@eapl.me@eapl.me Cool!

Proposal 3 (https://git.mills.io/yarnsocial/twtxt.dev/issues/18#issuecomment-19215) has the “advantage”, that you do not have to “mention” the original author if the thread slightly diverges. It seems to be a thing here that conversations are typically very flat instead of trees. Hence, and despite being a tree hugger, I voted for 3 being my favorite one, then 2, 1 and finally 4.

All proposals still need more work to clarify the details and edge cases in my opinion before they can be implemented.

@arne@uplegger.eu I AM THE KING OF AGE OF EMPIRES!!1elf 👑

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Using full-blown Cloud services is good for old people like me who don’t want to do on-call duty when a disk fails. 😂 I like sleep! 😂

Jokes aside, I like IaaS as a middle ground. There are IaaS hosters who allow you to spin up VMs as you wish and connect them in a network as you wish. You get direct access to all those Linux boxes and to a layer 2 network, so you can do all the fun networking stuff like BGP, VRRP, IPSec/Wireguard, whatever. And you never have to worry about failing disks, server racks getting full, cable management, all that. 😅

I’m confident that we will always need people who do bare-bones or “low-level” stuff instead of just click some Cloud service. I guess that smaller companies don’t use Cloud services very often (because it’s way too expensive for them).

@prologic@twtxt.net yesss ty for listening and engaging with my kpop nonsense it’s really beautiful!

@prologic@twtxt.net i have seen some posts on this! that’s definitely reassuring. i don’t know cloud stuff at all and don’t want to. servers forever….

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz UPDATE I DID IT!!!!!!! you will now see a cute anime girl that is behind the scenes testing if you are a bot or not in a matter of seconds before being redirected to the site :) https://superlove.sayitditto.net/

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz think i’ll wait and see if the caddy module proposal gets anywhere bc that sounds like it’d make my life easier lol

https://github.com/TecharoHQ/anubis/issues/16

@prologic@twtxt.net oh yeah it’s absolutely epic i love how fast it is. it would be extra peak if it sent a message to every bot that it denies access to that just says “get fucked” or something idk

@david@collantes.us You are right! I need to check this problem. Thank you very much!

Business trips / Off-Sites can be rather exhausting 😴

well, I assume by syntax you mean Gemtext (which I like a lot, my personal blog is built on top of it), so I think it might work for twtxt clients…

I knew of twtxt in Gemini Antenna, so at least the 2017 spec might work on that protocol. I think the main issue with extensions is that they weren’t designed with many URLs and protocols in mind.

Also I have to admit that the Gemini community significantly reduced in the last few years. I don’t know how worth it is to add support for Gemini now.

@bender@twtxt.net Yeah, as you mentioned in the other thread, @andros@twtxt.andros.dev’s hashes appear to be not quite right. 🤔

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz I guess we all whish we were jobless. Not moneyless, just jobless. 😅

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev Can you reproduce any of this outside of your client? I can’t spot a mistake here:

$ curl -sI 'http://movq.de/v/8684c7d264/.html%2Dindex%2Dthumb%2Dgimp11%2D1.png.jpg'
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Connection: keep-alive
Content-Length: 2615
Content-Type: image/jpeg
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2025 19:53:17 GMT
Last-Modified: Wed, 19 Mar 2025 17:34:08 GMT
Server: OpenBSD httpd

$ curl -sI 'https://movq.de/v/8684c7d264/gimp11%2D1.png'
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Connection: keep-alive
Content-Length: 131798
Content-Type: image/png
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2025 19:53:19 GMT
Last-Modified: Wed, 19 Mar 2025 17:18:07 GMT
Server: OpenBSD httpd

$ telnet movq.de 80
Trying 185.162.249.140...
Connected to movq.de.
Escape character is '^]'.
HEAD /v/8684c7d264/.html%2Dindex%2Dthumb%2Dgimp11%2D1.png.jpg HTTP/1.1
Host: movq.de
Connection: close

HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Connection: close
Content-Length: 2615
Content-Type: image/jpeg
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2025 19:53:31 GMT
Last-Modified: Wed, 19 Mar 2025 17:34:08 GMT
Server: OpenBSD httpd

Connection closed by foreign host.
$ 

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz i could build that myself but also i can’t because i don’t know code!!!!!!!!! her ass only knows ruby on rails!!!!!!!!!

