@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt More or less 😂 At the moment it’s just a space to experiment

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev Wait, texudus is like compatible fork of twtxt?

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Make sure you’re up-todate with main 🤣 I’m fixing little things here and there. Also please report bugs 🐞

@prologic@twtxt.net awww poor thing!

@prologic@twtxt.net the other day! the feeds stuff seems to be fixed :)

@prologic@twtxt.net you got this!!!

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Have you rebuild from main recently? 🤔

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Yeah to avoid cutting off bits at the end making hashes end in either q or a 🤣

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz No no, it’s just barks at the slightest thing going on around the neighborhod 😃 like it just goes a bit nuts often 🤣 it was a rescue dog, two years old, and it wasn’t treated very well, a street dog. I think it’s just basically afraid of every human in the world 😢

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev Programming is art. You become good at art by practising your art. You learn artistic patterns by being inspired by and reading others art works. The most importance however is that you practise your art.

@bender@twtxt.net hi bender!!!!!!!!!! noooo i hope you can play diablo soon T__T i’m still trying to figure out what to do - i caught up on a manga but then got bored again!

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Indeed! 😍

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev

You need break the routine.

I haven’t really done that lately. 🤔 Maybe have another go at Rust (given its increasing importance in the Linux kernel)? Or Elixir, yes, I only had some very, very brief contact with it. 🤔

I just came across an old forum posting of mine about Prolog. That brought up some memories. Prolog is pretty alien, but I do miss stuff like that because it’s so different.

Just thinking out loud here. 😅

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz good day, bored girl! I just finished watching a “Black Mirror” episode, and I and also bored. I want to play Diablo IV, but now the TV is monopolised by wife. Cry, cry, cryyyyyyyy!

@prologic@twtxt.net see if there’s anything wrong! maybe the little critter needs more food or water or just some playtime :)

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev @eapl.me@eapl.me Still lots of bugs in my client. 🥴 I’ll try to fix it next week.

And yes, using the same timestamp twice will very likely break threads.

@javivf@adn.org.es You also cut from the front and not the back.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Really? 😅 Thank you!

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev Alright. 👍 Btw, your feed uses spaces instead of tabs. 😅

@javivf@adn.org.es Yes and still in review .

@movq@www.uninformativ.de ok, I have included a small modification in the documentation to allow you to reply in your own thread: https://texudus.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
You can see my reply: https://andros.dev/texudus.txt
Don’t delete anything and give me time to make my modifications to the client.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org You are of course right! 🤣 There are some low level components that can and should be unit tested for sure! 👌

@prologic@twtxt.net I also wore gloves, but after hours of demanding work, my shoulders and wrists were shattered. I hope I’m back to normal tomorrow. :-)

@prologic@twtxt.net To clarify, from my observations on how the system behaves, it feels like that. This doesn’t make it any better, I know. Sorry mate! I never claimed that testing is always easy, but in my experience it sure does help cutting down regressions. But to each their own, no worries. The diagram is all Greek to me. Anyway.

@bender@twtxt.net True.

@prologic@twtxt.net Give it a toy? I don’t know, don’t have any dogs. 😅

@prologic@twtxt.net genuinely the sickest shit i’ve ever seen webdev is saved

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz It is 😅

@bmallred@staystrong.run You mean ActivityPub + Twtxt? 🤔

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Ysy!!! 🙌🙌🙌

@bmallred@staystrong.run It really is 🤣

@prologic@twtxt.net I JUST SAW THIS POST WITHOUT RESTARTING WE ARE SO BACK

@bender@twtxt.net Bahahah 🤣😂 mate, me and one of my SRE colleagues actually came up with the terminology ourselves! 😛

@prologic@twtxt.net thank you so much, just did all of that! i’ll report back if i still need to restart <3

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Heh I have to wear gloves now when swining an axe or it hurts my hands 🤣

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz / @xuu@txt.sour.is Recommend you git checkout main && git pull, rebuild and redeploy: make build, and however you deploy. 🙏 Lots of fixes (no more stalling) and optimizations to the feed fetcher, smoother cpu usage, better internal metrics.

I’m not even being facetious here either. I’d llove to see you “unit tests” this:

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Well you are being slightly rude 🤪 Sure you could write unit tests for this, but in practise testing emergent properties and behaviors of a system is actually a lot harder than you might realize. But I’m happy to always be proven wrong 😑

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Indeed, a Wüstenmaus sounds cute. However, a Wüstenratte — which is more a desert rat — not so much.

