just for the record I didn’t say I was leaving the twtxt ‘community’ (did I?) but than I have other priorities to focus on in the following months. Please don’t be condescending, is not cool.

Development of Timeline (PHP client) has been stale for some reasons, a few of them in my side, so I think it won’t be updated to the new thread model, at least pretty soon.
So is not that I’ll stop using twtxt, just the client I use won’t be compatible with the new model in July.

@bender@twtxt.net It’s great if I’m sitting on the balcony and horrible otherwise. Gah.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de absolutely yes!

@prologic@twtxt.net Not sure I’d attach any if clauses to this. My point is: Every time I see a hash, I’d like to have a hint as to where to find the corresponding twt.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I didn’t say I was leaving, just not that active here atm. I might be more active on mastodon at https://norrebro.space/@sorenpeter but I’m also rethinking that too tbh.

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Should be fine 🙌

@prologic@twtxt.net LMAO it’s fine! i think it’s running ok i’m just nervous i might’ve messed it up because honestly i just backed up my DB then did a git merge and overwrote the merge conflicts because i was lazy and didn’t know how to properly do an upgrade with git

@movq@www.uninformativ.de If we’re focusing on solving the “missing roots” problems. I would start to think about “client recommendations”. The first recommendation would be:

1. Replying to a Twt that has no initial Subject must itself have a Subject of the form (hash; url).
   

This way it’s a hint to fetching clients that follow B, but not A (in the case of no mentions) that the Subject/Root might (very likely) is in the feed url.

@bender@twtxt.net Fuck I meant “bugs” 🐞 Geez 🙄

@prologic@twtxt.net running the dame, oh my! TMI! :-P

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev what makes Kagi “the best search engine”? It is premium, alright. Allegedly you don’t get ads, but pay up-front for it, monthly.

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Unless you’ve found buds in this branch it should be fine 😆 Um running yhe dame!

@prologic@twtxt.net yayyyy

@prologic@twtxt.net oh these posts showed up on a page refresh without me needing to restart so maybe it’s starting to work again?

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Lwt me think on this.

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Nope it’s totally fine 🤗

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz No new peers shoyls show up automatically.

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz what did i fuck up this time lol

@movq@www.uninformativ.de oh this would be handy! i think my feed’s busted after the migration lol

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev@andros@twtxt.andros.dev it’s epic!

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev @eapl.me@eapl.me @sorenpeter@darch.dk Sad to see you go. 🫤

@sorenpeter@darch.dk You’re welcome 🤗 We’ll run into each other again. I’m sure! 🤞

I’m with @andros@twtxt.andros.dev and @eapl.me@eapl.me on this one. But I have also lost interest in twtxt lately and currently rethinking what digital tools truly add value to my life. So I will not spending my time on adding more complexity to Timeline. Still a big thanks to you @prologic@twtxt.net for all the great work you have done and all the nice conversations both here and on our video calls.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Yes! There is a cause: The renewable energies.
In Spain there is a lot of dependence on renewable energies and this is a problem for maintaining the voltage in the network. Thus, a 60% loss was lost for 5 seconds. In cascade, the circuit breakers were automatically switched off.
The B-side of renewable energies. They produce electricity but not dynamic energy.

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Well some! 🙌

@bender@twtxt.net <333

@bender@twtxt.net i forgot it LOL

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz which was your last post? 😊

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz you are OK. Taking a deep breath, everything’s gonna be irie, mon. 😅

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz i just did the migration to stuff on the cacher branch so i’m like WHAT IS HAPPENING

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz oh ok i think it’s slowly rebuilding stuff

@prologic@twtxt.net I’m very sorry but my feelings are similar to @eapl.me@eapl.me . For a long time I thought that Yarn was part of the Twtxt ecosystem, and not that Twtxt is an extension of Yarn. I don’t feel comfortable with what has happened. I didn’t expect this change of direction.
The nice part of Twtxt is that it is read by humans, with a simpler format. It’s the heart of the social network.
I need to think for a little time, but I’m thinking of stopping my involvement in the community.

