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In-reply-to » i wrote (citation needed) a PHP script thing that does a check for on demand TLS purposes and it works but like only partly? like there's records in the DB that it 404s on even though. they are very much there. so idk what's up with that but i've worked at this all day i'll leave it at this for now

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz At least it wasn’t Vibe coding, so just take the win! 😆

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In-reply-to » Also, I should cut down on coffee. Seriously, I've nearly had a ... I honestly don't know what it was; A Panic attack? A heart attack? I dunno, I just felt like my heart and lungs were so about to burst I had to go for a run to cope.

@bender@twtxt.net 😆 I might have to make it a Just a Weekend Thing as well. Otherwise, I’ll end up busting a knee, if not an artery.

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In-reply-to » i wrote (citation needed) a PHP script thing that does a check for on demand TLS purposes and it works but like only partly? like there's records in the DB that it 404s on even though. they are very much there. so idk what's up with that but i've worked at this all day i'll leave it at this for now

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz it’s so funny saying i wrote it lol that shit is made from stackoverflow answers and prayers

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In-reply-to » Also, I should cut down on coffee. Seriously, I've nearly had a ... I honestly don't know what it was; A Panic attack? A heart attack? I dunno, I just felt like my heart and lungs were so about to burst I had to go for a run to cope.

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com oh nooo i’ve been there. i have to balance out my abnormal coffee consumption with my anxiety medication which can’t be good lol

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In-reply-to » Also, I should cut down on coffee. Seriously, I've nearly had a ... I honestly don't know what it was; A Panic attack? A heart attack? I dunno, I just felt like my heart and lungs were so about to burst I had to go for a run to cope.

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com weekend coffee—the one mum brews, not the “dirty water” one can get elsewhere—keeps me jittery the whole day. Like I feel my heart wants out kind of jittery. Coffee sure is some elixir. Don’t give it up! 😅

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In-reply-to » "Here’s what we do know: After their meeting ended and Vice President Vance left the room, the pope was still alive. We can deduce that he was alive, because he was heard asking an assistant, “Ho appena incontrato il volto del diavolo?” which roughly translates to, “Have I just encountered the face of the devil?” It’s a very common question that has been asked in many languages after encounters with JD Vance."

@bender@twtxt.net I wish we could fire presidents and Prime Minister’s when the need arises and the people recognize it needs to happen rather than having to wait for the next election

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In-reply-to » I had Chick-fil-A breakfast today (sausage, egg, and cheese biscuit, hash browns, coffee, and orange juice). Then at lunch my work place offered hot dogs. I had two (kosher, if that matters), plus a coke, a macadamia nuts cookie, and a small chocolate brownie.

@bender@twtxt.net Holy moly 🤣 Bases on your description you’ve eaten and drunk way more than I have today where all I’ve had so far is three coffees today

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In-reply-to » "Here’s what we do know: After their meeting ended and Vice President Vance left the room, the pope was still alive. We can deduce that he was alive, because he was heard asking an assistant, “Ho appena incontrato il volto del diavolo?” which roughly translates to, “Have I just encountered the face of the devil?” It’s a very common question that has been asked in many languages after encounters with JD Vance."

@prologic@twtxt.net if not physically, then in a matter of speaking. He is also helping on killing us all (like, all).

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In-reply-to » Today's stroll was really nice. Just around 11km in total I'd reckon. We had a barbie at a mate's garden where everybody went on a hunt for an easter basket. Oh boy, what a preparation that must have been! Baking the bunnies, dying the eggs, mixing the bear leek butter and so on. That's dedication, let me tell you. :-)

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Love those green roll’n hills 👌 Btw, what’s that rickety ‘ol shed in 18? 🤔

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In-reply-to » "Here’s what we do know: After their meeting ended and Vice President Vance left the room, the pope was still alive. We can deduce that he was alive, because he was heard asking an assistant, “Ho appena incontrato il volto del diavolo?” which roughly translates to, “Have I just encountered the face of the devil?” It’s a very common question that has been asked in many languages after encounters with JD Vance."