@prologic@twtxt.net ODD, lol. I don’t wanna be rude, but this sounds more like Code And Fix.

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Yeah right now I’m trying to see if I can “spread the CPU usage of fetching N feeds across M duration” so basically “smooth” out the spikes in CPU usage.

@prologic@twtxt.net nice! lol that’s such a real way to develop

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz I’ve almost fixed this btw 🤗 Just testing it thoroughly and polihsing the code. In case you’re curious, I do this style of development called “Observability Driven Development” (ODD) whereby I make observations of the system via metrics and internal observations and adjust the system’s overall behavior to the desired outcome 😅

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz with the help of a friend i got to build a nixOS server image from scratch and use it on a VPS! so that was neat!

@movq@www.uninformativ.de LMAO the power of static pages!

@prologic@twtxt.net oh i see it! thank you so much! it’s no problem i totally understand :)

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev I set up a test feed here:

https://www.uninformativ.de/texudus.txt

I made some preliminary adjustments to my client so that it can work with the different threading model. (And I totally get the concerns, this can be quite a bit of work. Especially in a large code base like Yarn.)

@movq@www.uninformativ.de @kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz @quark@ferengi.one In 2014 one person created protocol ii. Later it forked in IDEC. Why i said this? Because it’s simple “federated” forum-like protocol where from your station fetch another every 5-10 minutes. Stations has topic-based channels like idec.talks, linux.16, haiku.os, zx.spectrum. In short it’s FIDO but.. more modern? Documentation: https://github.com/idec-net/new-docs (mostly Russian, but you can use translator, also protocol already translated to english)

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt nah, I’m fine without a web ui. But I like what the dev did with the 2009 facebook/VK look, it kind of feels notsalgic. (the tld is a .me not a .com if anyone else wants to take a look atit)

Hey @kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz If you see this, I’m aware of a bug. I’m trying to figure it out and fix it. bare with me 🤗 It is what’s causing things to “stall” and to have to “restart”. Sorry 😞

@bender@twtxt.net Mainly the bsd.cafe ones. I like how the minimalist single column profiles look. Image embeds are full width and reading through threads feels nice (as in it doesn’t feel like pealing layers upon layers of a fresh onion).

@bender@twtxt.net Yes, you right. But is premium for more than that.
I use a feature I love a lot: customising different searches with different themes or links.
It’s easy to understand with an example. I have a search with the name “Django”. I set sources: Django documentation, stack overflow, topic “programming” and so on. It’s very quick to find Django solutions.
I also have another way to find my stuff: search my blog and repositories.
I had problems paying for the first mouths, now it’s a working tool for me.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de If you want, we can try it out between us. I’m just working on it (It was the easiest thing to do).

@quark@ferengi.one I’ll translate “desert rat” as “Wüstenmaus”, which is kind of cute, and I’ll pretend that you just didn’t call your partner a rat. 😂

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Off-topic areas are always a good idea. :-) Web forums often had those. And web forums are actually what I had in mind, @bender@twtxt.net. 😅 (While I do have a certain nostalgia for it now, Usenet has always been a bit weird to me. Can’t really explain why.)

@quark@ferengi.one Despite the Reddit part (I never understood it), this is a great analysis. I could not have put it any better. I also feel quite home here with the all feeds I follow. It’s a small bunch of good people.

@bender@twtxt.net no such luck, not happening. It’s almost 04:00 in Brisbane, just wait a bit until the @prologic@twtxt.netal son awakens.

I wonder if this twtxt will kick Yarnd into working again. There is only one way to find out, right?

@movq@www.uninformativ.de not bad! The yellowish/ivory tint makes it much easier on the eyes. I have gotten so use to “dark” mode, that find it hard switching to anything else.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de mine too, mine too! Imagine my frustration being married to someone who prefers the heat. It’s like a polar bear married to a desert rat. LOL.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de “topic-based forums/groups”, you mean what USENET used to be, and the “niche” that Reddit is fulfilling these days? :-D I get it, I agree. I think I find twtxt more fulfilling than anything else because of its small size. I feel like I truly know everyone (even if that might not be true), and find myself “at home”. The bigger the place, the shyest I become, the less enticing it is.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de @bender@twtxt.net 28°C right now, but luckily, just 20°C tomorrow and rain. Even a thunderstorm at night. On Sunday we’re down to 12°C. What a ride. Oh boys!