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz I CAN’T SEE TWTXT.NET ANYMORE?! WHAT’D I DO IN THE MIGRATION HELP LOL

@movq@www.uninformativ.de oh dear lord, take it away, take it away! LOL.

@thecanine@twtxt.net Yeah this is where I think all the hype really falls down. It’s all just a really really expensive search engine and auto-complete 🤦‍♂️ That’s it!

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz My eyes hurt, though. 🥴

@xuu@txt.sour.is, see this. The italics didn’t come out.

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz yes, both the newsletter and the podcast, from time to time.

@prologic@twtxt.net I was not expecting much, but since the list of restaurants near company buildings, was hard coded into it, I did expect it to at least copy the menu text, from the websites, in its database. Ironically, the only restaurant where it got something right, is the only one, where the websites has the text as a transparent PNG, the AI has to convert to text.

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz MinIO is a good choice for a self-hosted Object Storage (compatible with S3 APIs) 👌

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Don’t be nervous, I make sure I test the shit™ out of things before anyone else does 🤣

@prologic@twtxt.net exciting!!!!!! i’m SO SORRY i didn’t get to doing the migration for my instance though - i’ve been really busy! T__T but i hope to get to it sometime this week i really wanna upgrade i think i’m just a bit nervous for whatever reason lol

@thecanine@twtxt.net do you read ed zitron’s newsletter? he writes in depth about how AI is a crock of shit it makes me feel normal for once

@movq@www.uninformativ.de this looks really cool

@Yarn@yarn.social yo, what’s up? I am busy running my business here!

@thecanine@twtxt.net “*BuT cAnInE, tHe A(G)i ReVoLuTiOn Is NoW*” Hahahaha! Thanks for good laugh! 🤣

Hello @Yarn.social@yarn.social 👋 (testing something)

@thecanine@twtxt.net Sorry, but you were expecting what now?! 🤣

I also fundamentally do not believe in the notion that Twtxt should be readable and writable by humans. We’ve thrown this “argument” around in support of some of the proposals, and I just don’t buy it (sorry). As an analogy, nobody writes Email by hand and transmits them to mail servers vai SMTP by hand. We use tools to do this. Twtxt/Yarn should be the same IMO.

@eapl.me@eapl.me I honestly believe you are overreacting here a little bit 🤣 I completely emphasize with you, it can be pretty tough to feel part of a community at times and run a project with a kind of “democracy” or “vote by committee”. But one thing that life has taught me about open source projects and especially decentralised ecosystems is that this doesn’t really work.

It isn’t that I’ve not considered all the other options on the table (which can still be), it’s just that I’ve made a decision as the project lead that largely helped trigger a rebirth of the use of Twtxt back in July 1 2020. There are good reasons not to change the threading model right now, as the changes being proposed are quite disruptive and don’t consider all the possible things that could go wrong.

July 1st. 63 days from now to implement a backward-incompatible change, apparently not open to other ideas like replacing blake with SHA, or discussing implementation challenges for other languages and platforms.
Finally just closing #18, #19 and #20 without starting a proper discussion and ignoring a ‘micro consensus’ feels… not right.

I don’t know what to think rather than letting it rest (May will be busy here) and focus on other stuff in the future.

twt-hash-v2.md#implementation-timeline

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Oh, I see. I reckon I accidentally late April-fooled myself. :-D

It’s an interesting comparison. I really should have thought about that.

You’re right, the rendering would not be very spectacular. :-)

@bender@twtxt.net ROFL 🤣

@prologic@twtxt.net if I tell you I will lose the edge. I want to mass produce them, as a business venture. LOL.

@bender@twtxt.net How does it work? 🤔

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev We don’t know the cause, yet, do we? 🤔

@prologic@twtxt.net that mechanical magical ball I built is doing a good job, thus far. :-P

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Oh, no, this is vastly exaggerated. Neil deGrass Tyson says, the earth is smoother than a cue ball (billiard): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMP5dNsZ-6k That would make for a very dull OpenGL program, though. 😂

@bender@twtxt.net You guessed right 🤣

@iolfree@tilde.club Fuck no. 😅

@bender@twtxt.net LOL how would I have guessed that?! 🤣

@bender@twtxt.net Thank you! I am writting on PR page.

