@bender@twtxt.net Now thatâs an interesting philosophical viewpoint right there. But this assumes that the âAIâ we seemingly have available to us today is actually telligent, understands and has cognitive reasoning. It does not. All of these LLM models from big-tech companies like Anthropic, OpenAI, Google, Microsoft, Meta and Alibaba are all just very powerful, very large multidimensional neural networks with attention that are very good at statistical probabilities of âwhat comes nextâ. I think we get really upset over the wrong things sometimes. We need to continue to be upset that these đ€Ź companies have basically destroyed any meaningful value of the concept of Copyright and Intellectual Property and Works of art. The so-called âAIâ we have today is just a tool. Can you say for certain that the typewriter and the computer ruined our ability to write? Perhaps yes, but we still learn how to do so, likewise, I still think that learning to write code, research, read and write are all valuable skills to learn. Later on once you have the basics, you can defer some of the âtediousâ work to these models, because frankly, theyâre far better at inferencing and pattern matching than you or i will ever be, not because theyâre better at pattern-matching per se, but because they have been trained on a very large corpus and they are much much faster at doing the same basic things we are far superior at.
Of course, @movq@www.uninformativ.de! Most of my points are also included in your list.
First of all, programming is what I really do enjoy the most. So, it doesnât make any sense at all to not do this anymore. âBut you could use your now free time to do something much cooler and more valuable!â, others might reply. Fuck no, I donât want to waste my time with other shit that doesnât fulfill me, why on earth would I want to do that?
All this hallucination reduces quality badly. In my experience, itâs also happening much more rapidly than I expected. Even though developers are still supposed to own and understand whatever has been generated under their name and even be responsible for that, the sad reality is that teammates often blindly trust the AI output. âBut I asked the AI and it told me that $this was impossibleâ, âIâve no idea either, but the AI just generated itâ are responses I get more often. What really makes my angry is when I point out a flaw and suggest an alternative and this is the reaction. It happened several times that just trying it out and seeing it clearly work to proof my point only took me half a minute, but people still did something handwavy else instead.
The learning effect is drastically reduced. The more time I spend on a topic, the better the odds that whatever I learned actually makes it over into long-term memory. Itâs like if a collegue just says âdo it like thatâ or âthis solves your problemâ, but neither explains the why or how. Somehow, people are still convinced that itâs a completely different story when you replace the human counterpart with a computer program in this equation.
Skills are unlearned. Itâs like with automation in general, just much worse. You end up in a state where youâve no clue how anything works under the hood or how to actually find out important information that are needed to solve your problem. Youâre screwed when a process breaks out of the blue. Even though it can become also rather terrible, with classical automation youâre typically still be able to decipher how exactly the thing was supposed to do something.
The energy consumption is sooo high, I absolutely do not want to be a part in burning down our planet. Iâm sure I find (and probably have long found without knowing) other ways to contribute to worsen our climate crisis.
The scraper part is already covered in detail in your list. :-)
Iâm convinced that license and copyright violations are only played down or even refused entirely because companies want to make big money quickly. With the work of others of course. Their double standards are obvious, they still try to actively keep their own stuff secret and out of any training sets. At most for internal use only. Virtually noone in charge is interested in good long-term solutions. Short-term for the win, when disaster eventually strikes, the causers are long gone, the responsibilities in other hands.
Vendor lock-in is something that lots of folks are only realizing very slowly. Itâs completely crazy to me. This drug dealer routine should be well-known by now. Itâs fucking everywhere. Yet, people are always surprised when they found themselves caught in it.
Adding new AI stuff only increases complexity. But complexity is the enemy that everybody should fear and reduce as much as possible. Of course, this is not limited to AI at all. And everywhere I look around, people in charge looooove to make things way more complicated than they ever need to be. Yet, simplicity is the real art and much harder to achieve.
I donât understand why we have to go back full force to the ambiguity of natural languages. This alone should be more than enough to realize what a stupid idea all that is. Linked to that is that the âinstruction setâ is interpreted differently with newer model versions. I mean, is has to be. Why else would somebody want to upgrade in the first place than to get more Powerfulâą Featuresâą?
