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In-reply-to » New post (mostly follow-up on the previous with a few new points) on the twtxt v2 discussion. http://a.9srv.net/b/2024-10-08

@2024-10-08T19:36:38-07:00@a.9srv.net Thanks for the followup. I agrees with most of it - especially:

Please nobody suggest sticking the content type in more metadata. šŸ™„

Yes, URL can be considered ugly, but they work and are understandable by both humans and machines. And its trivial for any client to hide the URLs used as reference in replies/treading.

Webfinger can be an add-on to help lookup people, and it can be made independent of the nick by just serving the same json regardless of the nick as people do with static sites and a as I implemented it on darch.dk (wf endpoint). Try RANDOMSTRING@darch.dk on http://darch.dk/wf-lookup.php (wf lookup) or RANDOMSTRING@garrido.io on https://webfinger.net

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BrandyJSon releases Feather Atomic v1.2
BrandyJSon1 has released Feather Atomic 2 version 1.23 with a temporary fix for the dead rendezvous points issue4:

[..] lets a user force a swaptool to query rendezvous points over clearnet. Does not completely solve the issue as it stems from comit xmr<->btc using an outdated libp2p version.

The full changelog, sources and SHA256sums can be found on Github3.

This project is a Feather Wallet 5 fork w … ⌘ Read more

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Hetzner has Object Storage in beta now. I got access to it, but one thing is holding me back from using it: A fixed price (5,95 € per month per bucket), even if there is nothing stored in there or way less than the included 1 TB. Why not bill based on actual usage, like most other services are doing it nowadays? I guess I will keep using Scaleway Object Storage and Cloudflare R2. ⌘ Read more

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Google Ordered to Support Alternative App Stores and Payment Methods in Play Store
Epic Games has successfully forced Google to change its Play Store business model following the conclusion of a 2020 antitrust lawsuit. A U.S. judge today decided that the Google Play Store has an illegal monopoly, and Google has been ordered make multiple changes as a result, reports _[Reuters](https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-judge-orders-google-open-up-ap … ⌘ Read more

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Gupaxx v1.5.0 released with monerod integration
Cyrix1261 has released Gupaxx 2 version 1.5.03 with monerod integration4, multiple other UI changes, bug fixes and updates:

Changes overview


UI:
-new big feature: integration of Monerod
-new button on p2pool simple tab to use the local node (default)
Internals:
-new big feature: integration of Monerod process
-put p2pool to synchronizing status if a node doesn't respond
Fixes:
-xmrig-proxy tab sim ... ⌘ [Read more](https://monero.observer/cyrix126-releases-gupaxx-v1.5.0-monerod-integration/)

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Top Stories: iOS 18.1 Coming Soon, October Apple Event Rumors, and More
It’s hard to believe we’re already into October with the iPhone 16 launch behind us, but there’s lots more still to come from Apple this year on both the hardware and software fronts.

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We’re still expecting a number of Mac and perhaps some iPad updates in the very near future, while Apple Intelligence features are set to begin rolling out with iOS … ⌘ Read more

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Get Reminders in Your Mac Menu Bar with Reminders MenuBar
If you use the Reminders app to keep track of things you need to do or be reminded of, on your Mac, iPhone, iPad, and Apple Watch, then you might appreciate having Reminders easily available in the Mac menu bar. That’s exactly what the aptly named Reminders MenuBar does, it’s a free tool that places … Read More ⌘ Read more

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In-reply-to » @prologic I’m sure you can somehow install something that calculates blake2b on OpenBSD. But it’s not part of the base system as a standalone CLI tool, there only appear to be Perl modules for it. The other SHA tools do exist.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de i’m sorry if I sound too contrarian. I’m not a fan of using an obscure hash as well. The problem is that of future and backward compatibility. If we change to sha256 or another we don’t just need to support sha256. But need to now support both sha256 AND blake2b. Or we devide the community. Users of some clients will still use the old algorithm and get left behind.

Really we should all think hard about how changes will break things and if those breakages are acceptable.

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In-reply-to » @prologic I’m sure you can somehow install something that calculates blake2b on OpenBSD. But it’s not part of the base system as a standalone CLI tool, there only appear to be Perl modules for it. The other SHA tools do exist.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de i’m sorry if I sound too contrarian. I’m not a fan of using an obscure hash as well. The problem is that of future and backward compatibility. If we change to sha256 or another we don’t just need to support sha256. But need to now support both sha256 AND blake2b. Or we devide the community. Users of some clients will still use the old algorithm and get left behind.