@prologic@twtxt.net Spain. Duh! 😂

@prologic@twtxt.net Yesterday Spain, Portugal, maybe Morocco, were without electricity for 12 hours. I could not work. My home server was down, my feed and pages were online because of that 😂

@javivf@adn.org.es 12 Hlirs without power? 🧐 Where do you reside?! 🤣

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org likewise I don’t have the energy for a fundamental shift in any of our specifications that would inevitably cause a lot of toil and try and change in our clients implementations and unforeseen problems that we haven’t really fully understood:

@movq@www.uninformativ.de At this point someone needs to make a decision 🤣 @bender@twtxt.net keeps reminding me of that😅

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Agreed, finding the right motivation can be tricky. You sometimes have to torture yourself in order to later then realize, yeah, that was actually totally worth it. It’s often hard.

I think if you find a project or goal in general that these kids want to achieve, that is the best and maybe only choice with a good chance of positive outcome. I don’t know, like building a price scraper, a weather station or whatever. Yeah, these are already too advanced if they never programmed, but you get the idea. If they have something they want to build for themselves for their private life, that can be a great motivator I’ve experienced. Or you could assign ‘em the task to build their own twtxt client if they don’t have any own suitable ideas. :-)

Showing them that you do a lot of your daily work in the shell can maybe also help to get them interested in text-based boring stuff. Or at least break the ice. Lead by example. The more I think about it, the more I believe this to be very important. That’s how I still learn and improve from my favorite workmate today in general. Which I’m very thankful of.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Wow, that’s sick! Assuming the rendering is correct, I never realized the mountain ranges being this steep and tall. This has real education potential for geography classes. Really cool!

@movq@www.uninformativ.de In case you reconsider, it would be even easier then to just send an HTTP 429 Too Many Requests. :-)

@bender@twtxt.net Hehehe! :-D

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I have to admit, I didn’t follow the topic very closely, but I was under the impression that there were more votes on location-based addressing. But maybe I’m completely wrong. Anyway. I don’t have the energy to be part of a fundamental debate.

@prologic@twtxt.net Thank you for writing this together. I just left a few comments.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org

Also, I see what you did there in regards to the reply model change poll. ]:->

The community is heavily divided in this regard, and yet we need consensous. We’re like the three Borg in VOY: Survival Instinct. 🥴

@prologic@twtxt.net if not that, what else? Communism? Is there, really, such thing? 🤣

@prologic@twtxt.net 🚀🚀🚀🎉🎉🎉

https://git.mills.io/yarnsocial/twtxt.dev/pulls/28

@news-minimalist@feeds.twtxt.net so many “good news”, we are “winning” big time. I listen to NPR on my way to work, and they were talking about the foot depletion. You could hear the desperation of the people they put on, so incredibly sad. 😢

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org LOLed in RL, my office mates were, “what’s going on, where, what?!”. 😂

@movq@www.uninformativ.de DDoS their ass! 🤣

@bender@twtxt.net Yup! 👍

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Noice! 👌

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Hahahaha 🤣 I mean it’s “okay” every now and then, but what’s the point of having good clients and tools if we don’t use ‘em 🤣

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Yup! Will do 🤗

@movq@www.uninformativ.de You better push new code sooner!!

As @bender@twtxt.net says, that sounds like a bot. I’d just block the IP address, hoping it doesn’t change all the time. But then you know for sure that it’s the AI fuckwits.

