@quark@ferengi.one No can do! I can’t see any of the replies to that thread, not even mine LOL. let me se if I can fetch @sorenpeter@darch.dk ’s feed with the https link.

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Subject: The [tag URI scheme](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tag_URI_scheme) looks interesting. I like that it human read- and writable. And since we already got the timestamp in the twtxt.txt it would be
        somewhat trivial to parse. But there are still the issue with what the name/id should be... Maybe it doesn't have to bee that stick? Instead of using `tag:` as the prefix/protocol, it would more it clear
        what we are talking about by using `in-reply-to:` (https://indieweb.org/in-reply-to) or `replyto:` similar to `mailto:` 1. `(reply:sorenpeter@darch.dk,2024-09-15T12:06:27Z)' 2.
        `(in-reply-to:darch.dk/twtxt.txt,2024-09-15T12:06:27Z)' 2. `(replyto:http://darch.dk/twtxt.txt,2024-09-15T12:06:27Z)' I know it's longer that 7-11 characters, but it's self-explaining when looking at the
        twtxt.txt in the raw, and the cases above can all be caught with this regex: `\([\w-]*reply[\w-]*\:` Is this something that would work?

Subject: The [tag URI scheme](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tag_URI_scheme) looks interesting. I like that it human read- and writable. And since we already got the timestamp in the twtxt.txt it would be
        somewhat trivial to parse. But there are still the issue with what the name/id should be... Maybe it doesn't have to bee that stick? Instead of using `tag:` as the prefix/protocol, it would more it clear
        what we are talking about by using `in-reply-to:` (https://indieweb.org/in-reply-to) or `replyto:` similar to `mailto:` 1. `(reply:sorenpeter@darch.dk,2024-09-15T12:06:27Z)` 2.
        `(in-reply-to:darch.dk/twtxt.txt,2024-09-15T12:06:27Z)` 3. `(replyto:http://darch.dk/twtxt.txt,2024-09-15T12:06:27Z)` I know it's longer that 7-11 characters, but it's self-explaining when looking at the
        twtxt.txt in the raw, and the cases above can all be caught with this regex: `\([\w-]*reply[\w-]*\:` Is this something that would work?

Notice the difference? Soren edited, and broke everything.

Two different “from” too:

"sorenpeter (soren)" <sorenpeter>
sorenpeter <sorenpeter>

See:

Message-Id: <hns535a@twtxt>
X-twtxt-feed-url: https://darch.dk/twtxt.txt
In-Reply-To: <pvju5cq@twtxt>

And

Message-Id: <weadxga@twtxt>
X-twtxt-feed-url: http://darch.dk/twtxt.txt
In-Reply-To: <pvju5cq@twtxt>

Two feed URLs, one HTTPS, the other HTTP.

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com no, it is not just you. Do fetch the parent with jenny, and you will see there are two messages with different hash. Soren did something funky, for sure.

@quark@ferengi.one here is an example: This Thread is not showing up in Mutt 🤔 Something is off!

I’ll set up jenny and mutt on another computer and see how it goes from there.

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com hmm, I see all of your twtxts just fine. Now, that’s a puzzle!

Something odd just happened to my twtxt timeline… A bunch of twts dissapered, others were marked to be deleted in mutt. so I nuked my whole twtxt Maildir and deleted my ~/.cache/jenny in order to start with a fresh Pull. I pulled feed as usual. Now like HALF the twts aren’t there 😂 even my my last replay. WTF IS GOING ON? 🤣🤣🤣

@sorenpeter@darch.dk All valid points. Maybe the correct way to do it should be to start a new feed at the new URL rather than move the feed and break all the hashes.

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com

switch a couple of twt timestamps

The hashes would change and your posts would become detached from their replies. Clients might still have the old one cached, so you might just create a duplicate without replies depending on an observer’s client.

add in 3 different twts manually with the same time stamp

The existing hash system should be able to keep them separate as long as the content is different. I’m not sure if there are additional implementation-related caveats there.

@prologic@twtxt.net @bender@twtxt.net As someone who likes cryptocurrencies for their utility as money instead of an investment, I’m glad to see the hype train start to move on to the next thing.

@sorenpeter@darch.dk

Also what are the change that the same human will make two different posts within the same second?!

Just out of curiosity, What would happen someday if I (maybe trolling) edit my twtxt.txt-file manually and switch/switch a couple of twt timestamps, or add in 3 different twts manually with the same time stamp?