Really we should all think hard about how changes will break things and if those breakages are acceptable.

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In-reply-to » @prologic I wanted to wait for things to settle down. It’s still unclear to me in which direction we’re going – and if that new/different stuff is even possible to implement in jenny. That said, I’ve been really busy with private stuff these last few days, I’ve lost track of most of what you’re discussing. 🄓

I share I did write up an algorithm for it at some point I think it is lost in a git comment someplace. I’ll put together a pseudo/go code this week.

Super simple:

Making a reply:

  1. If yarn has one use that. (Maybe do collision check?)
  2. Make hash of twt raw no truncation.
  3. Check local cache for shortest without collision
    • in SQL: select len(subject) where head_full_hash like subject || '%'

Threading:

  1. Get full hash of head twt
  2. Search for twts
    • in SQL: head_full_hash like subject || '%' and created_on > head_timestamp

The assumption being replies will be for the most recent head. If replying to an older one it will use a longer hash.

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In-reply-to » @prologic I wanted to wait for things to settle down. It’s still unclear to me in which direction we’re going – and if that new/different stuff is even possible to implement in jenny. That said, I’ve been really busy with private stuff these last few days, I’ve lost track of most of what you’re discussing. 🄓

I share I did write up an algorithm for it at some point I think it is lost in a git comment someplace. I’ll put together a pseudo/go code this week.

Super simple:

Making a reply:

  1. If yarn has one use that. (Maybe do collision check?)
  2. Make hash of twt raw no truncation.
  3. Check local cache for shortest without collision
    • in SQL: select len(subject) where head_full_hash like subject || '%'

Threading:

  1. Get full hash of head twt
  2. Search for twts
    • in SQL: head_full_hash like subject || '%' and created_on > head_timestamp

The assumption being replies will be for the most recent head. If replying to an older one it will use a longer hash.

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pluja launches experimental ā€˜AI-driven’ weekly Monero podcast
pluja1 has announced2 the launch of XMR.FAN 3, an AI-driven experimental weekly podcast that aims to deliver the latest insights and news from the world of Monero and privacy:

I’ve been experimenting with Google’s NotebookLM, voice generation (elevenlabs/piper), and other AI tools (SD, flux…). I discovered that these are really useful to produce very decent weekly news overviews, so I made this websi … ⌘ Read more

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In-reply-to » @prologic I’m sure you can somehow install something that calculates blake2b on OpenBSD. But it’s not part of the base system as a standalone CLI tool, there only appear to be Perl modules for it. The other SHA tools do exist.

I mean sure if i want to run it over on my tooth brush why not use something that is accessible everywhere like md5? crc32? It was chosen a long while back and the only benefit in changing now is ā€œi cant find an implementation for xā€ when the down side is it breaks all existing threads. so…

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In-reply-to » @prologic I’m sure you can somehow install something that calculates blake2b on OpenBSD. But it’s not part of the base system as a standalone CLI tool, there only appear to be Perl modules for it. The other SHA tools do exist.

I mean sure if i want to run it over on my tooth brush why not use something that is accessible everywhere like md5? crc32? It was chosen a long while back and the only benefit in changing now is ā€œi cant find an implementation for xā€ when the down side is it breaks all existing threads. so…

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ProcessOne: Matrix and XMPP: Thoughts on Improving Messaging Protocols – Part 1
For over two decades, ProcessOne has been developing large-scale messaging platforms, powering some of the largest services in the world. Our mission is to build the best messaging back-ends imaginable–an exciting yet complex challenge.

We began with XMPP (eXtensible Messaging and Presence Protocol), but the need for interoperability and support for a variety of use cases led us to implemen … ⌘ Read more

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In-reply-to » Had to build a list of all feeds (that I follow) and all twts in them and there are two collisions already:

These collisions aren’t important unless someone tries to fork. So.. for the vast majority its not a big deal. Using the grow hash algorithm could inform the client to add another char when they fork.

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In-reply-to » Had to build a list of all feeds (that I follow) and all twts in them and there are two collisions already:

These collisions aren’t important unless someone tries to fork. So.. for the vast majority its not a big deal. Using the grow hash algorithm could inform the client to add another char when they fork.