Some people argue that with AI the democratization is empowered. However, in my view, the exact opposite is the case. Models are getting so large that you can basically not run them locally or even train them. So, you have to rely on whatever the vendor offers you and runs for you. In the end, this only gives the owners more power, the multi billionaires. Not exactly what I understand by democratization.
Finally, technology assessments are missing completely. Or they are faked such that mostly only the (questionable) benefits are listed. But all the negative impact is just ignored.
Letâs keep some popcorn around for when this all explodes. :-)
@itsericwoodward@itsericwoodward.com Nice to see someone else also participating! đ„ł
(Btw, they donât want us to share our inputs: https://www.reddit.com/r/adventofcode/wiki/faqs/copyright/inputs/ Yeah, itâs a bit annoying. I also have to do quite a bit of filtering on my repo âŠ)
@prologic@twtxt.net Letâs go through it one by one. Hereâs a wall of text that took me over 1.5 hours to write.
The criticism of AI as untrustworthy is a problem of misapplication, not capability.This section says AI should not be treated as an authority. This is actually just what I said, except the AI phrased/framed it like it was a counter-argument.
The AI also said that users must develop âAI literacyâ, again phrasing/framing it like a counter-argument. Well, that is also just what I said. I said you should treat AI output like a random blog and you should verify the sources, yadda yadda. That is âAI literacyâ, isnât it?
My text went one step further, though: I said that when you take this requirement of âAI literacyâ into account, you basically end up with a fancy search engine, with extra overhead that costs time. The AI missed/ignored this in its reply.
Okay, so, the AI also said that you should use AI tools just for drafting and brainstorming. Granted, a very rough draft of something will probably be doable. But then you have to diligently verify every little detail of this draft â okay, fine, a draft is a draft, itâs fine if it contains errors. The thing is, though, that you really must do this verification. And I claim that many people will not do it, because AI outputs look sooooo convincing, they donât feel like a draft that needs editing.
Can you, as an expert, still use an AI draft as a basis/foundation? Yeah, probably. But hereâs the kicker: You did not create that draft. You were not involved in the âthought processâ behind it. When you, a human being, make a draft, you often think something like: âOkay, I want to draw a picture of a landscape and thereâs going to be a little house, but for now, Iâll just put in a rough sketch of the house and add the details later.â You are aware of what you left out. When the AI did the draft, you are not aware of whatâs missing â even more so when every AI output already looks like a final product. For me, personally, this makes it much harder and slower to verify such a draft, and I mentioned this in my text.
Skill Erosion vs. Skill EvolutionYou, @prologic@twtxt.net, also mentioned this in your car tyre example.
In my text, I gave two analogies: The gym analogy and the Google Translate analogy. Your car tyre example falls in the same category, but Geminiâs calculator example is different (and, again, gaslight-y, see below).
What I meant in my text: A person wants to be a programmer. To me, a programmer is a person who writes code, understands code, maintains code, writes documentation, and so on. In your example, a person who changes a car tyre would be a mechanic. Now, if you use AI to write the code and documentation for you, are you still a programmer? If you have no understanding of said code, are you a programmer? A person who does not know how to change a car tyre, is that still a mechanic?
No, youâre something else. You should not be hired as a programmer or a mechanic.
Yes, that is âskill evolutionâ â which is pretty much my point! But the AI framed it like a counter-argument. It didnât understand my text.
(But what if thatâs our future? What if all programming will look like that in some years? I claim: Itâs not possible. If you donât know how to program, then you donât know how to read/understand code written by an AI. You are something else, but youâre not a programmer. It might be valid to be something else â but that wasnât my point, my point was that youâre not a bloody programmer.)
Geminiâs calculator example is garbage, I think. Crunching numbers and doing mathematics (i.e., âcomplex problem-solvingâ) are two different things. Just because you now have a calculator, doesnât mean itâll free you up to do mathematical proofs or whatever.
