@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org i dont mind if the hash is not backward compatible but im not sure if this is the right way to proceed because the added complexity dealing with two hash versions isnt justified

regular end users wont care to understand how twt hashes are formed, they just want to use twtxt! so i guess i could work in protecting users from themselves by disallowing post edits on old posts or posts with replies, but i’m not fond of this either really. if they want to break a thread, they can just delete the post (though i’ve noticed yarn handling post deletes dubiously…)

on activitypub i do genuinely find myself looking through several month or even year old posts sometimes and deciding to edit/reword them a little to be slightly less confusing, this should be trivial to handle on twtxt which is an infinitely simpler specification

@bender@twtxt.net @thecanine@twtxt.net well now this has me thinking abt the feasibility of making an android twtxt app for pods, the actual apis of pods would have to be standardized (or the fucked up way that activitypub does it, where the “mastodon api” is the defacto client api (does yarn even have an api reference?)) or the client is just simply..a client..but editing feeds via PUT, PATCH, DELETE etc. is standardized!…? (not to mention i dont even know where to begin making an android app lmao)

@dce@hashnix.club twtxt is quite light, and trouble-free. Welcome! I also run an ActivityPub server, but yeah, more often around here than there.

@bmallred@staystrong.run You mean ActivityPub + Twtxt? 🤔

@bender@twtxt.net I knew you wouldn’t be interested in a Twtxt+ActivityPub 😂 Now I have to go figure out what “monosyllabic replies” means 🤣

So… I wanna take a stab at the #ActivityPub bee hive, but I’m not sure what to pick up, a #Gotosocial pocket knife or a #Snac2 bamboo stick? Any thoughts?

@prologic@twtxt.net Yarn repo has 88 issues open, some related to ActivityPub. Why you do not close it?

@movq@www.uninformativ.de let’s host yarnd! Or maybe wait until @prologic@twtxt.net return activitypub support which deleted in this commit

pls elaborate on a ‘p2p database’, ‘all story’ and ‘Registries’.

My first thought takes me to something like secure-scuttlebutt which it’s painful to sync data using clients, and too slow compared to downloading a text file.

Also I’d like for twtxt to avoid becoming an ActivityPub. Works well but it’s uses too many resources IMO.
https://kingant.net/2025/02/mastodon-the-cost-of-running-my-own-server/

I’m defending being able to self-host your Web client (like you’d do with a Wordpress, twtxt is a micrologging, at the end), instead of federated instances, so in a first thought I’d say Registries have many disadvantages being the first one that someone has to maintain them active.

If we don’t keep insisting on simplify and “The beauty of twtxt is, you put one file on your server, done. One.”, then people should just use ActivityPub-based software like Mastodon, PixelFed, etc. which are getting a lot of attention and uses migrating to the fediverse from meta/x here in Denmark over the last couple of months.

@eapl.me@eapl.me I couldn’t care less about ActivityPub, but twtxt is the thing for hackers by design. That’s the appealing part for me, personally. I actually do enjoy that not everybody and their dogs are here. :-)

@thecanine@twtxt.net I agree!

Something interesting to think about for twtxt, the microblogging for hackers and friends…

The biggest challenge of ActivityPub is that it’s too technical to easily explain to regular people. Nobody is interested in a jargon-laden diatribe about servers and federation. When simple questions have overly complex answers, people tend to switch off.
https://activitypub.ghost.org/your-thoughts-on-onboarding/

@prologic@twtxt.net @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org First, please leave me your comments on the repository! Even if it’s just to give your opinion on what shouldn’t be included. The more variety, the better.

Second, I’m going to try to do tests with Elliptic keys and base64. Thanks for the advice @eapl@eapl.me

Finally, I’d like to give my opinion. Secure direct messages are a feature that ActivityPub and Mastodon don’t have, to give an example. By including it as an extension, we’re already taking a significant leap forward from the competition. Does it make sense to include it in a public feed? In fact, we’re already doing that. When we reply to a user, mentioning them at the beginning of the message, it’s already a direct message. The message is within a thread, perhaps breaking the conversation. Direct messages would help isolate conversations between 2 users, as well as keeping a thread cleaner and maintaining privacy. I insist, it’s optional, it doesn’t break compatibility with any client and implementing it isn’t complex. If you don’t like it, you’re free to not use it. If you don’t have a public key, no one can send you direct messages.