@bender@twtxt.net So Vance killed the pope? 🤔

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In-reply-to » Today's stroll was really nice. Just around 11km in total I'd reckon. We had a barbie at a mate's garden where everybody went on a hunt for an easter basket. Oh boy, what a preparation that must have been! Baking the bunnies, dying the eggs, mixing the bear leek butter and so on. That's dedication, let me tell you. :-)

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz And tasty! :-) Turns out there’s marzipan in the bunny belly. Yum-yum!

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In-reply-to » @andros maybe create a separate, completely distinct feed for DM? That way, clients do not need to do anything, only those wanted to "talk in private" follow themselves, using their very special dm-only.txt feeds. 😂

by commenting out DMs are you giving up on simplicity? See the Metadata extension holding the data inside comments, as the client doesn’t need to show it inside the timeline.

I don’t think that commenting out DMs as we are doing for metadata is giving up on simplicity (it’s a feature already), and it helps to hide unwanted DMs to clients that will take months to add it’s support to something named… an extension.

For some other extensions in https://twtxt.dev/extensions.html (for example the reply-to hash #abcdfeg or the mention @ < example http://example.org/twtxt.txt >) is not a big deal. The twt is still understandable in plain text.
For DM, it’s only interesting for you if you are the recipient, otherwise you see an scrambled message like 1234567890abcdef=. Even if you see it, you’ll need some decryption to read it. I’ve said before that DMs shouldn’t be in the same section that the timeline as it’s confusing.

So my point stands, and as I’ve said before, we are discussing it as a community, so let’s see what other maintainers add to the convo.

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In-reply-to » Testing mentions, immediately followed by commas. Let's see: @prologic, this one is local, it might not break. Now, this one @ isn't local. Nor this @ one. Will they break. Let's find out!

@bender@twtxt.net I can fix and make that work in the parser too. But I’m no longer sure how to cater for the general case. It’s too much to support all punctuation whilst at the same time as other contradicting rules. For example you cannot both support . in nicknames and then expect to be able to to end a mention with a . 🤦‍♂️

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In-reply-to » I'll see if I can fix this and write a test case for what's going on here. I think this is made difficult now because folks like @eapl.me decide that it's okay to have a . (period) in their # nick 🤣 tbh I think nick(s) should have rules of what they can and cannot be comprised of. i.e: no punctuation 🤦‍♂️

@bender@twtxt.net Yes I know 🤣 It’s okay, we just have to build better parsers 😅

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In-reply-to » I'll see if I can fix this and write a test case for what's going on here. I think this is made difficult now because folks like @eapl.me decide that it's okay to have a . (period) in their # nick 🤣 tbh I think nick(s) should have rules of what they can and cannot be comprised of. i.e: no punctuation 🤦‍♂️

@prologic@twtxt.net having rules like this on a decentralised system is nearly impossible. LOL. Ahhh, one of the many perks of decentralisation!

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In-reply-to » @bender This story just reminds me of the couple of times we've paid for things in cash 💰 💲 and the stupid banks with the ridiculous "scam alert policy" ask you all kind of dumb ass questions about what you need the cash for 🤦‍♂️ One of these days I need an excuse to buy something that costs a few $k just so I can answer when asked, "what do you need the cash for?" to which my response will be "drugs and hookers of course!" 🤣

@bender@twtxt.net LOL 😂

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In-reply-to » @bender This story just reminds me of the couple of times we've paid for things in cash 💰 💲 and the stupid banks with the ridiculous "scam alert policy" ask you all kind of dumb ass questions about what you need the cash for 🤦‍♂️ One of these days I need an excuse to buy something that costs a few $k just so I can answer when asked, "what do you need the cash for?" to which my response will be "drugs and hookers of course!" 🤣

@prologic@twtxt.net I would say “We are going to the adult’s toy store for our yearly haul”, though “going to a house of burlesque” would work too! LOL.