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I have no doubt that you’re not seeing the images correctly 😀. It’s just that it’s broken when viewing them, in my case, and analyzing the URLs, I’ve seen everything I mentioned.
Regarding the hash, you’re right. I’ll have to investigate what’s going on. I’m having a hard time getting the hash generation to work properly.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de ancient……. i love old linux it’s so janky

@movq@www.uninformativ.de me being the one jobless bitch on here is not helping my case LOL

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev Hm, looks correct to me. The image to be displayed is a thumbnail and this links to the full-sized image. The thumbnail (JPG) is auto-generated from the full image (PNG), hence the two extensions.

What does look strange, though, is that your client came up with the hash pqsmcka, while it should have been te5quba. 🤔

@prologic@twtxt.net Can we add a table in twtxt.dev with features of each client?

• Is active?
  
• Extensions compatibility
  
• Language
  
• Multiaccount.
  
• Mutiuser
  And so on…

@movq@www.uninformativ.de The urls of the images are strange! My client crashes to display them, and when I tried some urls, I found a redirect. Ah! And the images had two extensions.

@eapl.me@eapl.me I agree. The syntax is weird inside Gemini and twtxt is made with the http protocol in mind and Gemini doesn’t work with some extensions.

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Asleep or at work, I guess. 😅

Timeline and twtxt-php, don’t support Gemini, only HTTP/S, as a design choice (although originally it was intended to work on Gemtext, it was a niche inside a niche, so it was discarded very soon).

At the moment of building the engine there weren’t many Gemini URLs supporting twtxt 1.1 (with twtxt.dev extensions).
Also User-Agent won’t work there, and many Gemini URLs are a mirror of the HTTP one, so I think is not strictly necessary.

my 2c

@prologic@twtxt.net NO

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz i’m just winging it with fail2ban and robots.txt tbh it’s a miracle the poor server hasn’t fallen over yet from the scrapers lol. like i run this whole thing off a macbook i’m not even joking https://superlove.sayitditto.net/

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org interesting! yeah i figured it was some parsing stuff going on

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz It’s there, but yarnd’s markdown library probably thinks that it’s some broken HTML and swallows it, not sure.

Image

@thecanine@twtxt.net Yeah, nobody will ever find that setting.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de ]:-> Ah, just that one line scrolls horizontally, not the entire screen.

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz nooo my little heart got dropped from the post

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev jenny can and, IIRC, Yarn also supports it. 🤔

What is twtxt for me? It is a community of users sharing plain text following a specification that can be readable by both humans and machines.

For some it is a microblogging platform, for others it is a social network, others see it as an enhanced RSS feed and a few consider it a hacker’s toy. I use it as a learning platform. And as collateral damage, I’m meeting some very interesting people.

And for you?

@prologic@twtxt.net

Chapter 7:

Chapter 8:

@movq@www.uninformativ.de nice!!! i wanna try snac it looks sooo fun

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Oh, yes, it’s probably going to be something like gotosocial or snac. It’s got to be as lightweight as possible. (I call this whole thing “Mastodon”, but you’re right, that’s not quite correct. 😅)

I have released new updates to the twtxt.el client.

• New feature: Notifications.
  
• Updated: Improved user interface for new posts.
  
• Updated: Documentation.
  
• Updated: Some UI elements and included information about shortcuts in each buffer.
  
• Minor fixes.
  Source code: https://codeberg.org/deadblackclover/twtxt-el
  In the next version: You will be able to send direct messages.
  Enjoy!
  #emacs #twtxt #twtxtel

@movq@www.uninformativ.de mastodon is probably the worst fedi software to self host tbh, you might wanna check out gotosocial? not to like pull you in another direction but idk masto is just suuuuper heavy lol

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Doing the devil’s work:

https://movq.de/v/b895c14411/los86-shell-cursor-history.mp4

Better than nothing. 😅

@thecanine@twtxt.net It suits your site very well, but I find this font hard to read. In any case, keep on pixeling.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Haha! Yeah, I really don’t know if that’s the best translation.

