@@twtxt.net The fact that it has an SDK and process management is quite amazing g! 🤯

This is up @movq@www.uninformativ.de ally, a tiny OS that runs in a boot sector. That’s, it’s only 510 bytes! But check it out, and see what it can do. Truly amazing. Can you beat that?!

I’ve just released version 1.0 of twtxt.el (the Emacs client), the stable and final version with the current extensions. I’ll let the community maintain it, if there are interested in using it. I will also be open to fix small bugs.
I don’t know if this twt is a goodbye or a see you later. Maybe I will never come back, or maybe I will post a new twt this afternoon. But it’s always important to be grateful. Thanks to @prologic@twtxt.net @movq@www.uninformativ.de @eapl.me@eapl.me @bender@twtxt.net @aelaraji@aelaraji.com @arne@uplegger.eu @david@collantes.us @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org @doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt @xuu@txt.sour.is @sorenpeter@darch.dk for everything you have taught me. I’ve learned a lot about #twtxt, HTTP and working in community. It has been a fantastic adventure!
What will become of me? I have created a twtxt fork called Texudus (https://texudus.readthedocs.io/). I want to continue learning on my own without the legacy limitations or technologies that implement twtxt. It’s not a replacement for any technology, it’s just my own little lab. I have also made a fork of my own client and will be focusing on it for a while. I don’t expect anyone to use it, but feedback is always welcome.
Best regards to everyone.
#twtxt #emacs #twtxt-el #texudus

@movq@www.uninformativ.de No problems 🤗

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Whoop, whoop! Congrats 🥳

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Kind of, but on the other hand: This twt right here refers to 3rvya6q and your feed, but your feed certainly does not include that particular twt (it comes from my feed).

But my proposal probably isn’t very helpful, either. We have this flat conversation model, so … this twt right here, what should it refer to? Your twt? My root twt? I don’t know.

@prologic@twtxt.net Don’t include this just yet. I need to think about this some more (or drop the idea).

@bender@twtxt.net Haha 🤣

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Please git pull and rebuild 😂 Off of main. I merged the catcher branch already!

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com Lol gts is so popular. But if choicing something with fancy web ui maybe Smithereen is best option. Example instance: https://friends.grishka.com

@bender@twtxt.net LMAOOO

@prologic@twtxt.net done! hey i got a question, you got any clue why my feeds aren’t updating? maybe it has to do with the new cache flag but i messed with that a bit and didn’t notice a difference. basically it’s like i have to manually restart yarnd to see new posts it’s really weird lol

@prologic@twtxt.net I can hear the moans of regret already. They are loud, and steady. 😅

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz @xuu@txt.sour.is Recommend you git checkout main && git pull && make build. Few bug fixes 😄

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com oh fuck yea snac would be a good use of that! makes me wanna do the same… GTS also has a new profile view for profiles that shows only images which makes it great as a photo posting place

@movq@www.uninformativ.de When I reply to a message, I typically already mention the feed. Just like in this very message. I believe this mechanism should work for most replies. But there are of course the odd responses where I do not mention the original feed, but rather some other feed(s) instead to which I actually want to reply. Maybe “forking”, as prologic calls it, would be the better option there.

@bender@twtxt.net You’re kind of right though 😄 It makes it more engaging IMO 😅

@prologic@twtxt.net hahahahaha! No, no, no. Every word has its use. But for things like these I like certain reactions. For example, I would have given a “thumbs down” to the original twtxt, and done with it. Now, composing a reply, to simply say “no, thank you.”, that I don’t like. It seems a waste of space, and it doesn’t “look good”. I like to see at least 140 characters! Ha!

@bender@twtxt.net I knew you wouldn’t be interested in a Twtxt+ActivityPub 😂 Now I have to go figure out what “monosyllabic replies” means 🤣

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Shall I add this to the spec I’m writing? ✍️

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com which snac instance did you see that looked pretty dope? On the ones I saw in the past, I found their web frontend to be rather messy (even more so on mobile).

