↳ In-reply-to » The problem isn't with NodeJS or NPM, it's the developers that are so willing to use horrible frameworks/libraries/tooling that is just simply not needed. NodeJS gives you so much out of the box, and NPM is simply a place to store your packages. With Deno, you won't even need a package manager as it takes a step closer to go modules approach.

Your primary arguments is basisally “frameworks” and I completely agree! 💯 I like Go a lot because the culture and ecosystem tends to encourage libraries over frameworks and standard library over external dependencies 👌

One thing we’ve talked about in the past is this ridiculous culture in the NPM (note I’m deliberately not mentioning JavaScript or NodeJS here) of packaging the tiniest / stupidest things as a “library”

This is how (I think) you end up with 10k dependencies 🤣