@xuu@txt.sour.is How’s traveling the stars going? :-)

@prologic@twtxt.net @andros@twtxt.andros.dev

more examples:

2020 Jan1 New Year's Day @yearly
2020 jan 3Mon Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr Day @yearly
2020 feb 3Mon President's Day @yearly
2020 may -1Mon Memorial Day @yearly
2020 jun19 Juneteenth @yearly
2020 jul1 Independence Day @yearly
2020 jul24 Pioneer Day @yearly
2020 sept 1Mon Labor Day @yearly
2020 oct 2Mon Columbus Day @yearly
2020 nov11 Veteran's Day @yearly
2020 nov 4Thur Thanksgiving Day @yearly
2020 dec25 Christmas Day @yearly

2025-01 Fri [ ] Take out Trash @weekly
2024-10-17 Thu [x] (A) Did this and that completed:2024-10-18
2025-10-18
	[ ] (A) Submit important papers
	[ ] (B) Work on +ProjectB
	- some note
2024-10-21 
	- some notes about things to remember for Monday
	[ ] Do that
[ ] Travel the stars

@prologic@twtxt.net Chapter 6:

@prologic@twtxt.net chapter 5:

@prologic@twtxt.net SUUUPER CATCHY it’s been stuck in my head all day

Bit of an update, there is now a general licence for all my stuff:

“Unless projects are accompanied by a different license, Creative Commons apply (“BY-NC-ND” for all art featuring the Canine mascot and “BY-NC” for everything else).”

It’s even included on my website, where most of the demand for a clear licence originated from:

In practice this changes nothing, as I was never enforcing anything more than this anyway and given permission for other use too. Now it’s just official that this is the baseline, of what can be done, without having to ask for permission first.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Ha, “imps”, when I read imps, I think of these guys: https://dungeonkeeper.fandom.com/wiki/Imp 😂

@prologic@twtxt.net I created a script for your book. i have only done the first two chapters. have to do some adjustments to the text so it sounds ok and that takes time..

https://git.sour.is/xuu/piper

@movq@www.uninformativ.de :-D

In the meantime, I tried to add English subtitles, so the international audience has a chance of enjoying some of them, too. There are a bunch of puns, so translations don’t work at that great.

I went to an exhibition of my fine arts teacher who passed away last year. He was a pretty cool dude and good teacher. I reckon I had him in 7th and probably also 8th grade. His Schelme (imps) were very famous here in this county and presumably well beyond.

Unfortunately, picture frame glas doesn’t mix all that great with a fairly dark light and my camera. So, sorry in adavance for the poor quality. Anyway, I photographed a few funny paintings. Watch out, it may contain saucy contents: https://lyse.isobeef.org/siegfried-wagner-farrenstall-2025-03-15/.

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz this is how i find out the videos are capped at a minute

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org „Kann … enthalten“? 🤣 Ein Schelm, dieser Schelm.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Hahaha, nice! :-D I had to check the solution to get it. It’s a good one.

@prologic@twtxt.net LSAgIFE6IFdoYXQgZG9lcyBhIGhlbiBkbz8KLSAgIEE6IEl0IGxheXMgZWdncy4K 😅

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz this is also why most of my sites are pink

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org That is pretty impressive indeed. 😳

@prologic@twtxt.net @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Time to win the lottery already! Damn, how hard can it be. 😂

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz I know her from iZombie, which is also pretty good. 😅 Have it on DVD, even.

@xuu@txt.sour.is Yeah looks like an edge case. Because of the way he announces his preferred nick in the feed the “Reply” button spits out @eapl.me@eapl.me@eapl.me for me, which then gets eaten as two mentions, probably matching twice against my following list?

@prologic@twtxt.net how come when you reply to eapl.me it doubles up? bug?

@eapl.me@eapl.me@eapl.me@eapl.me I replied in the fork, but essentially there’s no reason we can’t support two different models here. We already do this anyway with numerous single-user, single hosted and managed feeds + a bunch of multi-user yarnd pods that form a “distributed network”.

My twtxt feed is now also available at gemini://roccodrom.de/twtxt.txt

I’d like to know more about what andros and prologic are talking about, I feel lost.

“This will be managed by Registries.” Are we talking about these registries?
https://twtxt.readthedocs.io/en/latest/user/registry.html

@prologic@twtxt.net thank you! no clue what’s causing it for me but it’s probably something stupid

@movq@www.uninformativ.de rose mciver!!!!!!! i know her from power rangers lol

@movq@www.uninformativ.de @prologic@twtxt.net Dito. Even though I only had four day weeks and three days of weekend the last month, I feel very exhausted as well. Back to five days next week. :-(

@movq@www.uninformativ.de That’s cool! I just can’t justify the amount of space it permanently takes. But it fits nicely with the other gauges you have. And with that in mind, it actually is super tiny.