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In-reply-to » Been curious about how people on Pubnix instances do manage their feed, if they have access to log? Sent in a req to join one still no res.

Idk about other pubnixes but i can freely edit caddy config (or change webserver and use other config format)

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Oh boy, I’m looking for trapezoidal (like ACME thread) screws and nuts in left hand form. The rods are already expensive, but nuts feel like a total ripoff. A hex nut for Tr20x2 being 30mm long and 30mm in ā€œdiameterā€ costs me 22 bucks! O_o Just a single one, made of regular steel. A meter of rod is 21€. The more common Tr20x4 hex nut is just 7€ and the rod 17€, but 4mm pitch is a bit much for a leadscrew for semi-precision work I reckon.

Well, maybe I just use metric threads. I will sleep on this.

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Encryption matters
Community post by Ronald Petty and Tom Thorley of the Internet Society US San Francisco Bay Area Chapter (original post) When you hear the word encryption, what comes to mind? Take a moment… Upon asking this question to… ⌘ Read more

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In-reply-to » should i delete gemini support from twet? iirc in twtxt v2 it starts prohibited. And all of my fields are https

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt No.

iirc in twtxt v2 it starts prohibited

This is not true. There are no issues supporting fetching feeds via Gemini/Gopher. This is totally fine. What will likely happen is ā€œrecommendationsā€ and ā€œdrawbacks of using Gemini/Gopherā€

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In-reply-to » There we go!

@prologic@twtxt.net Regarding the new way of generating twt-hashes, to me it makes more sense to use tabs as separator instead of spaces, since the you can just copy/past a line directly from a twtxt-file that already go a tab between timestamp and message. But tabs might be hard to ā€œtypeā€ when you are in a terminal, since it will activate autocompleteā€¦šŸ¤”

Another thing, it seems that you sugget we only use the domain in the hash-creation and not the full path to the twtxt.txt

$ echo -e "https://example.com 2024-09-29T13:30:00Z Hello World!" | sha256sum - | awk '{ print $1 }' | base64 | head -c 12

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Gajim: Gajim 1.9.5
This release comes with many improvements for Gajim’s Microsoft Store version. Translations are now available for all distributions again. Thank you for all your contributions!

What’s New

Gajim now detects if you installed it from the Microsoft Store. This allows Gajim to delegate updates to the Store rather than handling updates by itself. Detecting the install method also allowed us to apply a fix which prevented native notifications to work in Windows. Last but not least, viewing r … ⌘ Read more

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In-reply-to » @doesnm twt probably isn't the best client I'm afraid. It doesn't really cache twts by their key (hash) to display threads properly. Jenny however does šŸ‘Œ

It has twts cache which used if timeline is set to jew. Maybe i.should fork twet to make wishes like newlines (i see two squares), showing conversations, showing twts if not found in cache and parsing medata to configure url, nick and followers (currenly it duplicated in config and twtxt file)

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Golang äø­ä½ ę‡‰č©²ēŸ„é“ēš„ noCopy ē­–ē•„
在 Go é–‹ē™¼äø­ļ¼Œęˆ‘å€‘ē¶“åøøé‡åˆ° noCopy é€™ēØ®ēµę§‹é«”ļ¼Œäø¦ä¼“éšØäø€å€‹åøøč¦‹ēš„čØ»é‡‹ ā€œmust not be copied after first useā€ć€‚ęœ¬ę–‡å°‡ę·±å…„ęŽ¢čØŽ noCopy ēš„ä½œē”Øļ¼Œä»„åŠ Go Vet å¦‚ä½•å¹«åŠ©ęˆ‘å€‘éæå…ę½›åœØēš„éŒÆčŖ¤ć€‚sync.noCopy ēš„ä½œē”Øā€”ā€”ā€”ā€”ā€”ā€“sync.noCopy ēµę§‹é«”é€šåøøčˆ‡ sync.WaitGroup ē­‰åŒę­„åŽŸčŖžäø€čµ·å‡ŗē¾ļ¼Œä¾‹å¦‚ļ¼št ⌘ Read more

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In-reply-to » I'm looking to develop a static site for twtxt.dev -- A domain I own and have wanted to use for developer and specification docs for Twtxt.