@prologic@twtxt.net not me. I hate monosyllabic replies, specifically on the written medium, so I am just typing this to make it longer. But that doesn’t change the truth, and that is, I don’t want, nor care, about twtxt, and Activity Pub integration. 😅

After yarnd v0.16 is released and the next round of specification updates are done and dusted, who wants me to have another crack at building Twtxt and activity pub integration support?

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz That’s what I was going for at first, I already have my compose file to go up -d, but then I took a look at a couple of #Snac instances at the last second and they looked pretty dope! Now I’m stuck in my own head 😅

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com gotosocial is epic

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I think we can make this work 👌 As long as it’s just a client hint.

that said, and reading to @sorenpeter@darch.dk and @andros@twtxt.andros.dev I have new thoughts. I assume that this won’t change anyone’s opinions or priorities, so it makes no harm sharing them.

It’s always tempting to use something that already exists (like X, Masto, Bsky, etc.) rather that building anything through effort and disagreement until reaching to something useful and valuable together. A ‘social service’ is only useful if people is using it.

I’ll add that I haven’t lost interest on the ‘hacky’ part of twtxt about developing tools, protocols, and extensions as a community. It’s the appealing part! It’s a nice hobby to have, shared with random people across the world.
But this is not the right way for me, and makes me feel that I’m unwelcome to propose something different (after watching replies to my previous twt). Feels like “If you don’t agree, you are free to leave, we’ll miss you.” Naah, not cool. I’ve lived that many times before, and nowadays I don’t have enough spare time and energy for a hobby like that.

Let’s see what happens next with the micro-community!

just for the record I didn’t say I was leaving the twtxt ‘community’ (did I?) but than I have other priorities to focus on in the following months. Please don’t be condescending, is not cool.

Development of Timeline (PHP client) has been stale for some reasons, a few of them in my side, so I think it won’t be updated to the new thread model, at least pretty soon.
So is not that I’ll stop using twtxt, just the client I use won’t be compatible with the new model in July.

@bender@twtxt.net It’s great if I’m sitting on the balcony and horrible otherwise. Gah.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de absolutely yes!

@prologic@twtxt.net Not sure I’d attach any if clauses to this. My point is: Every time I see a hash, I’d like to have a hint as to where to find the corresponding twt.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I didn’t say I was leaving, just not that active here atm. I might be more active on mastodon at https://norrebro.space/@sorenpeter but I’m also rethinking that too tbh.

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Should be fine 🙌

@prologic@twtxt.net LMAO it’s fine! i think it’s running ok i’m just nervous i might’ve messed it up because honestly i just backed up my DB then did a git merge and overwrote the merge conflicts because i was lazy and didn’t know how to properly do an upgrade with git

@movq@www.uninformativ.de If we’re focusing on solving the “missing roots” problems. I would start to think about “client recommendations”. The first recommendation would be:

1. Replying to a Twt that has no initial Subject must itself have a Subject of the form (hash; url).
   

This way it’s a hint to fetching clients that follow B, but not A (in the case of no mentions) that the Subject/Root might (very likely) is in the feed url.

@bender@twtxt.net Fuck I meant “bugs” 🐞 Geez 🙄

@prologic@twtxt.net running the dame, oh my! TMI! :-P

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev what makes Kagi “the best search engine”? It is premium, alright. Allegedly you don’t get ads, but pay up-front for it, monthly.

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Unless you’ve found buds in this branch it should be fine 😆 Um running yhe dame!

@prologic@twtxt.net yayyyy

@prologic@twtxt.net oh these posts showed up on a page refresh without me needing to restart so maybe it’s starting to work again?

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Lwt me think on this.

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Nope it’s totally fine 🤗

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz No new peers shoyls show up automatically.

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz what did i fuck up this time lol

@movq@www.uninformativ.de oh this would be handy! i think my feed’s busted after the migration lol

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev@andros@twtxt.andros.dev it’s epic!