@movq@www.uninformativ.de this is so real… i think we need to bring back topic focused groups but like with a little off topic side of things just in case people wanna go off topic. so the option’s there but the intent is the topic! microblogging isn’t best for this yeah. i think this is part of why IRC still goes strong for many tech people

@prologic@twtxt.net i gave up on trying to get my local branch clean and just git clone’d main into a new directory and built from there LMAOOO it was such a mess i’m not good at git

i saw your commits fixing queue issues, fingers crossed it works on my end!

@bender@twtxt.net It’s like having good manners at the table. Use forks and knives. ;-)

@movq@www.uninformativ.de This suits the background image perfectly.

@bender@twtxt.net Baaaaaah 😂

These are ideal working conditions:

https://movq.de/v/c0fb720543/server.mp4

@movq@www.uninformativ.de welcome to a (for us, Floridians) “fresh day” temperature! Soon the daily rains will come, so it will be even hotter, and humid, and sticky. Lovely, eh? LOL.

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev@andros@twtxt.andros.dev <3

@movq@www.uninformativ.de TYYYY

Confession:

I’ve never found microblogging like twtxt or the Fediverse or any other “modern” social media to be truly fulfilling/satisfying.

The reason is that it is focused so much on people. You follow this or that person, everybody spends time making a nice profile page, the posts are all very “ego-centric”. Seriously, it feels like everybody is on an ego-trip all the time (this is much worse on the Fediverse, not so much here on twtxt).

I miss the days of topic-based forums/groups. A Linux forum here, a forum about programming there, another one about a certain game. Stuff like that. That was really great – and it didn’t even suffer from the need to federate.

Sadly, most of these forums are dead now. Especially the nerds spend a lot of time on the Fediverse now and have abandoned forums almost completely.

On Mastodon, you can follow hashtags, which somewhat emulates a topic-based experience. But it’s not that great and the protocol isn’t meant to be used that way (just read the snac2 docs on this issue). And the concept of “likes” has eliminated lots of the actual user interaction. ☹️

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev You know, I’d really love to see how/if location-based addressing works in practice. I might fork jenny to judy and run both things in parallel for a while … 🤔

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org there are times that it works out to reply to the “flat” conversation, if it fully relates, or the participants are few, or if the strict topic is kept. When there are too many people, or too many topics being spit out, then forking constantly is the way to go. I am a strong proponent of forking. It’s like telling the rest, “you debate that there, I will take this one aside”.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Oooooohhhhhh, I see. Hmmmm.

To answer your question: Ideally, you would have replied directly to my reply. :-) The flat conversation model always felt unnatural to me. I just yielded to the community’s way of doing it.

@bender@twtxt.net Saw it this morning and I was like “say what now”. 😂 I certainly can’t beat that. 😂

(Also, cute name. The “-le” suffix is a German diminutive, so it means “little OS”. 😃)

@@twtxt.net The fact that it has an SDK and process management is quite amazing g! 🤯

This is up @movq@www.uninformativ.de ally, a tiny OS that runs in a boot sector. That’s, it’s only 510 bytes! But check it out, and see what it can do. Truly amazing. Can you beat that?!

I’ve just released version 1.0 of twtxt.el (the Emacs client), the stable and final version with the current extensions. I’ll let the community maintain it, if there are interested in using it. I will also be open to fix small bugs.
I don’t know if this twt is a goodbye or a see you later. Maybe I will never come back, or maybe I will post a new twt this afternoon. But it’s always important to be grateful. Thanks to @prologic@twtxt.net @movq@www.uninformativ.de @eapl.me@eapl.me @bender@twtxt.net @aelaraji@aelaraji.com @arne@uplegger.eu @david@collantes.us @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org @doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt @xuu@txt.sour.is @sorenpeter@darch.dk for everything you have taught me. I’ve learned a lot about #twtxt, HTTP and working in community. It has been a fantastic adventure!
What will become of me? I have created a twtxt fork called Texudus (https://texudus.readthedocs.io/). I want to continue learning on my own without the legacy limitations or technologies that implement twtxt. It’s not a replacement for any technology, it’s just my own little lab. I have also made a fork of my own client and will be focusing on it for a while. I don’t expect anyone to use it, but feedback is always welcome.
Best regards to everyone.
#twtxt #emacs #twtxt-el #texudus

@movq@www.uninformativ.de No problems 🤗

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Whoop, whoop! Congrats 🥳

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Kind of, but on the other hand: This twt right here refers to 3rvya6q and your feed, but your feed certainly does not include that particular twt (it comes from my feed).