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt Thanks! I’ve almost come up with my own theme already 🤣 I actually don’t really want to use Hugo at all, I find it too complicated. But it is pretty popular so I thought maybe I’d rip-off a nice theme… Hmmm 🧐

Anyway, What I really normally use for a lot of my static sites is zs

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I’m looking to develop a static site for twtxt.dev – A domain I own and have wanted to use for developer and specification docs for Twtxt.

Can anyone recommend a few Hugo themes you like?

All of the dev.twtxt.net content would move over as well.

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(Updated) Radxa ROCK 2F: An Upcoming Compact 4K Computer with Rockchip RK3528A and Wi-Fi 6
Radxa ROCK 2F: An Upcoming Compact 4K Computer with Rockchip RK3528A and Wi-Fi 6
The Radxa ROCK 2F is a small computing device designed for a wide range of uses, from development projects to multimedia setups. It’s packed with features, including multiple GPIOs and an HDMI port that supports 4K video at 60 fps, making it versatile for technology enthusiasts. ⌘ Read more

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šŸ‘‹ Thanks for joining us on our Sept monthly Yarn.social meetup today y’all šŸ™‡ā€ā™‚ļø We had @david@collantes.us @sorenpeter@darch.dk @doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt @falsifian@www.falsifian.org and @xuu@txt.sour.is šŸ’Ŗ Nice turn out! (not all at once of course, as we normally run this over 4 hours as we span many time zones!)

Things we talked about:

  • Decentralised vs. Distributed
  • Use of SHA256 for Twt Hash(es)
  • We solved Edits! 🄳
  • UUID(s) probably won’t work! (susceptible to sppofing)
  • Helped @sorenpeter@darch.dk write some PHP to process/parse User-Agent and service his feed via a custom PHP script šŸ˜…
  • @falsifian@www.falsifian.org introduced himself šŸ‘Œ
  • Talked about Merkle Trees 🌳

Did I miss anything? šŸ¤”

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JMP: CertWatch
As you may have already seen, on October 21st, it was reported that a long-running, successful MITM (Machine-In-The-Middle) attack against jabber.ru had been detected. The nature of this attack was not specific to the XMPP protocol in any way, but it was of special interest to us as members of the XMPP community. This kind of attack relies on being able to present a TLS certificate which anyone trying to connect will accept as valid. In this case, it was done b … ⌘ Read more

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Diving into mblaze, I think I’ve nearly* reached peek email geek.

Just a bunch of shell commands I can pipe together to search, list, view and reply to email (after syncing it to a local Maildir).

EXAMPLES at https://git.vuxu.org/mblaze/tree/README

So far I’m using most of the tools directly from the command line, but I might take inspiration from https://sr.ht/~rakoo/omail/ to make my workflow a bit more efficient.

*To get any closer, I think I’d have to hand-craft my own SMTP client or something.

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Why Kubernetes is removing in-tree cloud-provider integration support in v1.31, and how it can affect you
Community blog post by Reza Ramezanpour, developer advocate at Tigera Kubernetes is known for its modularity, and its integration with cloud environments. Throughout its history, Kubernetes provided in-tree cloud provider integrations with most providers, allowing us to create… ⌘ Read more

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ā€œFirst worldā€ countries problem number x:

More than 3,600 chemicals approved for food contact in packaging, kitchenware or food processing equipment have been found in humans, new peer-reviewed research has found, highlighting a little-regulated exposure risk to toxic substances.

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In-reply-to » Something @anth said on ITC

We:

  • Drop # url= from the spec.
  • We don’t adopt # uuid = – Something @anth@a.9srv.net also mentioned (see below)

We instead use the @nick@domain to identify your feed in the first place and use that as the identify when calculating Twt hashes <id> + <timestamp> + <content>. Now in an ideal world I also agree, use WebFinger for this and expect that for the most part you’ll be doing a WebFinger lookup of @user@domain to fetch someone’s feed in the first place.

The only problem with WebFinger is should this be mandated or a recommendation?

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** Guitar driven development **
I’ve found myself in possession of a guitar. Actually, the guitar that I had in middle school has come back to me after a decade’s long jaunt with someone else. I don’t really play guitar, but, I figured I should restring it and tune it.

