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↳ In-reply-to » Hmmm... Something ain't right. What did I break this time?

I don’t know why, but either Jenny’s behaving different after the last update, or I Fucked up something and I have no Idea how to fix it.

Symptoms:

  • I don’t have copies of my New Posts in my Maildir after posting them (as in I don’t see them in neomutt’s inbox).
  • Nor fetch or fetch context (if they get replied to) seem to fech them auto-magically.
  • I had to do a full whipe (~/Maildir/twtxt and ~/.cache/jenny) in order to get them fetched back.

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↳ In-reply-to » (#6icxocaexwil) @GabesArcade The no-JS part is one thing, but you also have to disable the (nowadays common) forced-HTTP-to-HTTPS-redirect, because those old browsers can’t do modern crypto. And make sure that your webserver serves the correct page even if no Host header is sent by the client. And don’t even think about serving UTF-8 or even just putting utf-8 in the content type. šŸ˜… And for the JPEG thumbnails I pass a special flag to ImageMagick so that IBM Web Explorer from OS/2 won’t trip. 🤣 And always use link rel="stylesheet" for CSS, because some browsers render inlined CSS as literal text. And … probably more that I forgot by now. šŸ˜‚

@bender@twtxt.net Oh my god! šŸ˜… That’s worth a small fortune on eBay. 🤣

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↳ In-reply-to » (#6icxocaexwil) @GabesArcade The no-JS part is one thing, but you also have to disable the (nowadays common) forced-HTTP-to-HTTPS-redirect, because those old browsers can’t do modern crypto. And make sure that your webserver serves the correct page even if no Host header is sent by the client. And don’t even think about serving UTF-8 or even just putting utf-8 in the content type. šŸ˜… And for the JPEG thumbnails I pass a special flag to ImageMagick so that IBM Web Explorer from OS/2 won’t trip. 🤣 And always use link rel="stylesheet" for CSS, because some browsers render inlined CSS as literal text. And … probably more that I forgot by now. šŸ˜‚

@movq@www.uninformativ.de see anything you like here? 🤭

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↳ In-reply-to » Anyone using XMPP? I've been hearing a lot about how it is the OG messaging protocol. That G00gle Talk used to use it as a back-end, that FB messanger and w_hatsapp use some modified version of it or something; And that setting up a server (or even using a public one) would be a better alternative to the aforementioned apps, so I did. Now the question is: "Where the Fu__ are my video calls at!!? 🤣" ... The protocol supports videoconferencing and I'm yet to find a decent Desktop/Mobile client that implements it. I wish I knew enough Code-Fu to contribute/help implement some, somewhere.

@arne@uplegger.eu I’ve tried Matrix before, it was all good and dandy until servers started getting spammed with stuff no sane human being should see (if you know what I men). So, I took down my server and never looked back.

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↳ In-reply-to » Anyone using XMPP? I've been hearing a lot about how it is the OG messaging protocol. That G00gle Talk used to use it as a back-end, that FB messanger and w_hatsapp use some modified version of it or something; And that setting up a server (or even using a public one) would be a better alternative to the aforementioned apps, so I did. Now the question is: "Where the Fu__ are my video calls at!!? 🤣" ... The protocol supports videoconferencing and I'm yet to find a decent Desktop/Mobile client that implements it. I wish I knew enough Code-Fu to contribute/help implement some, somewhere.

Wow! @arne@uplegger.eu isn’t kidding! See: https://rz.uni-greifswald.de/dienste/allgemein/instant-messaging-chat/

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↳ In-reply-to » Anyone using XMPP? I've been hearing a lot about how it is the OG messaging protocol. That G00gle Talk used to use it as a back-end, that FB messanger and w_hatsapp use some modified version of it or something; And that setting up a server (or even using a public one) would be a better alternative to the aforementioned apps, so I did. Now the question is: "Where the Fu__ are my video calls at!!? 🤣" ... The protocol supports videoconferencing and I'm yet to find a decent Desktop/Mobile client that implements it. I wish I knew enough Code-Fu to contribute/help implement some, somewhere.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Welcome to the University Computer Centre Greifswald, where we like FLOSS and have never known fear or money!

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↳ In-reply-to » Anyone using XMPP? I've been hearing a lot about how it is the OG messaging protocol. That G00gle Talk used to use it as a back-end, that FB messanger and w_hatsapp use some modified version of it or something; And that setting up a server (or even using a public one) would be a better alternative to the aforementioned apps, so I did. Now the question is: "Where the Fu__ are my video calls at!!? 🤣" ... The protocol supports videoconferencing and I'm yet to find a decent Desktop/Mobile client that implements it. I wish I knew enough Code-Fu to contribute/help implement some, somewhere.