@doesnmppsflt@doesnm.p.psf.lt Not sure which bug you’re referring to. 🤔 (Did I forget?)

Those long IDs like (#113797927355322708) are simply part of that feed. Looks like the author just dumps ActivityPub IDs into twtxt. I think this used to work in the past, but the corresponding spec (https://twtxt.dev/exts/hash-tag.html) has been deprecated and jenny doesn’t support – actually, jenny never supported that.

jenny can only group threads by exactly one criterium (because it writes a Message-ID into the mail file) and that’s the regular twt hash. So, anything else, like people doing “#CoolTopic”, isn’t possible.

I’m just having a similar issue with a podcast I just uploaded on Castopod (which supports ActivityPub).

My first thought was creating a subdomain with the name of the podcast mordiscos.eapl.me

Then I watched that the software allows many podcasts in the same domain, so I had to pick a handle:
https://mordiscos.eapl.me/@podcast

So now I have @podcast@mordiscos.eapl.me when this one is ‘more correct’ @mordiscos@podcast.eapl.me or it could even be @mordiscos.eapl.me
I wasn’t aware of all that when I setup Castopod (documentation might improve a lot, IMO)

My point here is that it’s something important to think from the start, otherwise is painful to change if it’s already being used like that.

@prologic@twtxt.net maybe you meant to specify twtxt as a type similar to ActivityPub’s application/activity+json in https://webfinger.net/lookup/?resource=sorenpeter@norrebro.space

    {
      "rel": "self",
      "type": "application/activity+json",
      "href": "https://norrebro.space/users/sorenpeter"
    },

Then it would also make sense to define a Link Relations but should that then link to something like https://twtxt.dev/webfinger.html where we can describe the spec?

You need quant computer to host these key services. Nobody will do that. ActivityPub/Twtxt instance can be hosted on calculator

@bender@twtxt.net hmm, I wonder if these are simply twtxts auto created from an ActivityPub feed. Ah, crap, they are. LOL.

@prologic@twtxt.net yeah, I ran out of space again. also have the activitypub stuff turned off (just so you know).

ActivityPub – The evolution of RSS ?~L~X https://notiz.blog/b/70W

Started on a activitypub client, gtk4, c, made on OpenBSD, been quite nice learning experience so far, a bit adjustment from the usual way I do things. I have not done a project in pure c before.
Got token stuff sorted, and posting, next is getting the timeline (and gui for that etc).

@prologic@twtxt.net I will stick around, after thinking about it. Im sure support for both will come. Maybe Ill check if I can make some support in snac2 for yarn, that would be a fun project. I also want to work some more on the yarn desktop client, I miss working on it, polish it and make it more feature complete, and then also make one for snac2/activitypub (or make it into a general client that supports both at the same time).

I’ll shut down this instance soon, I want to say thanks to all of you, especially @prologic@twtxt.net . It’s been fun here, but I do not spend much time here anymore - cutting down on the things I host and use \ spend time on etc.

I’ve been using activitypub more - since it’s more or less replaced ‘x’ for me, and can be reached at:
@stigatle@activitypub.stigatle.no

filmed a nice walk with Nanook today, you can watch it here : https://activitypub.stigatle.no/stigatle/p/1691503487.536879

Here is the takeoff and landing. The rope is quite thin, just about a shoestring, like parachute cord. You can see it in the video.

https://activitypub.stigatle.no/stigatle/p/1690143523.819668
https://activitypub.stigatle.no/stigatle/p/1690143474.932679

I understand your thoughts on this, but I would not call it a failure - because you learned a lot from it, and lots of things worked as well.
And there are alternatives for those who needs\wants activitypub, so I think also yarn\twtxt benefits from you focusing on that instead of dealing with the frustrations of activitypub integration. And maybe it’ll feel a bit better to put that on the backburner? :)

I’ve been thinking in the back of my mind for a while now, that the Yarn.social / twtxt + ActivityPub integration was a mistake and a. bad idea. I’m starting to consider it a complete failure.