@bender@twtxt.net Hahahahaha 🤣 Me neither 🤮

@prologic@twtxt.net It’s all I’m using … I have barely touched any other social media since I’ve discovered Twtxt back in April 😂 maybe a little bit of Mastodon and IRC, bluesky even less, but nothing else worth mentioning.

@bender@twtxt.net you’re probably right, but by that argument, cryptocurrency should be innate too right? as we no longer hear about that gold awful hype, right? 🤔

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Thanks mate! 🤗

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Haha same and I’m sick of it! It’s ruining innovation in anything else 🤦‍♂️

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Nice one 👌

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com it’s definitely your social bubble. 🤣 you need to use twtxt more as your daily driver 🤣

@prologic@twtxt.net didn’t it already? or is it just me and my social bubble? 🤔

@mckinley@twtxt.net Thanks for the feedback.

1. Yeah I agrees that nick sound not be part of syntax. Any valid URL to a twtxt.txt-file should be enough and is more clear, so it is not confused with a email (one of the the issues with webfinger and fedivese handles)
   
2. I think any valid URL would work, since we are not bound to look for exact matches. Accepting both http and https as well as a gemni and gophe could all work as long as the path to the twtxt.txt is the same.
   
3. My idea is that you quote the timestamp as it is in the original twtxt.txt that you are referring to, so you can do it by simply copy/pasting. Also what are the change that the same human will make two different posts within the same second?!
   

Regarding the whole cryptographic keys for identity, to me it seems like an unnecessary layer of complexity. If you move to a new house or city you tell people that you moved - you can do the same in a twtxt.txt. Just post something like “I move to this new URL, please follow me there!” I did that with my feeds at least twice, and you guys still seem to read my posts:)

@falsifian@www.falsifian.org @prologic@twtxt.net @sorenpeter@darch.dk @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org I think, maybe, the way forward here is to combine an unchanging feed identifier (e.g. a public key fingerprint) with a longer hash to create a “twt hash v2” spec. v1 hashes can continue to be used for old conversations depending on client support.

@sorenpeter@darch.dk That could work. There are a few things that jump out at me.

1. Nicknames on twtxt have historically been set on the client end. The nick metadata field is an optional add-on to the spec. I’m not sure it should be in the reply tag because it could differ between clients.
   
2. URLs are safer to use, and we use them in the hash currently, but they can still change and we’re back to square 1. Feeds ought to have some kind of persistent identifier for this reason, which is why we’ve been discussing cryptographic keys and tag URIs in the first place.
   
3. The current twt hash spec mandates collapsing the timestamp to seconds precision. If those rules are kept, two posts made within the same second will not be separate when someone replies.

The tag URI scheme looks interesting. I like that it human read- and writable. And since we already got the timestamp in the twtxt.txt it would be somewhat trivial to parse. But there are still the issue with what the name/id should be… Maybe it doesn’t have to bee that stick?

Instead of using tag: as the prefix/protocol, it would more it clear what we are talking about by using in-reply-to: (https://indieweb.org/in-reply-to) or replyto: similar to mailto:

1. (reply:sorenpeter@darch.dk,2024-09-15T12:06:27Z)
   
2. (in-reply-to:darch.dk/twtxt.txt,2024-09-15T12:06:27Z)
   
3. (replyto:http://darch.dk/twtxt.txt,2024-09-15T12:06:27Z)
   

I know it’s longer that 7-11 characters, but it’s self-explaining when looking at the twtxt.txt in the raw, and the cases above can all be caught with this regex: \([\w-]*reply[\w-]*\:

Is this something that would work?

Thank you @aelaraji@aelaraji.com, I’m glad you like it. I use PHP because it’s everywhere on cheap hosting and no need for the user to log into a terminal to setup it up. Timeline is not mean to be use locally. For that I think something like twtxt2html is a better fit. (and happy to see you using simple.css on you new log page;)

On my blog: Chosen https://john.colagioia.net/blog/2024/09/15/chosen.html #fiction #freeculture

That’s an interesting side effect to the new Discover feature that I added sometime ago that only displays one post per feed. That is when you’re not logged in and viewing my pod’s front page. You can pretty easily and roughly see what the monthly active view account is just by looking at the pager size. 🤔

Amazingly though it seems to be slightly better to VPN in. 🤔

But you know speedtest.net I believe is a bit of a liar and I’m quite sure they do something to make sure the speed test come up good even remote areas the real speed test my actual surfer infrastructure is quite piss poor 🤣

Even though we’re quite a ways from any suburban areas, even with the Internet access via cell towers this poor, using my pod is still very snappy. 👌

When will the AI hype die down?

