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In-reply-to » @bender @thecanine well now this has me thinking abt the feasibility of making an android twtxt app for pods, the actual apis of pods would have to be standardized (or the fucked up way that activitypub does it, where the "mastodon api" is the defacto client api (does yarn even have an api reference?)) or the client is just simply..a client..but editing feeds via PUT, PATCH, DELETE etc. is standardized!...? (not to mention i dont even know where to begin making an android app lmao)

@zvava@twtxt.net And yes yarnd does have a well documented API and two clients (CLI and unmaintained Flutter App)

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In-reply-to » I asked ChatGPT what it knows about Twtxt 😂 And surprisingly it's rather accurate:

Timeline of Evolution of Twtxt/Yarn.social:

  • 2016 – Twtxt created by John Downey: plain text + HTTP = minimalist microblogging
  • 2017–2019 – Community builds CLI tools, but adoption remains niche
  • 2020 – Yarn.social launched by @prologic@twtxt.net with federation, threading, UI
  • 2021–2023 – Pods sync, user mentions, blocking, search, and media support added
  • 2024+ – Yarn.social becomes the reference Twtxt platform, with active federated pods

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In-reply-to » When will the flat UI craze end? Can I get my buttons, scrollbars, and toolbars back, please?

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Yeah, most of the graphical applications are actually KDE programs:

  • KMail – e-mail client
  • Okular – PDF viewer
  • Gwenview – image viewer
  • Dolphin – file browser
  • KWallet – password manager (I want to check out pass one day. The most annoying thing is that when I copy a password, it says that the password has been modified and asks me whether I want to save the changes. I never do, because the password is still the same. I don’t get it.)
  • KPatience – card game
  • Kdenlive – video editor
  • Kleopatra – certificate manager

Qt:

  • VLC – video player
  • Psi – Jabber client (I happily used Kopete in the past, but that is not supported anymore or so. I don’t remember.)
  • sqlitebrowser – SQLite browser

Gtk:

  • Firefox – web browser
  • Quod Libet – music player (I should look for a better alternative. Can’t remember why I had to move away from Amarok, was it dead? There was a fork Clementine or so, but I had to drop that for some unknown reason, too.)
  • Audacity – audio editor
  • GIMP – image editor

These are the things that are open right now or that I could think of. Most other stuff I actually do in the terminal.

In the past™, I used the Python KDE4 bindings. That was really nice. I could pass most stuff directly in the constructor and didn’t have to call gazillions of setters improving the experience significantly. If I ever wanted to do GUI programming again, I’d definitely go that route. There are also great Qt bindings for Python if one wanted to avoid the KDE stuff on top. The vast majority I do for myself, though, is either CLI or maybe TUI. A few web shit things, but no GUIs anymore. :-)

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In-reply-to » Today is an important day. We have a new extension: Direct message 🪇🗨️🚀🥳❤️ https://twtxt.dev/exts/direct-message.html #twtxt

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev Could you share (perhaps in the extension document) the private key for alice?

I want to compare that I can read the encrypted message both from OpenSSL CLI and from the PHP OpenSSL library, following the spec.

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i’ve been transitioning CLI text editors from nano (godforsaken editor) to micro (normal and not overly opinionated to the point where i feel like i’m defusing a bomb trying to learn its keybindings) and the only weird thing is that i can’t get it to persist an alias from nano to micro when i run sudo despite me configuring that. well at least on my servers, it persists on this machine. idk i’ll look at it later

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i’ve transitioned text editors from nano (yeah i know) to micro and god micro is just so much better i did not know there was a CLI text editor i could use with sensible keyboard shortcuts that did not leave me feeling like i’m typing nuclear codes to do simple tasks like saving and editing

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In-reply-to » Anyone thinking of trying our (or already are) the ATprotocok / BlueSky? 🤔

I think it’s centralized shit with lying about decentralization. All network is worked by two centralized things: plc.directory (did storage?) and network relay (bsky.network). You can host your relay but this require TOO MUCH resources (2TB storage and 32GB RAM read more ). Also i try running PDS and: 1. I can’t register account via app,only via cli 2. It leaked on 2GB virtual machine then killed by oom after trying to register account via cli

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In-reply-to » Righto, @eapl.me, ta for the writeup. Here we go. :-)

@eapl.me@eapl.me here are my replies (somewhat similar to Lyse’s and James’)

  1. Metadata in twts: Key=value is too complicated for non-hackers and hard to write by hand. So if there is a need then we should just use #NSFS or the alt-text file in markdown image syntax ![NSFW](url.to/image.jpg) if something is NSFW

  2. IDs besides datetime. When you edit a twt then you should preserve the datetime if location-based addressing should have any advantages over content-based addressing. If you change the timestamp the its a new post. Just like any other blog cms.