What would have worked is this: Letâs say youâre an accountant and you sum up spendings. Without a calculator, this takes a lot of time and is error prone. But when you have one, you can work faster. But once again, thereâs a little gaslight-y detail: A calculator is correct. Yes, it could have âbugsâ (hello Intel FDIV), but its design actually properly calculates numbers. AI, on the other hand, does not understand a thing (our current AI, that is), itâs just a statistical model. So, this modified example (âaccountant with a calculatorâ) would actually have to be phrased like this: Suppose thereâs an accountant and you give her a magic box that spits out the correct result in, what, I donât know, 70-90% of the time. The accountant couldnât rely on this box now, could she? Sheâd either have to double-check everything or accept possibly wrong results. And that is how I feel like when I work with AI tools.
Gemini has no idea that its calculator example doesnât make sense. It just spits out some generic âargumentâ that it picked up on some website.
3. The Technical and Legal Perspective (Scraping and Copyright)The AI makes two points here. The first one, I might actually agree with (âbad bot behavior is not the fault of AI itselfâ).
The second point is, once again, gaslighting, because it is phrased/framed like a counter-argument. It implies that I said something which I didnât. Like the AI, I said that you would have to adjust the copyright law! At the same time, the AI answer didnât even question whether itâs okay to break the current law or not. It just said âlol yeah, change the lawsâ. (I wonder in what way the laws would have to be changed in the AIâs âopinionâ, because some of these changes could kill some business opportunities â or the laws would have to have special AI clauses that only benefit the AI techbros. But I digress, that wasnât part of Geminiâs answer.)
tl;drExcept for one point, I donât accept any of Geminiâs âcriticismâ. It didnât pick up on lots of details, ignored arguments, and I can just instinctively tell that this thing does not understand anything it wrote (which is correct, itâs just a statistical model).
And it framed everything like a counter-argument, while actually repeating what I said. Thatâs gaslighting: When Alice says âthe sky is blueâ and Bob replies with âwhy do you say the sky is purple?!â
But it sure looks convincing, doesnât it?
Never againThis took so much of my time. I wonât do this again. đ
And, one last missed:
- AI is Forcing Legal Modernization: The copyright double standard is a failure of outdated law. AI provides the necessary impetus for legal reform to either create fair compensation frameworks for creators or establish a clear new definition of fair use for data-driven models.
@movq@www.uninformativ.de Gemini liked your opinion very much. Here is how it countered:
1. The User Perspective (Untrustworthiness)The criticism of AI as untrustworthy is a problem of misapplication, not capability.
- AI as a Force Multiplier: AI should be treated as a high-speed drafting and brainstorming tool, not an authority. For experts, it offers an immense speed gain, shifting the work from slow manual creation to fast critical editing and verification.
- The Rise of AI Literacy: Users must develop a new skillâAI literacyâto critically evaluate and verify AIâs probabilistic output. This skill, along with improving citation features in AI tools, mitigates the âgaslightingâ effect.
The fear of skill loss is based on a misunderstanding of how technology changes the nature of work; itâs skill evolution, not erosion.
- Shifting Focus to High-Level Skills: Just as the calculator shifted focus from manual math to complex problem-solving, AI shifts the focus from writing boilerplate code to architectural design and prompt engineering. It handles repetitive tasks, freeing humans for creative and complex challenges.
- Accessibility and Empowerment: AI serves as a powerful democratizing tool, offering personalized tutoring and automation to people who lack deep expertise. While dependency is a risk, this accessibility empowers a wider segment of the population previously limited by skill barriers.
The legal and technical flaws are issues of governance and ethical practice, not reasons to reject the core technology.
- Need for Better Bot Governance: Destructive scraping is a failure of ethical web behavior and can be solved with better bot identification, rate limits, and protocols (like enhanced
robots.txt). The solution is to demand digital citizenship from AI companies, not to stop AI development.