I’m really very bad at tuning, so, rather than get good at that, or use any of the existing tools within reach of the internet to help me with that I made a thing. Tuner is a little web app that does 2 things: using a device’s … ⌘ Read more

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iOS 18 Features You Should Use
By now it’s fairly likely you have either heard about or updated to iOS 18 on iPhone or iPadOS 18 on iPad, and you might be wondering about some of the new features. While there are some major new features along with many small changes and mini features here and there, there are a handful … Read More ⌘ Read more

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In-reply-to » "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." – Albert Einstein

@prologic@twtxt.net I like the, allegedly, original:

ā€œIt can scarcely be denied that the supreme goal of all theory is to make the irreducible basic elements as simple and as few as possible without having to surrender the adequate representation of a single datum of experience.ā€

Not as simple as the interpretation you used, yet often context is king (or queen).

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Quick Fix for Messages Slowing a Mac
The Messages app for Mac is incredibly useful in that it allows Mac users to seamlessly communicate over iMessage with other Macs, iPhones, and iPads, and it allows Mac users to send text messages to Android users too, but the latest versions of Messages on the Mac are known for randomly using high amounts of … Read More ⌘ Read more

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Hurricane Helene is passing by. Close enough to give us a day off tomorrow, but not that close to cause major harm. Well, we think. Hurricanes often have a mind of their own, and decide changes on their path. Either way, I shall be back at work on Friday 😩. LOL.

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KubeCon + CloudNativeCon North America 2024 co-located event deep dive: AppDeveloperCon
Co-chairs: Naina Singh, Mark Fussell, Evan AndersonNovember 12, 2024Salt Lake City, Utah AppDeveloperCon is specifically targeting software developers who are using cloud native technologies to solve problems for their end-user customers.Ā  While much of KubeCon focuses on how… ⌘ Read more

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In-reply-to » This is only first draft quality, but I made some notes on the #twtxt v2 proposal. http://a.9srv.net/b/2024-09-25

@anth@a.9srv.net you wrote:

ā€œEdits and Deletions should go; see also Section 6. This is probably the worst example of this document pushing a text document to do more protocol-like things.ā€

Edit and deletions are precisely what brought us here. Currently, if one replies to a twtxt, and the original gets later edited, it breaks replies, and potentially drastically changes context.

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Meta Unveils ā€˜Orion’ Augmented Reality Glasses
Facebook parent company Meta today unveiled ā€œthe most advanced pair of AR glasses ever made,ā€ called Orion. Meta claims Orion looks and feels like a regular pair of glasses, but with augmented reality capabilities.

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The glasses have been in development for the last five years, and Meta describes them as lightweight and great for indoor and outdoor use. Unlike a VR heads … ⌘ Read more

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Radxa Reveals Specs for Siengine SE1000-I Single Board Computer with Linux Support
The SiRider S1 is an upcoming industrial-grade single-board computer jointly developed by Radxa, Siengine Technology, and Arm China. It features the Siengine SE1000-I System-on-Chip, a powerful AIoT application processor built using 7nm technology. According to Radxa’s Wiki pages, this SE1000-IĀ SoC has a dual-cluster CPU architecture. The first cluster includes four high-performa … ⌘ Read more

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Apple Card Savings Account Receives Another Interest Rate Cut
The Apple Card’s high-yield savings account received an interest rate cut overnight, the second time it has done so this year.

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The ā€ŒApple Cardā€Œ savings account’s annual percentage yield (APY) dropped from 4.4% to 4.25%, in line with the US Federal Reserve approving an aggressive rate c … ⌘ Read more

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In-reply-to » So really your argument is just that switching to a location-based addressing "just makes sense". Why? Without concrete pros/cons of each approach this isn't really a strong argument I'm afraid. In fact I probably need to just sit down and detail the properties of both approaches and the pros/cons of both.

(#2024-09-24T12:39:32Z) @prologic@twtxt.net It might be simple for you to run echo -e "\t\t" | sha256sum | base64, but for people who are not comfortable in a terminal and got their dev env set up, then that is magic, compared to the simplicity of just copy/pasting what you see in a textfile into another textfile – Basically what @movq@www.uninformativ.de also said. I’m also on team extreme minimalism, otherwise we could just use mastodon etc. Replacing line-breaks with a tab would also make it easier to handwrite your twtxt. You don’t have to hardwrite it, but at least you should have the option to. Just as i do with all my HTML and CSS.

