👋 Hello @nigergibe@anthony.buc.ci, welcome to Buccipod, a Yarn.social Pod! To get started you may want to check out the pod’s Discover feed to find users to follow and interact with. To follow new users, use the ⨁ Follow button on their profile page or use the Follow form and enter a Twtxt URL. You may also find other feeds of interest via Feeds. Welcome! 🤗

Thanks @prologic@twtxt.net! I like the way Yarn.social is making all of twtxt stronger, not just Yarn.social pods.

👋 Okay folks, let’s startup the Yarn.social calls again.

• Event: Yarn.social Online Meetup
  
• When: 25th May 2024 at 12:00pm UTC (midday)
  
• Where: Mills Meet : Yarn.social
  
• Cadence: 4th Saturday of every Month
  

Agenda:

Anything we want to talk about. Twtxt, Yarn, self hosting, cool stuff you’ve been working on. chit-chat, whatever 😅

#Yarn.social #Meetup

I’ve been thinking of how to notify someone else that you’ve replied to their twts.

Is there something already developed, for example on yarn.social?

Let’s say I want to notify https://sour.is/tiktok/America/Denver.txt that I’ve replied to some twt. They don’t follow me back, so they won’t see my reply.

I would send my URL to, could be, https://sour.is/tiktok/replies?url=MY_URL and they’ll check that I have a reply to some of their twts, and could decide to follow me back (after seeing my twtxt profile to avoid spam)

Another option could be having a metadata like
follow-request=https://sour.is/tiktok/America/Denver.txt TIMESTAMP_IN_SECONDS
that the other client has to look for, to ensure that the request comes from that URL (again, to avoid spam)
This could be deleted after the other .txt has your URL in the follow list, or auto-expire after X days to clean-up old requests.

What do you think?

I added the Yarn Desktop Client and Goovy Twtxt to the landing page for Yarn.social

cc @mckinley@twtxt.net @stigatle@yarn.stigatle.no

I’ve been thinking in the back of my mind for a while now, that the Yarn.social / twtxt + ActivityPub integration was a mistake and a. bad idea. I’m starting to consider it a complete failure.

I mean I could run my own yarn.social pod and of course achieve that

@xuu@txt.sour.is @prologic@twtxt.net Yarn.social without threading (as it would be the case in a “truncated” feed) does not make sense to me.

Put another way: Yarn.social is not twtxt. The content that we all have in our feeds really is much closer to a web forum or usenet or whatever. It’s threaded conversations. twtxt, as I believe it was originally intended, are short little status updates – that’s it. The formats of Yarn.social and twtxt might be very similar, but the content is vastly different and, in a way, incompatible. (As such, I think I understand very well that the original twtxt crowd is disgruntled.)

That proposed truncated feed doesn’t really provide any value, if you ask me. 🤔 It’d just be chaotic.

💡 Quick ‘n Dirty prototype Yarn.social protocol/spec:

If we were to decide to write a new spec/protocol, what would it look like?

Here’s my rough draft (back of paper napkin idea):

• Feeds are JSON file(s) fetchable by standard HTTP clients over TLS
  
• WebFinger is used at the root of a user’s domain (or multi-user) lookup. e.g: prologic@mills.io -> https://yarn.mills.io/~prologic.json
  
• Feeds contain similar metadata that we’re familiar with: Nick, Avatar, Description, etc
  
• Feed items are signed with a ED25519 private key. That is all “posts” are cryptographically signed.
  
• Feed items continue to use content-addressing, but use the full Blake2b Base64 encoded hash.
  
• Edited feed items produce an “Edited” item so that clients can easily follow Edits.
  
• Deleted feed items produced a “Deleted” item so that clients can easily delete cached items.
  

#Yarn.social #Protocol #Ideas

👋 Hey y’all yarners 🤗 – @darch@neotxt.dk and I have been discussing in our Weekly Yarn.social call (still ongoing… come join us! 🙏) about the experimental Yarn.social <-> Activity Pub integration/bridge I’ve been working on… And mostly whether it’s even a good idea at al, and if we should continue or not?

There are still some outstanding issues that would need to be improved if we continued this regardless

Some thoughts being discussed:

• Yarn.social pods are more of a “family”, where you invite people into your “home” or “community”
  
• Opening up to the “Fedivise” is potentially “uncontrolled”
  
• Even at a small scale (a tiny dev pod) we see activities from servers never interacted with before
  
• The possibility of abuse (because basically anything can POST things to your Pod now)
  
• Pull vs. Push model polarising models/views which whilst in theory can be made to work, should they?
  