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Thanks!

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@falsifian@www.falsifian.org TLS won’t help you if you change your domain name. How will people know if it’s really you? Maybe that’s not the biggest problem for something with such low stakes as twtxt, but it’s a reasonable concern that could be solved using signatures from an unchanging cryptographic key.

This idea is the basis of Nostr. Notes can be posted to many relays and every note is signed with your private key. It doesn’t matter where you get the note from, your client can verify its authenticity. That way, relays don’t need to be trusted.

@falsifian@www.falsifian.org One of the nice things I think is that you can almost assuredly trust that the hash is a correct representation of the thread because it was computed via our content, addressing in the first place, so all you need to do yes copy it 👌

@falsifian@www.falsifian.org I agree completely about backwards compatibility.

@bender@twtxt.net 🤣

@falsifian@www.falsifian.org Yeah that’s why we made them short 😅

@prologic@twtxt.net Brute force. I just hashed a bunch of versions of both tweets until I found a collision.

I mostly just wanted an excuse to write the program. I don’t know how I feel about actually using super-long hashes; could make the twts annoying to read if you prefer to view them untransformed.

@falsifian@www.falsifian.org I think I wrote a very similar program and go myself actually and you’re right we do have to change the way we encode hashes.

@falsifian@www.falsifian.org All very good points 👌 by the way, how did you find two pieces of content that hash the same when taking the last N characters of the base32 and coded hash?

@prologic@twtxt.net earlier you suggested extending hashes to 11 characters, but here’s an argument that they should be even longer than that.

Imagine I found this twt one day at https://example.com/twtxt.txt :

2024-09-14T22:00Z Useful backup command: rsync -a “$HOME” /mnt/backup

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and I responded with “(#5dgoirqemeq) Thanks for the tip!”. Then I’ve endorsed the twt, but it could latter get changed to

2024-09-14T22:00Z Useful backup command: rm -rf /some_important_directory

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which also has an 11-character base32 hash of 5dgoirqemeq. (I’m using the existing hashing method with https://example.com/twtxt.txt as the feed url, but I’m taking 11 characters instead of 7 from the end of the base32 encoding.)

That’s what I meant by “spoofing” in an earlier twt.

I don’t know if preventing this sort of attack should be a goal, but if it is, the number of bits in the hash should be at least two times log2(number of attempts we want to defend against), where the “two times” is because of the birthday paradox.

Side note: current hashes always end with “a” or “q”, which is a bit wasteful. Maybe we should take the first N characters of the base32 encoding instead of the last N.

Code I used for the above example: https://fossil.falsifian.org/misc/file?name=src/twt_collision/find_collision.c
I only needed to compute 43394987 hashes to find it.

@off_grid_living@twtxt.net Aww thanks! 🤗

There are certainly improvements that can be made to this tool.🤞

https://spiritualsprings.org/ss-1513.htm

And here the Tommos camp with Mum and Dad in the trailor at Myall Lakes.
Boy I could tell you some stories here, like the time we got dozens of spiders all in the tent one night, and the time Dad yelled to Bob to get the red belly black snake that crawled over Brains sleeping bag. Up I jump grab a shovel and cut the head off. silly me !! We camped out with all our partners too.

Karen was treated like family with the 5 siblings and Mum and Dad. It was a great time. Happy camping James on your birthday!

Here is a picture of me aged 1 yr in a bucket at Muttabun Sheep Station, a place near Goodooga in NSW.

This is what the old house at Sunshine looked at the back steps, demolished and changed by dad.
The picture is Grandma Thompson and Grandad Thompson, very special people to me.

And here is James with Emily as a very young boy

And this is a picture of James a few months old taken with all family making you a fifth generation with all family still alive

1 Great grandma Lacey aged 92
2 Nana Strong (holding James)
3 My Mum
4 Karen
5 James

Not too many can post something like this.

Here is a picture of Sunshine House in 1970, I am the tallest one at the back. The house got a new roof and some more bedrooms before you lived here after Belmont Hospital.