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev @eapl.me@eapl.me @sorenpeter@darch.dk Sad to see you go. 🫤

@sorenpeter@darch.dk You’re welcome 🤗 We’ll run into each other again. I’m sure! 🤞

I’m with @andros@twtxt.andros.dev and @eapl.me@eapl.me on this one. But I have also lost interest in twtxt lately and currently rethinking what digital tools truly add value to my life. So I will not spending my time on adding more complexity to Timeline. Still a big thanks to you @prologic@twtxt.net for all the great work you have done and all the nice conversations both here and on our video calls.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Yes! There is a cause: The renewable energies.
In Spain there is a lot of dependence on renewable energies and this is a problem for maintaining the voltage in the network. Thus, a 60% loss was lost for 5 seconds. In cascade, the circuit breakers were automatically switched off.
The B-side of renewable energies. They produce electricity but not dynamic energy.

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Well some! 🙌

@bender@twtxt.net <333

@bender@twtxt.net i forgot it LOL

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz which was your last post? 😊

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz you are OK. Taking a deep breath, everything’s gonna be irie, mon. 😅

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz i just did the migration to stuff on the cacher branch so i’m like WHAT IS HAPPENING

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz oh ok i think it’s slowly rebuilding stuff

@prologic@twtxt.net I’m very sorry but my feelings are similar to @eapl.me@eapl.me . For a long time I thought that Yarn was part of the Twtxt ecosystem, and not that Twtxt is an extension of Yarn. I don’t feel comfortable with what has happened. I didn’t expect this change of direction.
The nice part of Twtxt is that it is read by humans, with a simpler format. It’s the heart of the social network.
I need to think for a little time, but I’m thinking of stopping my involvement in the community.

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz I CAN’T SEE TWTXT.NET ANYMORE?! WHAT’D I DO IN THE MIGRATION HELP LOL

@movq@www.uninformativ.de oh dear lord, take it away, take it away! LOL.

@thecanine@twtxt.net Yeah this is where I think all the hype really falls down. It’s all just a really really expensive search engine and auto-complete 🤦‍♂️ That’s it!

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz My eyes hurt, though. 🥴

@xuu@txt.sour.is, see this. The italics didn’t come out.

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz yes, both the newsletter and the podcast, from time to time.

@prologic@twtxt.net I was not expecting much, but since the list of restaurants near company buildings, was hard coded into it, I did expect it to at least copy the menu text, from the websites, in its database. Ironically, the only restaurant where it got something right, is the only one, where the websites has the text as a transparent PNG, the AI has to convert to text.

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz MinIO is a good choice for a self-hosted Object Storage (compatible with S3 APIs) 👌

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Don’t be nervous, I make sure I test the shit™ out of things before anyone else does 🤣

@prologic@twtxt.net exciting!!!!!! i’m SO SORRY i didn’t get to doing the migration for my instance though - i’ve been really busy! T__T but i hope to get to it sometime this week i really wanna upgrade i think i’m just a bit nervous for whatever reason lol

@thecanine@twtxt.net do you read ed zitron’s newsletter? he writes in depth about how AI is a crock of shit it makes me feel normal for once

@movq@www.uninformativ.de this looks really cool

@Yarn@yarn.social yo, what’s up? I am busy running my business here!

@thecanine@twtxt.net “*BuT cAnInE, tHe A(G)i ReVoLuTiOn Is NoW*” Hahahaha! Thanks for good laugh! 🤣

Hello @Yarn.social@yarn.social 👋 (testing something)

@thecanine@twtxt.net Sorry, but you were expecting what now?! 🤣

I also fundamentally do not believe in the notion that Twtxt should be readable and writable by humans. We’ve thrown this “argument” around in support of some of the proposals, and I just don’t buy it (sorry). As an analogy, nobody writes Email by hand and transmits them to mail servers vai SMTP by hand. We use tools to do this. Twtxt/Yarn should be the same IMO.

@eapl.me@eapl.me I honestly believe you are overreacting here a little bit 🤣 I completely emphasize with you, it can be pretty tough to feel part of a community at times and run a project with a kind of “democracy” or “vote by committee”. But one thing that life has taught me about open source projects and especially decentralised ecosystems is that this doesn’t really work.