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In-reply-to » "A handbag belonging to the homeland security secretary Kristi Noem containing her passport, department security badge and $3,000 in cash was stolen on Sunday night at a restaurant in Washington, the department confirmed."

@bender@twtxt.net This story just reminds me of the couple of times we’ve paid for things in cash 💰 💲 and the stupid banks with the ridiculous “scam alert policy” ask you all kind of dumb ass questions about what you need the cash for 🤦‍♂️ One of these days I need an excuse to buy something that costs a few $k just so I can answer when asked, “what do you need the cash for?” to which my response will be “drugs and hookers of course!” 🤣

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In-reply-to » After reading you, @eapl.me, I'll tell you my point of view. In my opinion, a feed does not have to be equivalent to a timeline. A timeline is a representation of the feed adapted to a user. You may not be interested in seeing other people's threads or DMs. But perhaps they are interested in seeing mentions or DMs directed at them. It is important not to fall into the trap. With that clarification... I insist, this is my point of view, it is not an absolute truth: I don't think extensions should be respectful of customers who are no longer maintained. We cannot have a system that is simple, backwards compatible and extensible all at the same time. We have to give up some of the 3 points. I would not like to give up simplicity because it will then make it harder to maintain the customers who do stay. Therefore, I think it is better to give up backwards compatibility and play with new formulas in the extensions. I don't think it's a good idea to make a hash keep so much load: a hashtag, a thread and also a DM.

@bender@twtxt.net The DM specification has been updated from time to time in response to advice from the community. For me, It is a successful!
The adoption is another topic 😂
(I am working on my side)

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In-reply-to » Btw @andros ; The automated feed you put together for Hacker News... Does it at any point rewrite parts of the feed as it goes along? 🤔 I've had to unfollow it because I've found in practise it makes a twt, then seems to modify that same twt (observed by content manually) at least twice. This ends up becoming effectively an "Edit" and essentially duplicate (looking) posts 😢

@doesnm.p.psf.lt@doesnm.p.psf.lt Remind me alter 🙏

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In-reply-to » Btw @andros ; The automated feed you put together for Hacker News... Does it at any point rewrite parts of the feed as it goes along? 🤔 I've had to unfollow it because I've found in practise it makes a twt, then seems to modify that same twt (observed by content manually) at least twice. This ends up becoming effectively an "Edit" and essentially duplicate (looking) posts 😢

@prologic@twtxt.net @andros@twtxt.andros.dev You can delete these feeds (created by me):
https://feeds.twtxt.net/project26/twtxt.txt
https://lor.sh/@Katze_942.rss <- i’m added him but can’t find file
the only rss i follow is https://feeds.twtxt.net/posts-from-atdarkcat09atdc09-ru/twtxt.txt

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In-reply-to » rough day today T__T therapy was hard. i'm trying yet again to establish a routine and stick to it. or at least a way of tracking my tasks and making a routine out of that over time. i really hope it sticks

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz creating habits or rituals as hard, dropping ones that you no longer need or considered harmful is even harder! Good luck! 🙏

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In-reply-to » Today's stroll was really nice. Just around 11km in total I'd reckon. We had a barbie at a mate's garden where everybody went on a hunt for an easter basket. Oh boy, what a preparation that must have been! Baking the bunnies, dying the eggs, mixing the bear leek butter and so on. That's dedication, let me tell you. :-)

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org so cute and so pretty!

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In-reply-to » @andros nothing stands still, I agree. I think current twtxt has surpassed the initial specification, while still being relatively backwards compliant/compatible but, for how long?

@bender@twtxt.net You said:

as long as those working on clients can reach an agreement on how to move forward. That has proven, though, to be a pickle in the past.