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In-reply-to » @sorenpeter Points 2 & 3 aren't really applicable here in the discussion of the threading model really I'm afraid. WebMentions is completely orthogonal to the discussion. Further, no-one that uses Twtxt really uses WebMentions, whilst yarnd supports the use of WebMentions, it's very rarely used in practise (if ever) -- In fact I should just drop the feature entirely.

(#2024-09-24T12:34:31Z) WebMentions does would work if we agreed to implement it correctly. I never figured out how yarnd’s WebMentions work, so I decide to make my own, which I’m the only one using…

I had a look at WebSub, witch looks way more complex than WebMentions, and seem to need a lot more overhead. We don’t need near realtime. We just need a way to notify someone that someone they don’t know about mentioned or replied to their post.

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A weekend with my family
This past weekend, I visited my family in the south of Germany. I wasn’t there for quite some time. On one day, we went to Biel in Switzerland, walking through the Taubenloch (ā€œpigeonholeā€, a canyon right next to the city) and sitting on a boat that took us across Lake Biel. It was quite picturesque. ⌘ Read more

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Starting a couple of new projects (geez where do I find the time?!):

HomeTunnel:

HomeTunnel is a self-hosted solution that combines secure tunneling, proxying, and automation to create your own private cloud. Utilizing Wireguard for VPN, Caddy for reverse proxying, and Traefik for service routing, HomeTunnel allows you to securely expose your home network services (such as Gitea, Poste.io, etc.) to the Internet. With seamless automation and on-demand TLS, HomeTunnel gives you the power to manage your own cloud-like environment with the control and privacy of self-hosting.

CraneOps:

craneops is an open-source operator framework, written in Go, that allows self-hosters to automate the deployment and management of infrastructure and applications. Inspired by Kubernetes operators, CraneOps uses declarative YAML Custom Resource Definitions (CRDs) to manage Docker Swarm deployments on Proxmox VE clusters.

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In-reply-to » Some more arguments for a local-based treading model over a content-based one:

There is also a ~5x increase cost in memory utilization for any implementations or implementors that use or wish to use in-memory storage (yarnd does for example) and equally a 5x increase in on-disk storage as well. This is based on the Twt Hash going from a 13 bytes (content-addressing) to 63 bytes (on average for location-based addressing). There is roughly a ~20-150% increase in the size of individual feeds as well that needs to be taken into consideration (on the average case).

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In-reply-to » Some more arguments for a local-based treading model over a content-based one:

@sorenpeter@darch.dk Points 2 & 3 aren’t really applicable here in the discussion of the threading model really I’m afraid. WebMentions is completely orthogonal to the discussion. Further, no-one that uses Twtxt really uses WebMentions, whilst yarnd supports the use of WebMentions, it’s very rarely used in practise (if ever) – In fact I should just drop the feature entirely.

The use of WebSub OTOH is far more useful and is used by every single yarnd pod everywhere (no that there’s that many around these days) to subscribe to feed updates in ~near real-time without having the poll constantly.

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Some more arguments for a local-based treading model over a content-based one:

  1. The format: (#<DATE URL>) or (@<DATE URL>) both makes sense: # as prefix is for a hashtag like we allredy got with the (#twthash) and @ as prefix denotes that this is mention of a specific post in a feed, and not just the feed in general. Using either can make implementation easier, since most clients already got this kind of filtering.

  2. Having something like (#<DATE URL>) will also make mentions via webmetions for twtxt easier to implement, since there is no need for looking up the #twthash. This will also make it possible to make 3th part twt-mentions services.

  3. Supporting twt/webmentions will also increase discoverability as a way to know about both replies and feed mentions from feeds that you don’t follow.

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In-reply-to » @prologic Thanks for writing that up!

@bender@twtxt.net

Sorry, you’re right, I should have used numbers!

I’m don’t understand what ā€œpreserve the original hashā€ could mean other than ā€œmake sure there’s still a twt in the feed with that hashā€. Maybe the text could be clarified somehow.

I’m also not sure what you mean by markdown already being part of it. Of course people can already use Markdown, just like presumably nothing stopped people from using (twt subjects) before they were formally described. But it’s not universal; e.g. as a jenny user I just see the plain text.

