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@prologic@twtxt.net I have updated to kinda follow this. It now redirects to other webfingers if the resource has a different hostname. I’m still not sure what I should put multiple services with the same domain name. Like if they were to have conflicting properties.

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In-reply-to » Finally back! My VPS's main drive got toasted. I got a freshly installed VPS now, got yarn set up and working now, now I have to fix the rest of the stuff. I've been using apache for many many years, but I had so many issues getting it set up today, so I switched to nginx, and that took me like 2 minutes.. So yeah - I'll use nginx from now on.

@bender@twtxt.net Never heard of that before. Ill check it out :)

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In-reply-to » Trying to wrap my head around webfinger..

@xuu@txt.sour.is that doesn’t seem to fit the spirit of the spec, at least by my read (I could be wrong obv). The example on Wikipedia’s webfinger page,

{
	"subject": "acct:bob@example.com",
	"aliases": [
		"https://www.example.com/~bob/"
	],
	"properties": {
		"http://example.com/ns/role": "employee"
	},
	"links": [{
			"rel": "http://webfinger.example/rel/profile-page",
			"href": "https://www.example.com/~bob/"
		},
		{
			"rel": "http://webfinger.example/rel/businesscard",
			"href": "https://www.example.com/~bob/bob.vcf"
		}
	]
}

and then the comparison with how mastodon uses webfinger,

{
    "subject": "acct:Mastodon@mastodon.social",
    "aliases": [
        "https://mastodon.social/@Mastodon",
        "https://mastodon.social/users/Mastodon"
    ],
    "links": [
        {
            "rel": "http://webfinger.net/rel/profile-page",
            "type": "text/html",
            "href": "https://mastodon.social/@Mastodon"
        },
        {
            "rel": "self",
            "type": "application/activity+json",
            "href": "https://mastodon.social/users/Mastodon"
        },
        {
            "rel": "http://ostatus.org/schema/1.0/subscribe",
            "template": "https://mastodon.social/authorize_interaction?uri={uri}"
        }
    ]
}

suggests to me you want to leave the subject/acct bit as is (don’t add prefixes) and put extra information you care to include in the links section, where you’re free to define the rel URIs however you see fit. The notion here is that webfinger is offering a mapping from an account name to additional information about that account, so if anything you’d use a "subject": "acct:SALTY ACCOUNT_REPRESENTATION" line in the JSON to achieve what you’re saying if you don’t want to do that via links.

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In-reply-to » Trying to wrap my head around webfinger..

@prologic@twtxt.net Unfortunately the RFC’s are a bit light in this regard. While it makes mention of different kinds of accounts like mailto: or status services.. it never combines them. It does make mention of using redirects to forward a request to other webfingers to provide additional detail.

I am kinda partial to using salty:acct:me@sour.is, yarn:acct:xuu@txt.sour.is, mailto:me@sour.is that could redirect to a specific service. and a parent account acct:me@sour.is that would reference them in some way. either in properties or aliases.

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In-reply-to » Trying to wrap my head around webfinger..

@prologic@twtxt.net Unfortunately the RFC’s are a bit light in this regard. While it makes mention of different kinds of accounts like mailto: or status services.. it never combines them. It does make mention of using redirects to forward a request to other webfingers to provide additional detail.

I am kinda partial to using salty:acct:me@sour.is, yarn:acct:xuu@txt.sour.is, mailto:me@sour.is that could redirect to a specific service. and a parent account acct:me@sour.is that would reference them in some way. either in properties or aliases.

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In-reply-to » Trying to wrap my head around webfinger..

@prologic@twtxt.net That was exactly my thought at first too. but what do we put as the rel for salty account? since it is decentralized we dont have a set URL for machines to key off. so for example take the standard response from okta:

# http GET https://example.okta.com/.well-known/webfinger  resource==acct:bob
{
    "links": [
        {
            "href": "https://example.okta.com/sso/idps/OKTA?login_hint=bob#",
            "properties": {
                "okta:idp:type": "OKTA"
            },
            "rel": "http://openid.net/specs/connect/1.0/issuer",
            "titles": {
                "und": "example"
            }
        }
    ],
    "subject": "acct:bob"
}

It gives one link that follows the OpenID login. So the details are specific to the subject acct:bob.

Mastodons response:

{
  "subject": "acct:xuu@chaos.social",
  "aliases": [
    "https://chaos.social/@xuu",
    "https://chaos.social/users/xuu"
  ],
  "links": [
    {
      "rel": "http://webfinger.net/rel/profile-page",
      "type": "text/html",
      "href": "https://chaos.social/@xuu"
    },
    {
      "rel": "self",
      "type": "application/activity+json",
      "href": "https://chaos.social/users/xuu"
    },
    {
      "rel": "http://ostatus.org/schema/1.0/subscribe"
    }
  ]
}

it supplies a profile page and a self which are both specific to that account.

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In-reply-to » Trying to wrap my head around webfinger..

@prologic@twtxt.net That was exactly my thought at first too. but what do we put as the rel for salty account? since it is decentralized we dont have a set URL for machines to key off. so for example take the standard response from okta:

# http GET https://example.okta.com/.well-known/webfinger  resource==acct:bob
{
    "links": [
        {
            "href": "https://example.okta.com/sso/idps/OKTA?login_hint=bob#",
            "properties": {
                "okta:idp:type": "OKTA"
            },
            "rel": "http://openid.net/specs/connect/1.0/issuer",
            "titles": {
                "und": "example"
            }
        }
    ],
    "subject": "acct:bob"
}

It gives one link that follows the OpenID login. So the details are specific to the subject acct:bob.