@arne@uplegger.eu You have Matrix at work? No Teams, Google Chat, Slack, Discord, whatever, but Matrix? Really? Where do you work, is this Socialist Russia?!

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↳ In-reply-to » Anyone using XMPP? I've been hearing a lot about how it is the OG messaging protocol. That G00gle Talk used to use it as a back-end, that FB messanger and w_hatsapp use some modified version of it or something; And that setting up a server (or even using a public one) would be a better alternative to the aforementioned apps, so I did. Now the question is: "Where the Fu__ are my video calls at!!? 🤣" ... The protocol supports videoconferencing and I'm yet to find a decent Desktop/Mobile client that implements it. I wish I knew enough Code-Fu to contribute/help implement some, somewhere.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I don’t. but i do use IRC so hmmm 🧐

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↳ In-reply-to » Anyone using XMPP? I've been hearing a lot about how it is the OG messaging protocol. That G00gle Talk used to use it as a back-end, that FB messanger and w_hatsapp use some modified version of it or something; And that setting up a server (or even using a public one) would be a better alternative to the aforementioned apps, so I did. Now the question is: "Where the Fu__ are my video calls at!!? 🤣" ... The protocol supports videoconferencing and I'm yet to find a decent Desktop/Mobile client that implements it. I wish I knew enough Code-Fu to contribute/help implement some, somewhere.

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com At work we used to have XMPP/Jabber Chat-Clients but now they are obsolete, due to the introduction of Matrix.

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↳ In-reply-to » Anyone using XMPP? I've been hearing a lot about how it is the OG messaging protocol. That G00gle Talk used to use it as a back-end, that FB messanger and w_hatsapp use some modified version of it or something; And that setting up a server (or even using a public one) would be a better alternative to the aforementioned apps, so I did. Now the question is: "Where the Fu__ are my video calls at!!? 🤣" ... The protocol supports videoconferencing and I'm yet to find a decent Desktop/Mobile client that implements it. I wish I knew enough Code-Fu to contribute/help implement some, somewhere.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org How many people are still using XMPP? šŸ¤” I’d expect the number to just as low as IRC users? šŸ¤”

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↳ In-reply-to » Also, if bots/spsiders hit your feed, they are showing as followers. Certainly not true. Right now I am blocking all bots, but that’s not the proper approach, I think.

@bender@twtxt.net Please create an issue for this too! Probably against twtd right? We should validate new fetchers and see if they are real clients or not. I think yarnd already does ybis quite well? 🧐

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@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org simplified it a little bit. Using only *bot* will bring collateral damage I want to avoid (there are, still some ā€œgoodā€ bots):

@aibots {
      header_regexp User-Agent (?i)(GPTBot|ChatGPT|OAI-Search|anthropic|Claude|Google-Extended|FacebookBot|CCBot|Perplexity|Applebot-Extended|cohere|Omgili|Bytespider)
}
abort @aibots

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↳ In-reply-to » And if we can compile a list and file issues for feeds, twtxt.app and anything else as issues for when i get back šŸ™ feature requests, bug reports. etc šŸ¤ž

@prologic@twtxt.net I linked you some of my findings on the twtxt.app on IRC. The main problem is the hashing. Totally broken. But you have got to give it some thought, because GitHub hosting of the feed is tricky (even more so if they are CNAMEing their domain to it). It is also finicky because Pages is auto-enabled on username.github.io, so actions must run each time you twt.

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And if we can compile a list and file issues for feeds, twtxt.app and anything else as issues for when i get back šŸ™ feature requests, bug reports. etc šŸ¤ž

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↳ In-reply-to » Very hot above 30°C, but luckily also incredibly cloudy and a lot of wind. That's what we got today. My mate and I went on a quick stroll this evening and got a surprise killer sunset: https://lyse.isobeef.org/abendhimmel-2026-07-07/

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org 07, right there, is my favourite. That’s not to say I don’t like the rest. I love them all! I don’t think I would ever get tired of enjoying that view, each and every day. šŸ˜

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↳ In-reply-to » Anyone using XMPP? I've been hearing a lot about how it is the OG messaging protocol. That G00gle Talk used to use it as a back-end, that FB messanger and w_hatsapp use some modified version of it or something; And that setting up a server (or even using a public one) would be a better alternative to the aforementioned apps, so I did. Now the question is: "Where the Fu__ are my video calls at!!? 🤣" ... The protocol supports videoconferencing and I'm yet to find a decent Desktop/Mobile client that implements it. I wish I knew enough Code-Fu to contribute/help implement some, somewhere.