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In-reply-to » LOl šŸ˜‚ Not only have a tried to write up a full Twtxt v2 specification, I've also written a Bash shell script that implements the new spec šŸ˜…

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org I’d suggest making the whole content-type thing a SHOULD, to accommodate people just using some hosting service they don’t have much control over. (The same situation could make detecting followers hard, but IMO ā€œplease email me if you follow meā€ is still legit twtxt, even if inconvenient.)

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In-reply-to » Okay folks, I've spent all day on this today, and I think its in "good enough"ā„¢ shape to share:

@prologic@twtxt.net Thanks for writing that up!

I hope it can remain a living document (or sequence of draft revisions) for a good long time while we figure out how this stuff works in practice.

I am not sure how I feel about all this being done at once, vs. letting conventions arise.

For example, even today I could reply to twt abc1234 with ā€œ(#abc1234) Edit: ā€¦ā€ and I think all you humans would understand it as an edit to (#abc1234). Maybe eventually it would become a common enough convention that clients would start to support it explicitly.

Similarly we could just start using 11-digit hashes. We should iron out whether it’s sha256 or whatever but there’s no need get all the other stuff right at the same time.

I have similar thoughts about how some users could try out location-based replies in a backward-compatible way (append the replyto: stuff after the legacy (#hash) style).

However I recognize that I’m not the one implementing this stuff, and it’s less work to just have everything determined up front.

Misc comments (I haven’t read the whole thing):

  • Did you mean to make hashes hexadecimal? You lose 11 bits that way compared to base32. I’d suggest gaining 11 bits with base64 instead.

  • ā€œClients MUST preserve the original hashā€ — do you mean they MUST preserve the original twt?

  • Thanks for phrasing the bit about deletions so neutrally.

  • I don’t like the MUST in ā€œClients MUST follow the chain of reply-to referencesā€¦ā€. If someone writes a client as a 40-line shell script that requires the user to piece together the threading themselves, IMO we shouldn’t declare the client non-conforming just because they didn’t get to all the bells and whistles.

  • Similarly I don’t like the MUST for user agents. For one thing, you might want to fetch a feed without revealing your identty. Also, it raises the bar for a minimal implementation (I’m again thinking again of the 40-line shell script).

  • For ā€œwho followsā€ lists: why must the long, random tokens be only valid for a limited time? Do you have a scenario in mind where they could leak?

  • Why can’t feeds be served over HTTP/1.0? Again, thinking about simple software. I recently tried implementing HTTP/1.1 and it wasn’t too bad, but 1.0 would have been slightly simpler.

  • Why get into the nitty-gritty about caching headers? This seems like generic advice for HTTP servers and clients.

  • I’m a little sad about other protocols being not recommended.

  • I don’t know how I feel about including markdown. I don’t mind too much that yarn users emit twts full of markdown, but I’m more of a plain text kind of person. Also it adds to the length. I wonder if putting a separate document would make more sense; that would also help with the length.

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šŸ‘‹ Reminder folks of the upcoming Yarn.social monthly online meetup:

I hope to see @david@collantes.us @movq@www.uninformativ.de @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org @xuu@txt.sour.is @sorenpeter@darch.dk and hopefully others too @aelaraji@aelaraji.com @falsifian@www.falsifian.org and anyone else that sees this! šŸ™ We’re hopefully going to primarily discuss the future of Twtxt and the last few weeks of discussions 🤣

  • Event: Yarn.social Online Meetup
  • When: 28th September 2024 at 12:00pm UTC (midday)
  • Where: Mills Meet : Yarn.social
  • Cadence: 4th Saturday of every Month

Agenda:

  • Let’s talk about the upcoming changes to the Twtxt spec(s)

#Yarn.social #Meetup

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In-reply-to » @movq @falsifian @prologic Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about and You've probably already read this: Everything you need to know about the ā€œRight to be forgottenā€ coming straight out of the EU's GDPR Website itself. It outlines the specific circumstances under which the right to be forgotten applies as well as reasons that trump the one's right to erasure ...etc.

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com This is one of the reasons why yarnd has a couple of settings with some sensible/sane defaults:

I could already imagine a couple of extreme cases where, somewhere, in this peaceful world one’s exercise of freedom of speech could get them in Real trouble (if not danger) if found out, it wouldn’t necessarily have to involve something to do with Law or legal authorities. So, If someone asks, and maybe fearing fearing for… let’s just say ā€˜Their well being’, would it heart if a pod just purged their content if it’s serving it publicly (maybe relay the info to other pods) and call it a day? It doesn’t have to be about some law/convention somewhere … 🤷 I know! Too extreme, but I’ve seen news of people who’d gone to jail or got their lives ruined for as little as a silly joke. And it doesn’t even have to be about any of this.