  3. Caching, Yes all good ideas, but that is more a task for the clients not the serving of the twtxt.txt files.

  4. Discovery: User-agent for discovery can become better. I’m working on a wrapper script in PHP, so you don’t need to go to Apaches log-files to see who fetches your feed. But for other Gemini and gopher you need to relay on something else. That could be using my webmentions for twtxt suggestion, or simply defining an email metadata field for letting a person know you follow their feed. Interesting read about why WebMetions might be a bad idea. Twtxt being much simple that a full featured IndieWeb sites, then a lot of the concerns does not apply here. But that’s the issue with any open inbox. This is hard to solve without some form of (centralized or community) spam moderation.

  5. Support more protocols besides http/s. Yes why not, if we can make clients that merge or diffident between the same feed server by multiples URLs

  6. Languages: If the need is big then make a separate feed. I don’t mind seeing stuff in other langues as it is low. You got translating tool if you need to know whats going on. And again when there is a need for easier switching between posting to several feeds, then it’s about building clients with a UI that makes it easy. No something that should takes up space in the format/protocol.

  7. Emojis: I’m not sure what this is about. Do you want to use emojis as avatar in CLI clients or it just about rendering emojis?

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In-reply-to » Yeah.. it is very similar to salty.im a smp is a relay queue for messages. You can self host one if you choose. They also have something called xftp for data storage and device state transfer. You can also self host one.

I think salty.im is simplest than simplex. But attempt to implement this i have problems than salty cli cant decrypt messages from another saltpack realization (and reverse) . Also simplex is more decentralized (like nostr?)

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In-reply-to » If we stuck with Blake2b for Twt Hash(es); what do we think we need to reasonably go to in bit length/size?

@prologic@twtxt.net I’m sure you can somehow install something that calculates blake2b on OpenBSD. But it’s not part of the base system as a standalone CLI tool, there only appear to be Perl modules for it. The other SHA tools do exist.

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In-reply-to » @eldersnake I wanted to ask you, are you running Headscale and WireGuard on the same VPS? I want to test Headscale, but currently run a small container with WireGuard, and I wonder if I need to stop (and eventually get rid of) the container to get Headscale going. Did you use the provided .deb to install Headscale, or some other method?

I ended up installing Headscale on my little VPS. Just in case the collide, I turned off WireGuard. Turning that one off (which ran on a container) also frees some memory. Headscale is running quite well! Indeed, I have struggled getting any web management console to work, but it really isn’t needed. Everything needed to commandeer the server is available through the CLI.

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Could someone knowledgable reply with the steps a grandpa will take to calculate the hash of a twtxt from the CLI, using out-of-the-box tools? I swear I read about it somewhere, but can’t find it.

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In-reply-to » On the Subject of Feed Identities; I propose the following:

@mckinley@twtxt.net To answer some of your questions:

Are SSH signatures standardized and are there robust software libraries that can handle them? We’ll need a library in at least Python and Go to provide verified feed support with the currently used clients.

We already have this. Ed25519 libraries exist for all major languages. Aside from using ssh-keygen -Y sign and ssh-keygen -Y verify, you can also use the salty CLI itself (https://git.mills.io/prologic/salty), and I’m sure there are other command-line tools that could be used too.

If we all implemented this, every twt hash would suddenly change and every conversation thread we’ve ever had would at least lose its opening post.

Yes. This would happen, so we’d have to make a decision around this, either a) a cut-off point or b) some way to progressively transition.

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In-reply-to » This tool, using age is pretty neat: https://github.com/ndavd/agevault. So simple, yet seemingly powerful!

@mckinley@twtxt.net agevault uses age, allegedly very secure (aiming to replace pgp/gpg). Comparing it with gocryptfs, from the user perspective, agevault seems simpler, though CLI exclusive. As the repository states, “Like age, it features no config options, allowing for a straightforward secure flow”. It would also run in all major OS platforms out of the box.

But agevault is also very new. Though age has been around for a while now, I don’t see an “audited” link (neither on agevault, nor age).

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@prologic@twtxt.net @movq@www.uninformativ.de this is the default behavior of pass on my machine:

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I add a new password entry named example and then type pass example. The password I chose, “test”, is displayed in cleartext. This is very bad default behavior. I don’t know about the other clis you both mentioned but I’ll check them out.

The browser plugin browserpass does the same kind of thing, though I have already removed it and I’m not going to reinstall it to make a movie. Next to each credential there’s an icon to copy the username to the clipboard, an icon to copy the password to the clipboard, and then an icon to view details, which shows you everything, including the password, in cleartext. The screencap in the Chrome store is out of date; it doesn’t show the offending link to show all details, which I know is there because I literally installed it today and played with it.

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so glad USB phone tethering exists. no way am I going to stumble through wpa_supplicant and wpa_cli to connect to coffeeshop wifi

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