I think this is because we probably need to start thinking about three different aspects to the ecosystem and document them out:

  • Specifications (as they are now)
  • Server recommendations (e.g: Timeline, yarnd, etc)
  • Client recommendations (e.g: jenny, tt, tt2, twet, etc)

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In-reply-to » "A handbag belonging to the homeland security secretary Kristi Noem containing her passport, department security badge and $3,000 in cash was stolen on Sunday night at a restaurant in Washington, the department confirmed."

@bender@twtxt.net wut?! Who carries three grand worth of cash in their handbag?! 👜 Haha 😆

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In-reply-to » Today's stroll was really nice. Just around 11km in total I'd reckon. We had a barbie at a mate's garden where everybody went on a hunt for an easter basket. Oh boy, what a preparation that must have been! Baking the bunnies, dying the eggs, mixing the bear leek butter and so on. That's dedication, let me tell you. :-)

@bender@twtxt.net Thanks! The rain rapidly cooled off the 17°C to just 10°C. I certainly appreciated that. The weather is coming from the west here, so I thought you’ve sent it our way. Let me try to return it. :-)

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In-reply-to » Today's stroll was really nice. Just around 11km in total I'd reckon. We had a barbie at a mate's garden where everybody went on a hunt for an easter basket. Oh boy, what a preparation that must have been! Baking the bunnies, dying the eggs, mixing the bear leek butter and so on. That's dedication, let me tell you. :-)

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org oh, and thanks for the bigger photo! I like how it lovely fill the twtxt in Yarnd. Woot!

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In-reply-to » Today's stroll was really nice. Just around 11km in total I'd reckon. We had a barbie at a mate's garden where everybody went on a hunt for an easter basket. Oh boy, what a preparation that must have been! Baking the bunnies, dying the eggs, mixing the bear leek butter and so on. That's dedication, let me tell you. :-)

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org I can see somebody put a good effort coming up with some pretty cool goodies! We, Floridians, envy your proper April weather. We are toasting already, and it is not even May. Send us some rain, please!

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In-reply-to » After reading you, @eapl.me, I'll tell you my point of view. In my opinion, a feed does not have to be equivalent to a timeline. A timeline is a representation of the feed adapted to a user. You may not be interested in seeing other people's threads or DMs. But perhaps they are interested in seeing mentions or DMs directed at them. It is important not to fall into the trap. With that clarification... I insist, this is my point of view, it is not an absolute truth: I don't think extensions should be respectful of customers who are no longer maintained. We cannot have a system that is simple, backwards compatible and extensible all at the same time. We have to give up some of the 3 points. I would not like to give up simplicity because it will then make it harder to maintain the customers who do stay. Therefore, I think it is better to give up backwards compatibility and play with new formulas in the extensions. I don't think it's a good idea to make a hash keep so much load: a hashtag, a thread and also a DM.

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev nothing stands still, I agree. I think current twtxt has surpassed the initial specification, while still being relatively backwards compliant/compatible but, for how long?

As for new extensions (DM, for example), they should be OK as long as those working on clients can reach an agreement on how to move forward. That has proven, though, to be a pickle in the past.

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In-reply-to » Btw @andros ; The automated feed you put together for Hacker News... Does it at any point rewrite parts of the feed as it goes along? 🤔 I've had to unfollow it because I've found in practise it makes a twt, then seems to modify that same twt (observed by content manually) at least twice. This ends up becoming effectively an "Edit" and essentially duplicate (looking) posts 😢

@prologic@twtxt.net I won’t give you the link for the moment because I want to check how well it works! 😋

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This code displays the last 10 lines of a twtxt feed without a full dowload.

FEED_URL="https://twtxt.net/user/prologic/twtxt.txt"
MAX_RANGE=$(curl -sI $FEED_URL | grep -i 'content-length' | awk '{print $2}' | tr -d '\r')
MIN_RANGE=$((MAX_RANGE - 5000))

curl -s --range "$MIN_RANGE-$MAX_RANGE" "$FEED_URL" | grep -v -e '^#' -e '^$' | head -n 10

My self-response!