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com I do use XMPP. But only the text chat part. ;-)

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@aelaraji@aelaraji.com wow, look who the cat dragged in! šŸ˜‚ I was thinking about you just yesterday, when testing the twtxt.app, and seeing your avatar photo broken. And today, here you are! Nice to ā€œseeā€ you mate!

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@GabesArcade@gabesarcade.com The no-JS part is one thing, but you also have to disable the (nowadays common) forced-HTTP-to-HTTPS-redirect, because those old browsers can’t do modern crypto. And make sure that your webserver serves the correct page even if no Host header is sent by the client. And don’t even think about serving UTF-8 or even just putting utf-8 in the content type. šŸ˜… And for the JPEG thumbnails I pass a special flag to ImageMagick so that IBM Web Explorer from OS/2 won’t trip. 🤣 And always use link rel="stylesheet" for CSS, because some browsers render inlined CSS as literal text. And … probably more that I forgot by now. šŸ˜‚

@david@daiwei.me Not sure, actually. Let’s see. Those are the ones where I still have the original disks (or have bought them on eBay again):

  • SuSE Linux 6.4 (it’s a massive 7 CD distro with a huge manual, best thing ever)
  • OS/2 2.1
  • OS/2 Warp 3 (red and blue spine because $reasons)
  • OS/2 Warp 4
  • PC DOS 7
  • MS-DOS 6.22
  • Windows 3.1
  • Windows for Workgroups 3.11
  • Windows 95 C
  • Windows 98
  • Windows NT 4 Workstation (still in the mail, though šŸ˜…)
  • Windows 2000
  • Windows XP Professional (last Windows I ever used on my private PCs)

(Plus a few ā€œclassicā€ office products as can be seen here: https://movq.de/blog/postings/2024-05-23/0/POSTING-en.html )

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↳ In-reply-to » Okay, wow. Windows NT 4 wasn’t part of my timeline back then, so this is the first time I’m seeing it in action. And this thing came with IE 2, which I’ve also never seen before. (That’s interesting, because I remember using IE even on Win 3.x, but apparently that was already IE 3?)

As an example, this is a thread @GabesArcade@gabesarcade.com’s Arcade@gabesarcade.com and @david@daiwei.me carried all on twtxt.app, no issues: https://twtxt.net/conv/r4uf52ggwseh

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↳ In-reply-to » Okay, wow. Windows NT 4 wasn’t part of my timeline back then, so this is the first time I’m seeing it in action. And this thing came with IE 2, which I’ve also never seen before. (That’s interesting, because I remember using IE even on Win 3.x, but apparently that was already IE 3?)

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I figure there is a bug somewhere, but where?

Screenshot from twtxt.app of a thread not showing on twtxt.net

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@david@daiwei.me as you alter ego, I seriously recommend you stop creating feeds left and right. But whom am I kidding, right?! šŸ˜…

I wonder how long will it take to show a follower on twtd. It only shows the feed’s owner, so far.

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↳ In-reply-to » @arne Das "alte" RechenzentrumsgebƤude wurde 2020 leer gezogen und einige Jahre spƤter abgerissen. Einen kleinen Einblick ins Innere gibt es in der URZ-Chronik von 2009.

@arne@uplegger.eu Whoah! ā€žSchaffung eines Aufenthaltsraumes für Nichtraucher!ā€œ Irre, dass es einen solchen vor dem 1. Mai 1975 nicht gab. Kann man sich heute überhaupt nicht vorstellen.

Cool, schƶnes Heftchen hast Du da gesetzt. :-) Die Lochkartenanzahlen sind auch der absolute Wahnsinn.

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↳ In-reply-to » @GabesArcade Did you by change edit or otherwise delete the Twt you replied to (2nd last in your feed) with the reply/thread id lleeypvkzbw2? That Twt was never ingested by twtxt.net (and likely the search engine) so umm hmmm threading breaks 🤣

Oh if we’re talking about the twtxt.app client, that’s a different story. I still consider that alpha/beta quality. Lemme look into that. It has it’s own cache of course (using IndexDB) and it’s entirely possible some behaviours are still not quite right yet…

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↳ In-reply-to » @GabesArcade Did you by change edit or otherwise delete the Twt you replied to (2nd last in your feed) with the reply/thread id lleeypvkzbw2? That Twt was never ingested by twtxt.net (and likely the search engine) so umm hmmm threading breaks 🤣

@GabesArcade@gabesarcade.com Yes, because if you edit/delete a Twt after the ecosystem has ingested it, well there then are two versions šŸ˜… Just be aware of edits/deletes, especially if someone has already replied to said Twt 🤣

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