Also, the devil in me thinks it’s funny to swap out the repo in question for something entirely different. :-D

@xuu@txt.sour.is Hahaha, that’s cool! You were (and still are) way ahead of me. :-)

We started with a simple traffic light phase and then added pedestrian crossing buttons. But only painting it on the canvas. In our computer room there was an actual traffic light on the wall and at the very end of the school year our IT basics teacher then modified the program to actually control the physical traffic light. That was very impressive and completely out of reach for me at the time. That teacher pulled the first lever for me ending up where I am now.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de oi, that has to be a bot. AI bot? Maybe not, but still a bot. I see this becoming more and more of an issue, sorry to say…

@prologic@twtxt.net Exactly, @bender@twtxt.net! :-D This is at the entrance of a veggie farm (11 & 12) where there are free-ranging kids playing on the road, so people should slow down when driving there to buy some supplies. I also wondered why the sign says “Halt!” instead of “Langsam fahren!” (Drive slowly!) or something like that. On second thought, maybe to actually park there on the street right at the property line.

I actually never walked on that road before and discovered that this was a dead end. There’s usually at the very least a foot path on which to continue when passing a farm. Not this time, though. I didn’t want to stamp down the high grass to cut across country, so I had to walk back maybe 150 meters. Not too bad.

@prologic@twtxt.net Phew, I’m indeed not twtxt.dev, because I sometimes actually do edit my feed with vim like a barbarian.

@prologic@twtxt.net Can you please draft up a specification for that proposed change with all the details? Such as which date do you actually refer to? Is it now() or the message’s creation timestamp? I reckon the latter is the case, but it’s undefined right now. Then we can discuss and potentially tweak the proposal.

Also, I see what you did there in regards to the reply model change poll. ]:->

@prologic@twtxt.net I have:

• jenny
  
• buckket’s original (patched, or not)
  
• tt/tt2
  
• Timeline
  
• Twtxtory
  
• Yarnd

We have 4 clients but this should be 6 I believe with tt2 from @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org and Twtxtory from @javivf@adn.org.es?

@bender@twtxt.net Same more or less 😅

@prologic@twtxt.net pinging the involved (@andros@twtxt.andros.dev, @abucci@anthony.buc.ci, @eapl.me@eapl.me, @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org, @movq@www.uninformativ.de, @sorenpeter@darch.dk), just in case. I might have forgotten someone, please feel free to ping them.

Finally I propose that we increase the Twt Hash length from 7 to 12 and use the first 12 characters of the base32 encoded blake2b hash. This will solve two problems, the fact that all hashes today either end in q or a (oops) 😅 And increasing the Twt Hash size will ensure that we never run into the chance of collision for ions to come. Chances of a 50% collision with 64 bits / 12 characters is roughly ~12.44B Twts. That ought to be enough! – I also propose that we modify all our clients and make this change from the 1st July 2025, which will be Yarn.social’s 5th birthday and 5 years since I started this whole project and endeavour! 😱 #Twtxt #Update

@prologic@twtxt.net I now see my twtxts as written in the proverbial stone. That is, no edits, no deletions, no matter how embarrassing their content might be. 😅

Hear, hear, @prologic@twtxt.net! :-)

And speaking of Twtxt (See: #xushlda, feeds should be treated as append-only. Your client(s) should be appending Twts to the bottom of the file. Edits should never modify the timestamp of the Twt being edited, nor should a Twt that was edited by deleted, unless you actually intended to delete it (but that’s more complicated as it’s very hard to control or tell clients what to do in a truely decentralised ecosystem for the deletion case). #Twtxt #Client #Recommendations

Just like we don’t write emails by hand anymore (See: #a3adoka), we don’t manually write Twts or update our twtxt.txt feeds. Instead, we use modern Twtxt clients that conform to the specifications at Twtxt.dev for a seamless, automated experience. #Twtxt #Twt #UserExperience

@bender@twtxt.net Hehe good sleuthing 🤣 I swear it was an edit ✍️ Haha 😂 yarnd now “sees” both every single time, where-as before it would just obliterate the old Twt, but remain in archive. Now you get to see both 😅 Not sure if that’s a good thing or not, but it certainly makes it much clearer how to write “code logic” for detecting edits and doing something more UX(y) about ‘em 🤔

@bender@twtxt.net It’s pretty cool though 🤣

@sorenpeter@darch.dk you raw feed says otherwise. Also, https://txt.sour.is/conv/wj5bcwq.