KI-Videos: Sora 2 soll bessere Copyright-Kontrolle erhalten
In der neuen KI-Video-App Sora 2 sind viele urheberrechtlich geschĂŒtzte Charaktere aufgetaucht. Nach einem Update soll das nun weniger passieren. ( OpenAI, Urheberrecht)
How GitHub protects developers from copyright enforcement overreach
Why the U.S. Supreme Court case Cox v. Sony matters for developers and sharing updates to our Transparency Center and Acceptable Use Policies.
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âBut all your stuff is MIT licensed! They are allowed to do that!â
Haha. As if they would care. They crawl everything they get their hands on.
Besides, thatâs not true, the license states that the copyright notice must be retained. âAIâ breaks that. They incorporate my code and my articles in their product and make it appear as if it was their work.
On my blog: Copyright Thoughts https://john.colagioia.net/blog/2025/05/18/copyright-thoughts.html #copyright #freeculture #rant
Adobe Caves When Challenged by Lunduke
After filing multiple fraudulent YouTube copyright claims, in order to silence a critical journalist, Adobe failed to follow through with legal action when challenged. â Read more
Counter Claim Filed Against Adobeâs Efforts to Silence Journalist
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@prologic@twtxt.net Yeah and I donât get why ⊠Thereâs no copyrighted music in it, no ads (at least I donât see any) ⊠Just weird. đ„Ž
OpenAI Calls on U.S. Government to Let It Freely Use Copyrighted Material for AI Training
OpenAI, known for its ChatGPT chatbot, today submitted AI recommendations to the Trump administration, calling for deregulation and policies that give AI companies free rein to train models on copyrighted material in order to compete with China on AI development.
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RT by @mind_booster: Novidades acerca do famoso #artigo17 (o dos filtros de upload)
AmanhĂŁ, na Assembleia de RepĂșblica (AR), Ă© votada uma proposta de autorização legislativa em que a AR autoriza o Governo a legislar sozinho a transposição da directiva.
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Novidades acerca do famoso #artigo17 (o dos filtros de upload)
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**RT by @mind_booster: Save the date! Feb 13th.
Upcoming webinar: Flexible exceptions - the next step for Europe?
Focus:Open norms and civil law jurisdictions in Europe + a look at the experience of civil law countries in E Asia who have introduced them.
Chair @Senficon
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RT by @mind_booster: Ten Years Later, The EU Orphan Works Directive Is Officially A Failure â Just As The Copyright Industry Intended https://www.techdirt.com/2022/12/16/ten-years-later-the-eu-orphan-works-directive-is-officially-a-failure-just-as-the-copyright-industry-intended/
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**RT by @mind_booster: HOJE! : Portugal, AR,
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Lâintelligence artificielle Ă lâassaut du copyright
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RT by @mind_booster: Associação @Communia_EU atualiza recomendaçÔes para a próxima década #PublicDomain #Copyright https://paulasimoesblog.wordpress.com/2022/06/03/associacao-communia_eu-atualiza-recomendacoes-para-a-proxima-decada-publicdomain-copyright/
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**RT by @mind_booster: Notas da Semana 16/05/2022
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Notas da Semana 16/05/2022
Metadados (ainda)
Pressão da CE sobre os Estados-Membros na transposição da directiva do copyright
RelatĂłrio da IFLA
Livros & Reviews
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Caro @govpt , e em particular @padaoesilva , agora que jĂĄ temos um ânovo prazoâ (e jĂĄ sĂł temos 2 meses), jĂĄ podemos ter aquela tal consulta pĂșblica Ă proposta sobre a transposição da directiva do copyright, que o governo (e bem) considerou necessĂĄria?