@prologic@twtxt.net @david@collantes.us

#twtxt

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In-reply-to » @bender I use it. It's not the feature I use the most in the fediverse, but I communicate this way with several friends. For example, it's the main way I talk to the original creator of the twtxt-el repository, the way people greet me for the first time or the way they notify me of some bugs in the software I maintain. I can even tell you that it's the main way I talk to some maintainers of the Emacs community. If there are any of you reading my words, speak up! Why not have the same? There are things I want to say to @prologic in private, why should I have to send him an email or private IRC? Or an public twt. Of course, here's a topic we've already talked about: what is twtxt for you? For me it will always be a social network, in microblogging format, but an asynchronous way of communicating. And having a tool to control visibility is basic 😄 I look forward to hearing from you @eapl.me !

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev Zulu said:

what is twtxt for you?

For me Twtxt is just the underlying format that Yarn.social builds upon 😅

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In-reply-to » Btw @andros ; The automated feed you put together for Hacker News... Does it at any point rewrite parts of the feed as it goes along? 🤔 I've had to unfollow it because I've found in practise it makes a twt, then seems to modify that same twt (observed by content manually) at least twice. This ends up becoming effectively an "Edit" and essentially duplicate (looking) posts 😢

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev Ahh cool! I’ll try following it again 🤣 Mind @-mentioning/linking@twtxt.net the feed again? 🙏

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In-reply-to » Proposal: Change the order of twts in the feeds https://git.mills.io/yarnsocial/twtxt.dev/issues/26 I drop the bomb and leave! 💣 🏃‍➡️ #twtxt

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev Haha 🤣 We’ve explored this idea in the past and we decided that it’s actually a good idea to have an “append-only” feed for various reasons. We’ve also explored the idea of using Range requests, but opted instead to just archive/rotate our feeds periodically 😅 There really isn’t much point in having a feed in reverse chronological order, except (maybe?) so a human read view the new twts at the top of the file?! 🤣

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In-reply-to » @prologic @bender @eapl.me I think opening another file is a bad idea because it adds complexity to the clients, breaks the single feed and I think keeping legacy clients will be more complex to add new features in the future. A modern approach is important. I'll be honest, I'm a bit tired of the fight around the direct message. Perhaps, we can remove it as an extension and use the alternative @prologic . My suggestion apparently doesn't like to the community. I have no problem with remove it.

@bender@twtxt.net I use it. It’s not the feature I use the most in the fediverse, but I communicate this way with several friends. For example, it’s the main way I talk to the original creator of the twtxt-el repository, the way people greet me for the first time or the way they notify me of some bugs in the software I maintain. I can even tell you that it’s the main way I talk to some maintainers of the Emacs community. If there are any of you reading my words, speak up!
Why not have the same? There are things I want to say to @prologic@twtxt.net in private, why should I have to send him an email or private IRC? Or an public twt.
Of course, here’s a topic we’ve already talked about: what is twtxt for you? For me it will always be a social network, in microblogging format, but an asynchronous way of communicating. And having a tool to control visibility is basic 😄
I look forward to hearing from you @eapl.me@eapl.me !

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In-reply-to » @david @andros The correct hash would be si4er3q. See https://twtxt.dev/exts/twt-hash.html, a timezone offset of +00:00 or -00:00 must be replaced by Z.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de @aelaraji@aelaraji.com Yes @david@collantes.us It would be good for me, or new developers, if the documentation were agnostic. And if possible with many example cases. I’m fine-tuning the code as you inform me of bugs, trial and error. It’s a lesson to be learned for the future.

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In-reply-to » Btw @andros ; The automated feed you put together for Hacker News... Does it at any point rewrite parts of the feed as it goes along? 🤔 I've had to unfollow it because I've found in practise it makes a twt, then seems to modify that same twt (observed by content manually) at least twice. This ends up becoming effectively an "Edit" and essentially duplicate (looking) posts 😢

@prologic@twtxt.net Sorry! I have fixed a bug and I edited the feed 🫠

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