There are two settings:

$ ./yarnd --help 2>&1 | grep max-cache
      --max-cache-fetchers int        set maximum numnber of fetchers to use for feed cache updates (default 10)
  -I, --max-cache-items int           maximum cache items (per feed source) of cached twts in memory (default 150)
  -C, --max-cache-ttl duration        maximum cache ttl (time-to-live) of cached twts in memory (default 336h0m0s)

So yarnd pods by default are designed to only keep Twts around publicly visible on either the anonymous Frontpage or Discover View or your Timeline or the feed’s Timeline for up to 2 weeks with a maximum of 150 items, whichever get exceeded first. Any Twts over this are considered ā€œoldā€ and drop off the active cache.

It’s a feature that my old man @off_grid_living@twtxt.net was very strongly in support of, as was I back in the day of yarnd’s design (nothing particularly to do with Twtxt per se) that I’ve to this day stuck by – Even though there are some šŸ˜‰ that have different views on this 🤣

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In-reply-to » @falsifian Do you have specifics about the GRPD law about this?

@movq@www.uninformativ.de @falsifian@www.falsifian.org @prologic@twtxt.net Maybe I don’t know what I’m talking about and You’ve probably already read this: Everything you need to know about the ā€œRight to be forgottenā€ coming straight out of the EU’s GDPR Website itself. It outlines the specific circumstances under which the right to be forgotten applies as well as reasons that trump the one’s right to erasure …etc.

I’m no lawyer, but my uneducated guess would be that:

A) twts are already publicly available/public knowledge and such… just don’t process children’s personal data and MAYBE you’re good? Since there’s this:

… an organization’s right to process someone’s data might override their right to be forgotten. Here are the reasons cited in the GDPR that trump the right to erasure:

  • The data is being used to exercise the right of freedom of expression and information.
  • The data is being used to perform a task that is being carried out in the public interest or when exercising an organization’s official authority.
  • The data represents important information that serves the public interest, scientific research, historical research, or statistical purposes and where erasure of the data would likely to impair or halt progress towards the achievement that was the goal of the processing.

B) What I love about the TWTXT sphere is it’s Human/Humane element! No deceptive algorithms, no Corpo B.S …etc. Just Humans. So maybe … If we thought about it in this way, it wouldn’t heart to be even nicer to others/offering strangers an even safer space.
I could already imagine a couple of extreme cases where, somewhere, in this peaceful world one’s exercise of freedom of speech could get them in Real trouble (if not danger) if found out, it wouldn’t necessarily have to involve something to do with Law or legal authorities. So, If someone asks, and maybe fearing fearing for… let’s just say ā€˜Their well being’, would it heart if a pod just purged their content if it’s serving it publicly (maybe relay the info to other pods) and call it a day? It doesn’t have to be about some law/convention somewhere … 🤷 I know! Too extreme, but I’ve seen news of people who’d gone to jail or got their lives ruined for as little as a silly joke. And it doesn’t even have to be about any of this.

P.S: Maybe make X tool check out robots.txt? Or maybe make long-term archives Opt-in? Opt-out?
P.P.S: Already Way too many MAYBE’s in a single twt! So I’ll just shut up. šŸ˜…

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In-reply-to » @prologic Do you have a link to some past discussion?

@david@collantes.us Thanks, that’s good feedback to have. I wonder to what extent this already exists in registry servers and yarn pods. I haven’t really tried digging into the past in either one.

How interested would you be in changes in metadata and other comments in the feeds? I’m thinking of just permanently saving every version of each twtxt file that gets pulled, not just the twts. It wouldn’t be hard to do (though presenting the information in a sensible way is another matter). Compression should make storage a non-issue unless someone does something weird with their feed like shuffle the comments around every time I fetch it.

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Now that MacOS Sequoia is available for all Mac users to update and install, you might be wondering which of the many new features and changes are particularly enticing, and that you might actually use. Rather than overwhelm you with a list of twenty seven trillion new things that you will quickly forget about, here … Read More ⌘ Read more

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