This message was posted at 4:24 AM. For my Son who is a night owl and I am an early riser, you would still be asleep. Many happy returns of the day !

Happy Birthday my Son, I guess you are still camping and celebrating your special day with family.
You were born on a Wednesday on 15 September 1982 at Belmont Hospital, which is a lovely low set place outside Newcastle, as you were brought home to live with my Mum and Dad at Sunshine in our first few months as a married couple, at Sunshine near Morriset NSW. Enjoy your special day.

Happy Birthday my Son, I guess you are still camping and celebrating your special day with family.
You were born on a Wednesday on 15 September 1982 at Belmont Hospital, which is a lovely low set place outside Newcastle, as you were brought home to live with my Mum and Dad at Sunshine in our first few months as a married couple. If you subtract 9 months and a bit, the term of your pregnancy, that makes your conception date a few days after our marriage, and the first time both of us had sexual intercourse together, sometime around Friday Saturday or Sunday beginning on 4th December 1981. We were married at Gosford and arrived in the Sydney Hilton Hotel on that evening Thursday 3rd December, it was such a quiet place so far above the street level, the tiny cars below looked like ants. Because you were the first child, we have special sessions each week to attend to learn how to be parents after your birth, and care for the Mum during your delivery. If I remember yours was a breech birth, the doctor had to turn you around somewhat before the normal course of action took place. Karen was brave, being only on gas. Enjoy your special day.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org brr, we have the same here. Starting to get cold riding motorcycle to work in the morning.

@prx@si3t.ch I haven’t messed with rdomains, but still it might help if you included the command that produced that error (and whether you ran it as root).

@prologic@twtxt.net

They’re in Section 6:

• Receiver should adopt UDP GRO. (Something about saving CPU processing UDP packets; I’m a but fuzzy about it.) And they have suggestions for making GRO more useful for QUIC.

• Some other receiver-side suggestions: “sending delayed QUICK ACKs”; “using recvmsg to read multiple UDF packets in a single system call”.

• Use multiple threads when receiving large files.

On my blog: Free Culture Book Club — Aumyr, part 2 https://john.colagioia.net/blog/2024/09/14/aumyr-2.html #freeculture #bookclub

We need more support summer software :(

@mckinley@twtxt.net

HTTPS is supposed to do

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@prologic@twtxt.net 🤯 HOLLY! … I’m definitely adding this to my Jenny’s publish_command script!! THANK YOU! Now my website has TWO pages instead of just a boring one 😂

New: Log Page

@prologic@twtxt.net Will try it right away!

Many thanks!

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com Have you considered https://git.mills.io/yarnsocial/twtxt2html

@sorenpeter@darch.dk !! I freaking love your Timeline … I kind of have an justified PHP phobia 😅 but, I’m definitely thinking about giving it a try!

/ME wondering if it’s possible to use it locally just to read and manage my feed at first and then maybe make it publicly accessible later.

On my blog: Toots 🦣 from 09/09 to 09/13 https://john.colagioia.net/blog/2024/09/13/week.html #linkdump #socialmedia #quotes #week

The #readchristie2024 for #September is “Ordeal by Innocence”, and in this #fridayreads I’m reading the Portuguese translation, than changes it’s title to “cabo da víbora”.

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@prologic@twtxt.net Hey, Best wishes! Have fun! 🥳

you can just have a web address.. i added mine.. though i think they have changed up the protocol so my key doesn’t seem to work anymore. https://key.sour.is/id/me@sour.is

@bender@twtxt.net Thanks! 🤗 – I know it will 🤣

Out camping with the family this weekend for my birthday 🥳

I think so 😅 Thanks$!🙇‍♂️

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@aelaraji@aelaraji.com Hah interesting 🤔

@prologic@twtxt.net you should see This ! The devs were already trying to figure things out for TWTXT and Yarn.social 😃

been rather uninterested in technology lately for some reason. it’s probably the US Election’s fault, since I live in the US and all

Já não fazia um toot sobre #traduções há muito tempo…

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@prologic@twtxt.net Thanks! I tried 😅

@prologic@twtxt.net No luck so far and it looks like I have plenty of reading to do tomorrow morning. 😅

@xuu@txt.sour.is What’s the keyoxide thingy you wrote/built? 🤔 What’s your URI/profile? 🤔

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com Sounds like it would work 👌 Though I’ve not tried or invested anytime into proofs and claims type things so far 🤔