I had issues with the current activitypub implementation here on yarn (people could not follow me properly) and I cannot see their posts and stuff like that, so I decided to host activitypub separate from here.
So I will turn it off here - and use this site has as before - but without activitypub turned on, and then do all my activitypub stuff over on that other service.
I can be added through: @stigatle@activitypub.stigatle.no
This does not affect the development of the desktop client, I will still work on that, I’m here to stay :) I just need a way to follow the others properly on the other services..

I did not want to join mastodon, and I did not want something complex to host, so I decided to set up Snac2 - https://codeberg.org/grunfink/snac2 . It’s super lightweight, easy to set up, and worked out of the box for what I was looking for.

@prologic@twtxt.net I like it, I get to follow some people I could not follow before, which I find useful.
But if you have second thoughts about it all - then I can understand that.
If you decide to pull the plug on it - then I’ll just get some additional activitypub service installed on my server and use that for that (I was thinking about installing this: https://github.com/tsileo/microblog.pub ) if needed.

Q: Is anyone actually finding the activitypub experimental feature I’ve been working on (for those running main) actually useful? 🤔 (because I’m not and having second thoughts…)

With all this ActivityPub hectic, it is still nice to have a super simple platform like Twttxt to get back to.

@prologic@twtxt.net Keep us updated as you think about what to do about activitypub! :) Also - what ever you decide to do - I totally understand.

And mostly whether it’s even a good idea at al, and if we should continue or not?

I think that activitypub in yarn is a great feature! And also one of the easier ones to set up and get going.
And as I said last week - I think it’s a important features - and will drive adoption.
It is optional as well - so if one does not want it - just not turn that feature on.

I personally was missing the fact that I could not easily follow others before you added activitypub, but now I can choose to follow them, which is great.

So who currently is running main or edge of Yarn.social’s yarnd on their pod and has activitypub and webfinger enabled? 🤔

@prologic@twtxt.net Thank you.
What I did was to just pull the latest, build deps and the server, then enable the features as you mention through command line, as soon as I add activitypub it fails with that error when it starts up.

@prologic@twtxt.net I start my yarnd through command line, is there a way to enable the activitypub that way? or do I need to do it some other way? (I compiled the latest source)

@ocdtrekkie@twtxt.net @bender@twtxt.net The whole ActivityPub integration of Gitea for so-called “Federation” (which btw is a bullshit term) is just total nonsense. I mean I “get it”, and understand the motivations behind it, but FFS, it would have been done without ActivityPub 🤦‍♂️

I’ve been exploring the Fediverse, ActivityPub protocol, Mastodon, etc.

I wonder if email would be a reasonable way to enable interaction on twtxt… something like publishing an email address for replies in the preamble of your feed, then like twtxt the rest is up to you, but I could imagine a simple moderation queue that could be checked periodically allowing the admin to move approved comments into some public space… I keep thinking I’ll add activitypub comments to my site but it seems more complex than I care for. Ironically because of available tooling email actually feels simpler for this… of course, there is spam…

ActivityPub für WordPress ?~L~X https://notiz.blog/b/593

@prologic@twtxt.net do you think twt will ever add ActivityPub integration?

#Funkwhale is looking for new maintainers ⋅ #Music #selfhosted #activitypub ⌘ https://blog.funkwhale.audio/~/Announcements/funkwhale-is-looking-for-new-maintainers

Pubcast - Federated podcasts on #ActivityPub ⌘ https://pubcast.pub/

watchlist for activitypub apps · Wiki · Feneas / Fediverse Party · GitLab ⌘ https://git.feneas.org/feneas/fediverse/-/wikis/watchlist-for-activitypub-apps

C+J Slep https://cjslep.com/c/blog/an-activitypub-philosophy

Bad idea of the day: 9p/activitypub bridge

ActivityPub https://www.w3.org/TR/2018/REC-activitypub-20180123/

And here I was pondering implementing ActivityPub. Who needs that when one can just poll thousands of feeds :p

activitypub/rwot/even_more_distributed_activitypub.org · master · Christopher Allan Webber / talks · GitLab https://gitlab.com/dustyweb/talks/blob/master/activitypub/rwot/even_more_distributed_activitypub.org