But my proposal probably isn’t very helpful, either. We have this flat conversation model, so … this twt right here, what should it refer to? Your twt? My root twt? I don’t know.

@prologic@twtxt.net Don’t include this just yet. I need to think about this some more (or drop the idea).

@bender@twtxt.net Haha 🤣

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Please git pull and rebuild 😂 Off of main. I merged the catcher branch already!

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com Lol gts is so popular. But if choicing something with fancy web ui maybe Smithereen is best option. Example instance: https://friends.grishka.com

@bender@twtxt.net LMAOOO

@prologic@twtxt.net done! hey i got a question, you got any clue why my feeds aren’t updating? maybe it has to do with the new cache flag but i messed with that a bit and didn’t notice a difference. basically it’s like i have to manually restart yarnd to see new posts it’s really weird lol

@prologic@twtxt.net I can hear the moans of regret already. They are loud, and steady. 😅

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz @xuu@txt.sour.is Recommend you git checkout main && git pull && make build. Few bug fixes 😄

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com oh fuck yea snac would be a good use of that! makes me wanna do the same… GTS also has a new profile view for profiles that shows only images which makes it great as a photo posting place

@movq@www.uninformativ.de When I reply to a message, I typically already mention the feed. Just like in this very message. I believe this mechanism should work for most replies. But there are of course the odd responses where I do not mention the original feed, but rather some other feed(s) instead to which I actually want to reply. Maybe “forking”, as prologic calls it, would be the better option there.

@bender@twtxt.net You’re kind of right though 😄 It makes it more engaging IMO 😅

@prologic@twtxt.net hahahahaha! No, no, no. Every word has its use. But for things like these I like certain reactions. For example, I would have given a “thumbs down” to the original twtxt, and done with it. Now, composing a reply, to simply say “no, thank you.”, that I don’t like. It seems a waste of space, and it doesn’t “look good”. I like to see at least 140 characters! Ha!

@bender@twtxt.net I knew you wouldn’t be interested in a Twtxt+ActivityPub 😂 Now I have to go figure out what “monosyllabic replies” means 🤣

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Shall I add this to the spec I’m writing? ✍️

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com which snac instance did you see that looked pretty dope? On the ones I saw in the past, I found their web frontend to be rather messy (even more so on mobile).

@prologic@twtxt.net not me. I hate monosyllabic replies, specifically on the written medium, so I am just typing this to make it longer. But that doesn’t change the truth, and that is, I don’t want, nor care, about twtxt, and Activity Pub integration. 😅

After yarnd v0.16 is released and the next round of specification updates are done and dusted, who wants me to have another crack at building Twtxt and activity pub integration support?

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz That’s what I was going for at first, I already have my compose file to go up -d, but then I took a look at a couple of #Snac instances at the last second and they looked pretty dope! Now I’m stuck in my own head 😅

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com gotosocial is epic

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I think we can make this work 👌 As long as it’s just a client hint.

that said, and reading to @sorenpeter@darch.dk and @andros@twtxt.andros.dev I have new thoughts. I assume that this won’t change anyone’s opinions or priorities, so it makes no harm sharing them.

It’s always tempting to use something that already exists (like X, Masto, Bsky, etc.) rather that building anything through effort and disagreement until reaching to something useful and valuable together. A ‘social service’ is only useful if people is using it.

I’ll add that I haven’t lost interest on the ‘hacky’ part of twtxt about developing tools, protocols, and extensions as a community. It’s the appealing part! It’s a nice hobby to have, shared with random people across the world.
But this is not the right way for me, and makes me feel that I’m unwelcome to propose something different (after watching replies to my previous twt). Feels like “If you don’t agree, you are free to leave, we’ll miss you.” Naah, not cool. I’ve lived that many times before, and nowadays I don’t have enough spare time and energy for a hobby like that.

Let’s see what happens next with the micro-community!