Go! 👏

So who currently is running main or edge of Yarn.social’s yarnd on their pod and has activitypub and webfinger enabled? 🤔

I’ll be available on video for the next couple of hours, if anyone wants to join:

https://meet.mills.io/call/Yarn.social

📣 Update on Activity Pub: Just a quick update on the Yarn.social <-> Activity Pub (aka Mastodon and others):

• Can follow other Activity Pub actors ✅
  
• Can be followed by other Activity Pub actors ✅
  
• Your posts can be seen by Activity Pub actors ✅
  
• You can see posts from Activity Pub actors ✅
  

What does not yet work:

• Translating replies (aka threading) ❌

Need some help with Yarn.social’s integration with Activity Pub – Specifically it appears that Mastoon servers don’t like what I’m doing somewhere 😅 Anyone able to help? 🤔

I’m online at https://meet.mills.io/call/Yarn.social if anyone wants to join 👌

@prologic@twtxt.net On the one hand, twtxt has become more popular thanks to Yarn.social. On the other hand, subject and hashtag extensions took away the simplicity of the protocol. For example, it is impossible to understand which conversation (#base32hash) a tweet refers to or to reply to a tweet without going to a yarn.social pod. Compare with re: in this tweet which can be written without using any client at all

@tkanos@twtxt.net user in question had posted information about someones employment in what appeared to be a threat to contact their boss. Maybe it was in jest.. but we felt it was a form of doxing that we do not wish to see within our community. Yarn.Social is first and foremost a town square of ideas and should be viewed as a safe place for all.

@tkanos@twtxt.net user in question had posted information about someones employment in what appeared to be a threat to contact their boss. Maybe it was in jest.. but we felt it was a form of doxing that we do not wish to see within our community. Yarn.Social is first and foremost a town square of ideas and should be viewed as a safe place for all.

@jlj@twt.nfld.uk @xuu@txt.sour.is hello! @prologic@twtxt.net and I were chatting about the question of globally deleting twts from the yarn.social network. @prologic@twtxt.net noted that he could build the tools and endpoints to delete twts, but some amount of cooperation from pod operators would be necessary to make it all work together. He asked me to spawn a discussion of the subject here, so here we are!

I don’t have enough technical knowledge of yarn.social to say with any credibility how it all should work, but I can say that I think it ought to be possible and it’d be good to do for those rare times when it’s needed.

@abucci@anthony.buc.ci Do you happen to use Signal btw? 🤔 If you do, it would be great if you could join the Yarn.social Signal Group (_at least until we have Group support and better apps for Salty.im 😅)

@akoizumi@social.kyoko-project.wer.ee We were talking about having links on the yarn.social page for some guide on how to setup jenny + mutt

@prologic@twtxt.net There is also a link to the blog post on the yarn.social site about how to setup jenny with mutt.

@movq@uninformativ.de There might not even be any benefit to moving that to yarn.social. Besides the yarn site should promote using yarn not twtxt even though there is a little bit of information on the site.

Huh… Nope.

HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Content-Length: 407
Content-Type: text/calendar
Access-Control-Allow-Origin: *
Access-Control-Expose-Headers: ETag
Permissions-Policy: interest-cohort=()
Content-Security-Policy: default-src 'none'; sandbox
Referrer-Policy: same-origin
Vary: Authorization


BEGIN:VCALENDAR
VERSION:2.0;2.0
PRODID:SandCal
CALSCALE:GREGORIAN
BEGIN:VEVENT
DTSTAMP:20220822T180903Z
UID:bb63bfbd-623e-4805-b11b-3181d96375e6
DTSTART;TZID=America/Chicago:20220827T000000
CREATED:20220822T180903Z
LAST-MODIFIED:20220822T180903Z
LOCATION:https://meet.jit.si/Yarn.social
SUMMARY:Yarn Call
RRULE:FREQ=WEEKLY
DTEND;TZID=America/Chicago:20220827T010000
END:VEVENT
END:VCALENDAR

Huh… Nope.

HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Content-Length: 407
Content-Type: text/calendar
Access-Control-Allow-Origin: *
Access-Control-Expose-Headers: ETag
Permissions-Policy: interest-cohort=()
Content-Security-Policy: default-src 'none'; sandbox
Referrer-Policy: same-origin
Vary: Authorization


BEGIN:VCALENDAR
VERSION:2.0;2.0
PRODID:SandCal
CALSCALE:GREGORIAN
BEGIN:VEVENT
DTSTAMP:20220822T180903Z
UID:bb63bfbd-623e-4805-b11b-3181d96375e6
DTSTART;TZID=America/Chicago:20220827T000000
CREATED:20220822T180903Z
LAST-MODIFIED:20220822T180903Z
LOCATION:https://meet.jit.si/Yarn.social
SUMMARY:Yarn Call
RRULE:FREQ=WEEKLY
DTEND;TZID=America/Chicago:20220827T010000
END:VEVENT
END:VCALENDAR