It isn’t that I’ve not considered all the other options on the table (which can still be), it’s just that I’ve made a decision as the project lead that largely helped trigger a rebirth of the use of Twtxt back in July 1 2020. There are good reasons not to change the threading model right now, as the changes being proposed are quite disruptive and don’t consider all the possible things that could go wrong.

July 1st. 63 days from now to implement a backward-incompatible change, apparently not open to other ideas like replacing blake with SHA, or discussing implementation challenges for other languages and platforms.
Finally just closing #18, #19 and #20 without starting a proper discussion and ignoring a ‘micro consensus’ feels… not right.

I don’t know what to think rather than letting it rest (May will be busy here) and focus on other stuff in the future.

twt-hash-v2.md#implementation-timeline

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Oh, I see. I reckon I accidentally late April-fooled myself. :-D

It’s an interesting comparison. I really should have thought about that.

You’re right, the rendering would not be very spectacular. :-)

@bender@twtxt.net ROFL 🤣

@prologic@twtxt.net if I tell you I will lose the edge. I want to mass produce them, as a business venture. LOL.

@bender@twtxt.net How does it work? 🤔

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev We don’t know the cause, yet, do we? 🤔

@prologic@twtxt.net that mechanical magical ball I built is doing a good job, thus far. :-P

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Oh, no, this is vastly exaggerated. Neil deGrass Tyson says, the earth is smoother than a cue ball (billiard): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMP5dNsZ-6k That would make for a very dull OpenGL program, though. 😂

@bender@twtxt.net You guessed right 🤣

@iolfree@tilde.club Fuck no. 😅

@bender@twtxt.net LOL how would I have guessed that?! 🤣

@bender@twtxt.net Thank you! I am writting on PR page.

@prologic@twtxt.net Spain. Duh! 😂

@prologic@twtxt.net Yesterday Spain, Portugal, maybe Morocco, were without electricity for 12 hours. I could not work. My home server was down, my feed and pages were online because of that 😂

@javivf@adn.org.es 12 Hlirs without power? 🧐 Where do you reside?! 🤣

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org likewise I don’t have the energy for a fundamental shift in any of our specifications that would inevitably cause a lot of toil and try and change in our clients implementations and unforeseen problems that we haven’t really fully understood:

@movq@www.uninformativ.de At this point someone needs to make a decision 🤣 @bender@twtxt.net keeps reminding me of that😅

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Agreed, finding the right motivation can be tricky. You sometimes have to torture yourself in order to later then realize, yeah, that was actually totally worth it. It’s often hard.

I think if you find a project or goal in general that these kids want to achieve, that is the best and maybe only choice with a good chance of positive outcome. I don’t know, like building a price scraper, a weather station or whatever. Yeah, these are already too advanced if they never programmed, but you get the idea. If they have something they want to build for themselves for their private life, that can be a great motivator I’ve experienced. Or you could assign ‘em the task to build their own twtxt client if they don’t have any own suitable ideas. :-)

Showing them that you do a lot of your daily work in the shell can maybe also help to get them interested in text-based boring stuff. Or at least break the ice. Lead by example. The more I think about it, the more I believe this to be very important. That’s how I still learn and improve from my favorite workmate today in general. Which I’m very thankful of.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Wow, that’s sick! Assuming the rendering is correct, I never realized the mountain ranges being this steep and tall. This has real education potential for geography classes. Really cool!

@movq@www.uninformativ.de In case you reconsider, it would be even easier then to just send an HTTP 429 Too Many Requests. :-)

@bender@twtxt.net Hehehe! :-D

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I have to admit, I didn’t follow the topic very closely, but I was under the impression that there were more votes on location-based addressing. But maybe I’m completely wrong. Anyway. I don’t have the energy to be part of a fundamental debate.

@prologic@twtxt.net Thank you for writing this together. I just left a few comments.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org

Also, I see what you did there in regards to the reply model change poll. ]:->

The community is heavily divided in this regard, and yet we need consensous. We’re like the three Borg in VOY: Survival Instinct. 🥴

@prologic@twtxt.net if not that, what else? Communism? Is there, really, such thing? 🤣

@prologic@twtxt.net 🚀🚀🚀🎉🎉🎉