@eapl.me@eapl.me Interesting, I wasn’t aware that other parts of the world consider them to be a German thing :-)

@prologic@twtxt.net yes! Of course. However give me some time, I want to define a small proposal for the Registry (v2?)

@arne@uplegger.eu Das ist ein recht zuverlässiger Wetterbericht. Wenn die Bauern mit ihren Güllefässern hier vorbeifahren, weiß ich sofort, dass Regen angekündigt ist. :-)

Ha, das Lied gefällt mir außerordentlich gut! \o/ Mit Abstand das beste Güllelied. Ich kenn noch ein paar schwäbische, aber die gehen lang nicht so ab wie dieses hier.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Ah, yes, a calendar that shows the past $x months is great! I have this as a widget in my bar:

Image

Before that I also used something like cal. It works, but it’s a bit cumbersome.

@eapl.me@eapl.me @bender@twtxt.net @prologic@twtxt.net Not including a photo was a stupid move, sorry. There you go:

Image

This particular one is 95mm wide and 185mm high. Fairly compact.

I can only use it figure out distances to other dates and to do some basic calendar math. I’m not able to actually schedule anything. But I grew up with a month calendar like you have there where all appointments of the entire family was recorded.

By far most of my paper use is drawing random stuff on scratch paper during meetings. :-D

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@arne@uplegger.eu Ah, witzige Geschichte! Ich fürchte, der Eberhardt wird sich nun bei mir auch festsetzen. ;-)

@prologic@twtxt.net @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org I like to listen to you.

@prologic@twtxt.net If it develops, and I’m not saying it will happen soon, perhaps Yarn could be connected as an additional node. Implementation would not be difficult for any client or software. It will not only be a backup of twtxt, but it will be the source for search, discovery and network health.

I’m sharing a short tutorial, in Spanish, for self-hosting #twtxt with Docker:
https://programadorwebvalencia.com/twtxt-desplegar-tu-feed-con-docker/

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Nein nein, nichts plattdeutsches. “Eberhardt Eichhörnchen” ist eine nette Alliteration und kommt aus einem Urlaub von vor ein paar Jahren. Auf dem Campingplatz gab es ein Eichhörnchen und der Eberhardt war durch eine Handwerkerwerbung präsent.

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev If something fits in a CSV file, it typically doesn’t require a database. I agree with that. Depending on the application, more complicated queries might benefit from a database, though. I don’t know awk very well, but I could imagine that grep, sed and cut reach their CSV processing limits rather quickly when you have to deal with escaped (multiline) fields.

I only very rarely have to deal with CSV files or databases in my day to day life. Maybe, these classic Unix tools offer some tricks I’m not aware of. When I have some more complicated CSV input, I generally reach for Python.

@eapl.me@eapl.me @arne@uplegger.eu @andros@twtxt.andros.dev Thanks mates!

Hmmm, Eberhardt. Ist das eine plattdeutsche Sache? Dass ich den flinken Nagern so lang zuschauen konnte, war ein seltener Glücksfall. Normalerweise sind die nach fünf oder spätestens zehn Minuten wieder aus dem Sichtfeld verschwunden.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Yeah, horizontal scrolling is an invention right from the devil himself. :-D It’s awful, I can’t stand it.

pls elaborate on a ‘p2p database’, ‘all story’ and ‘Registries’.

My first thought takes me to something like secure-scuttlebutt which it’s painful to sync data using clients, and too slow compared to downloading a text file.

Also I’d like for twtxt to avoid becoming an ActivityPub. Works well but it’s uses too many resources IMO.
https://kingant.net/2025/02/mastodon-the-cost-of-running-my-own-server/

I’m defending being able to self-host your Web client (like you’d do with a Wordpress, twtxt is a micrologging, at the end), instead of federated instances, so in a first thought I’d say Registries have many disadvantages being the first one that someone has to maintain them active.

What does the #twtxt community think about having a p2p database to store all history? This will be managed by Registries.