👋 Hello @burglar@txt.sour.is, welcome to txt.sour.is, a Yarn.social Pod! To get started you may want to check out the pod’s Discover feed to find users to follow and interact with. To follow new users, use the ⨁ Follow button on their profile page or use the Follow form and enter a Twtxt URL. You may also find other feeds of interest via Feeds. Welcome! 🤗

👋 Hello @burglar@txt.sour.is, welcome to txt.sour.is, a Yarn.social Pod! To get started you may want to check out the pod’s Discover feed to find users to follow and interact with. To follow new users, use the ⨁ Follow button on their profile page or use the Follow form and enter a Twtxt URL. You may also find other feeds of interest via Feeds. Welcome! 🤗

@prologic@twtxt.net on yarn.social I cannot see the link for the list of pods

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@chronolink@chrono.tilde.cafe Replies are not part of the original twtxt format. They were added later as an extension by Yarn.social: https://dev.twtxt.net/doc/twtsubjectextension.html (only the section “Machine-Parsable Conversation Grouping” is used these days)

@benk@kwiecien.us https://yarn.social/ has support for fetching feeds over gemini since a few minutes back! Not serving them there that I know of, but that’s just a matter of pointing your gemini server to the twtxt.txt file.

@tamer@twtxt.net We’re not trying to compete with anything… If you’ve read About Yarn.social – In a nutshell I want to create an open, transparent social platform that respect’s folks privacy and freedoms. It must also be easy to use and down-to-earth where human interactions actually matter. None of this rubbish of manipulating what you see, driving up engagement numbers to serve your advertisers and all that garbage

James Mills - Future of Yarn.social

JavaScript : web apps

wut?! 😳 seriously?! 🤦‍♂️

Python : small tools

Okay 👌

Go: micro services

Umm bad generalization 🤣 – Example yarnd that powers most of Yarn.social 😂

Java: enterprise software

Yes! Oh gawd yes! 🤣 And Java™ needs to die a swift death!

C: crimes

Hmmm? 🤔 I feel this one is going to have some backslash and/or go the way of “Hacker” being misconstrued to mean entirely different/incorrect things as is what’s happening in the media (for various definitions of “media”).

🤔 👋 Reconsidering moving Yarn.social’s development back to Github: Speaking of which (I do not forget); @fastidious@arrakis.netbros.com and I were discussing over a video call two nights ago, as well as @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org who joined a bit later, about the the whole moved of all of my projects and their source code off of Github. Whilst some folks do understand and appreciate my utter disgust over what Microsoft and Copilot did by blatantly scraping open source software’s codebases without even so much as any attempt at attribution or respecting the licenes of many (if not all?) open source projects.

That being said however, @fastidious@arrakis.netbros.com makes a very good and valid argument for putting Yarn.social’s codebases, repositories and issues back on Github for reasons that make me “torn” over my own sense of morality and ethics.

But I can live with this as long as I continue to run and operate my new (yet to be off the ground) company “Self Hosted Pty Ltd” and where it operates it’s own code hosting, servicesa, tools, etc.

Plese comment here on your thoughts. Let us decide togetehr 🤗

#yarnsocial #github #opsnsource #copilot #microsoft

Btw… You guys have gotta start posting more pictures/videos a bit more regularly 😂 Every time I show Yarn.social off to a friend to “sell” them the platform and get them off their privacy eroding garbage Facebook/Twitter/etc) The no. #1 question I get asked is:

Oh is this only comments/text

🤣 Let’s show off the platform as a whole a bit eh? 😅

Hmmm so… We seem to have a few pods offline in the network 😂 Also 😢

• @jlj@twt.nfld.uk’s twt.nfld.uk => 504 Gateway Time-out
  
• @adi@f.adi.onl’s f.adi.onl => 200 OK but doens’t appear to be a pod anymore?! 🤔
  
• @eldersnake@yarn.andrewjvpowell.com’s personal pod => offline due to lack of Solar/Battery power? 😅
  
• @lohn@tw.lohn.in’s personal pod => 503 Service Unavailable
  

It’s a bad day for Yarn.social 🤣

Good thing it’s all decentralised 😉

I keep going back ‘n’ forth on whether to experiment with Pleroma on my Pi. :-) A Tildes post on the sad news that Feneas is struggling has rekindled the fire, oddly. I just like knowing, first-hand, what’s involved in running these services; I feel it makes me a better yarn.social advocate. ^⨰^