Caro @govpt , e em particular @padaoesilva , agora que jĂĄ temos um ânovo prazoâ (e jĂĄ sĂł temos 2 meses), jĂĄ podemos ter aquela tal consulta pĂșblica Ă prop ⊠â Read more
RT by @mind_booster: Fun conversation with @creativecommons about our All The Music project, #copyright building blocks, #music, #creativity, #melodies, @GeorgeHarrison, @katyperry, @ledzeppelin, @edsheeran, and how all musicians stand on the shoulders of prior musical giants.
https://anchor.fm/creativecommons/episodes/Damien-RiehlâNoah-Rubin-of-All-The-Music-e1i2d86
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RT by @mind_booster: Copyright is more often a bump in the road than a true enabler of creativity, leading to chilling effects - @glynmoody https://walledculture.org/ed-sheeran-wins-copyright-lawsuit-but-now-films-himself-as-he-writes-songs-to-forestall-more-litigation #copyright #creators href=âhttps://txt.sour.is/search?q=%23CopyrightAbsurdityâ>#CopyrightAbsurdity**
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The Copyright Office expands your security research rights
Recently, the Copyright Office responded to the calls to clarify the scope of protected security research. â Read more
Vague infringement allegations considered harmful
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On the blog: Copyright Searches https://john.colagioia.net/blog/2020/07/19/pdomain.html #copyright #publicdomain
Random link from the archives: https://tedium.co/2017/10/24/public-domain-film-history-copyright/ originally archived Thu Oct 26 08:16:35 EDT 2017
Why Is AI Art Copyright So Complicated? â Artnome https://www.artnome.com/news/2019/3/27/why-is-ai-art-copyright-so-complicated
âKingdom Hearts IIIâ is a Big, Beautiful Mess - Waypoint https://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/article/gyaqwm/kingdom-hearts-iii-review-lore-copyright
Tedium Trends 2019: Copyright Law is Shifting https://tedium.co/2018/12/27/tedium-trends-2019/
The Quietus | Opinion | The Quietus Essay | Rude Citizenship: Jamaican Musical Challenges to Copyright(ed) Culture http://thequietus.com/articles/25494-music-copyright-jamaica-dub
Come to think of it, gluing some unrelated poem to some unrelated tune was all over the place before the 20th century, wasnât it? Ode to Joy, Jerusalem⊠Maybe we just stopped because of tin pan alley copyright expansion?
A Mass of Copyrighted Works Will Soon Enter the Public Domain - The Atlantic https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/04/copywritten-so-dont-copy-me/557420/
Is English Wikipediaâs ârise and declineâ typical? â copyrighteous https://mako.cc/copyrighteous/revisiting-the-rise-and-decline
A Mass of Copyrighted Works Will Soon Enter the Public Domain - The Atlantic https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/04/copywritten-so-dont-copy-me/557420/
Bad idea of the day: require a payment of a dollar (held in escrow by the copyright office) to send a DMCA takedown notice. The dollar goes to whoever is determined to be the legitimate owner, in case of a dispute. If there is no dispute, it goes into the federal education budget.
Copyright Law Makes Artificial Intelligence Bias Worse - Motherboard https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/59ydmx/copyright-law-artificial-intelligence-bias
Public Domain Film History: A Cottage Industry of Copyright Mishaps https://tedium.co/2017/10/24/public-domain-film-history-copyright/
Public Domain Film History: A Cottage Industry of Copyright Mishaps https://tedium.co/2017/10/24/public-domain-film-history-copyright/
How Appleâs Early Clone Wars Reshaped Copyright Law - Motherboard https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/59za4x/how-apples-early-clone-wars-reshaped-copyright-law
This sentence is free and owns the copyright to itself, but luckily it has allowed me to reproduce it
The Wikipedia Adventure â copyrighteous https://mako.cc/copyrighteous/the-wikipedia-adventure
Do Androids Dream of Electric Copyright? Comparative Analysis of Originality in Artificial Intelligence Generated Works by Andrés Guadamuz :: SSRN https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2981304
rtdb.py: Extension for dtuple.py
This is specific to sqlite but could easily be adopted to work with other databases. # # rtdb.py: Extension for dtuple.py # # Written by Dennis T Kaplan . Public Domain. # No Copyright, no Rights Reserved, and no Warranties. class rtdb: def __init__(self, dbname, sql, one = True): self.one = one connection = sqlite3.connect(dbname) [âŠ] â Read more