@prologic@twtxt.net We often turn to a database when we can use a plain text file, such as a CSV. With sed or awk, you can run simple queries without using a database.
Did I get the context right? 😀

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Bei mir heißen Eichhörnchen immer “Eberhardt” (unisex). Den Tierchen könnte ich stundenlang zuschauen.
Trotz “Zoomschwäche”: Tolle Bilder.

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com not sure but i will check when i can! git status is a good idea yeah

I’d need to think about it deeply, but at a first sight, nanoblogging would be a simple text (like the original twtxt spec, aimed for TUIs), and microblogging (like Twitter was a few years ago), would be about sharing texts, images, videos, GIFs, links, and perhaps Markdown styling.

Why? You have shorter messages than in a blog, but you may add almost anything you could do in a blog.
Buuut… who knows?

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com I cannot tell you either. I don’t know the difference. :-)

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com That’s nice, enjoy it while it lasts! Rain can be something wonderful. Stay safe.

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com That’s how twtxt started: As microblogging. Yarn shifted up some gears and now it’s more like social media – more powerful, but a bit different. 😅

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz @prologic@twtxt.net When I make dev on current master, I get a proper version. Same with make server. Assuming you cloned the repo, do you have any (uncommited) changes? What does git status tell you?

Of course, @bender@twtxt.net, anytime! As our number one bug finder, your service has to be rewarded. :-)

twtxt is a decentralised, minimalist microblogging service for hackers.

The keyword here is microblogging. But it doesn’t feel like we’ve been (relatively speaking) doing much of that lately… maybe I go the concept of microblogging wrong.

@prologic@twtxt.net make server actually because i don’t need the client on my server, also i run make deps before just in case lol

@prologic@twtxt.net HIII MISSED YALL

@prologic@twtxt.net huh interesting! yeah i was stumped for a bit i was like WHAT config.json file are these logs talking about…. but then it worked after i moved the old meta.json file lol!

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz it was like…. meta.json was corrupt or well it was empty actually whatever idk. ended up moving that elsewhere temporarily, rebuilding the binary, restarting server… and it worked?!?!? shit was confusing

@prologic@twtxt.net oops, I’m sorry to see disagreement leading to draining emotions.

It remind me a bit of the Conclave movie where every part wanted to defend their vision and there is only a winner. If one wins the other loses. Like the political side of many leaders and volunteers representing a broad community. I don’t think that’s the case here. Most of us (in not all) should ‘win’.

I can only add that isn’t nice to listen that ‘my idea and effort’ is not what the rest of the people expect. I personally have a kind of issue with public rejection, but I also like to argue, discuss and even fight a bit. “A gem cannot be polished without friction, nor a man perfected without trials,” they say.
This exercise and belonging to this community also brings me good feelings of smart people trying to solve a human and technical problem, which is insanely difficult to get ‘right’.

I genuinely hope we can understand each other, and even with our different and respectful thoughts on the same thing, we might reach an agreement on what’s the best for most people.

Good vibes to everyone!

#testing @ Hi Bob, nice to meet you!

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org deeply honored to be used as an example, when illustrating things that will break! :-D <3

Why not just use registry? It can be personal or hosted by someone like registry.twtxt.org. Just need to be adapt to support hashes

If we don’t keep insisting on simplify and “The beauty of twtxt is, you put one file on your server, done. One.”, then people should just use ActivityPub-based software like Mastodon, PixelFed, etc. which are getting a lot of attention and uses migrating to the fediverse from meta/x here in Denmark over the last couple of months.

@prologic@twtxt.net We can’t agree on this idea because that makes things even more complicated than it already is today. The beauty of twtxt is, you put one file on your server, done. One. Not five million. Granted, there might be archive feeds, so it might be already a bit more, but still faaaaaaar less than one file per message.

Also, you would need to host not your own hash files, but everybody else’s as well you follow. Otherwise, what is that supposed to achieve? If people are already following my feed, they know what hashes I have, so this is to no use of them (unless they want to look up a message from an archive feed and don’t process them). But the far more common scenario is that an unknown hash originates from a feed that they have not subscribed to.

Additionally, yarnd’s URL schema would then also break, because https://twtxt.net/twt/<hash> now becomes https://twtxt.net/user/prologic/<hash>, https://twtxt.net/user/bender/<hash> and so on. To me, that looks like you would only get hashes if they belonged to this particular user. Of course, you could define rules that if there is a /user/ part in the path, then use a different URL, but this complicates things even more.

Sorry, I don’t like that idea.