Mastodons response:

{
  "subject": "acct:xuu@chaos.social",
  "aliases": [
    "https://chaos.social/@xuu",
    "https://chaos.social/users/xuu"
  ],
  "links": [
    {
      "rel": "http://webfinger.net/rel/profile-page",
      "type": "text/html",
      "href": "https://chaos.social/@xuu"
    },
    {
      "rel": "self",
      "type": "application/activity+json",
      "href": "https://chaos.social/users/xuu"
    },
    {
      "rel": "http://ostatus.org/schema/1.0/subscribe"
    }
  ]
}

it supplies a profile page and a self which are both specific to that account.

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In-reply-to » Why, oh why, does YouTube include upcoming videos in RSS feeds? “This video premiers in 21 hours.” Oohhhhhhkay. I will long have forgotten about it by then, thank you very much.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org As far as I know, they’re still visible in the Web UI. Although, in the mobile app and youtube.com, I believe it tells you that the video isn’t available without having to click on it. They don’t tell you that in the RSS feed, and I agree; it gets annoying.

If we had a custom feed generator that hooks directly into the YouTube API, I’ll bet we could find that information and put “[Scheduled][Scheduled][Scheduled][Scheduled][Scheduled][Scheduled][Scheduled][Scheduled]” in the title for premieres and remove it when the video is available.

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In-reply-to » Why, oh why, does YouTube include upcoming videos in RSS feeds? “This video premiers in 21 hours.” Oohhhhhhkay. I will long have forgotten about it by then, thank you very much.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org As far as I know, they’re still visible in the Web UI. Although, in the mobile app and youtube.com, I believe it tells you that the video isn’t available without having to click on it. They don’t tell you that in the RSS feed, and I agree; it gets annoying.

If we had a custom feed generator that hooks directly into the YouTube API, I’ll bet we could find that information and put “[Scheduled][Scheduled=][Scheduled][Scheduled=][Scheduled][Scheduled=][Scheduled][Scheduled=]” in the title for premieres and remove it when the video is available.

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One of the frustrating parts of using twtxt for conversations is the URLs are, well… ugly. Anyone (like y’all yarn folks) looked at using webfinger for translating user@domain accounts to URLs?

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In-reply-to » @prologic and @justamoment, this Gitxt project sounds really interesting. Can you tell us about some of your goals?

More specifically: Will this be expanded into something like Gitea with the concept of users and organizations, or will it stay with a simple flat repository model like upstream legit or cgit?

Also, the shorthand mention syntax has struck again. Apologies, @justamoment@twtxt.net.

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In-reply-to » A Modest Robot Levy Could Help Combat Effects of Automation On Income Inequality In US, Study Suggests An anonymous reader quotes a report from MIT News: What if the U.S. placed a tax on robots? The concept has been publicly discussed by policy analysts, scholars, and Bill Gates (who favors the notion). Because robots can replace jobs, the idea goes, a stiff tax on them ... ⌘ Read more

@prologic@twtxt.net billionaires don’t exist. That many resources tied up by single individuals muck up the whole system.

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In-reply-to » A Modest Robot Levy Could Help Combat Effects of Automation On Income Inequality In US, Study Suggests An anonymous reader quotes a report from MIT News: What if the U.S. placed a tax on robots? The concept has been publicly discussed by policy analysts, scholars, and Bill Gates (who favors the notion). Because robots can replace jobs, the idea goes, a stiff tax on them ... ⌘ Read more

@prologic@twtxt.net billionaires don’t exist. That many resources tied up by single individuals muck up the whole system.

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In-reply-to » Tutorial: Getting started with generics - The Go Programming Language -- Okay @xuu I quite like Go's generics now 🤣 After going through this myself I like the semantics and the syntax. I'm glad they did a lot of work on this to keep it simple to both understand and use (just like the rest of Go) 👌 Media #GoLang #Generics

@prologic@twtxt.net see where its used maybe that can help.
https://github.com/sour-is/ev/blob/main/app/peerfinder/http.go#L153

This is an upsert. So I pass a streamID which is like a globally unique id for the object. And then see how the type of the parameter in the function is used to infer the generic type. In the function it will create a new *Info and populate it from the datastore to pass to the function. The func will do its modifications and if it returns a nil error it will commit the changes.

The PA type contract ensures that the type fulfills the Aggregate interface and is a pointer to type at compile time.

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In-reply-to » Tutorial: Getting started with generics - The Go Programming Language -- Okay @xuu I quite like Go's generics now 🤣 After going through this myself I like the semantics and the syntax. I'm glad they did a lot of work on this to keep it simple to both understand and use (just like the rest of Go) 👌 Media #GoLang #Generics

@prologic@twtxt.net see where its used maybe that can help.
https://github.com/sour-is/ev/blob/main/app/peerfinder/http.go#L153

This is an upsert. So I pass a streamID which is like a globally unique id for the object. And then see how the type of the parameter in the function is used to infer the generic type. In the function it will create a new *Info and populate it from the datastore to pass to the function. The func will do its modifications and if it returns a nil error it will commit the changes.

The PA type contract ensures that the type fulfills the Aggregate interface and is a pointer to type at compile time.

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In-reply-to » @prologic: Reduced refresh interval to 7200 seconds :-)

@prologic@twtxt.net I guess that refresh field could be easily replaced with Expires HTTP header (I realize that users on neocities.org cannot control this header, for example). And clients should also respect headers like Last-Modified/If-Modified-Since (304), you’re right about that. P.S. twtwt doens’t have a caching mechanism for now, but I plan to implement it in generic way using HTTP headers.

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In-reply-to » I decided to become popular in decentralized social networks. 1. Pixelfed: https://pixelfed.social/win0err — mostly landscape photography; 2. Mastodon: https://mastodon.online/@win0err — software engineering content

@win0err@kolesnikov.se @prologic@twtxt.net @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org never seen aurora, but there are nights (after solar storms) that people get to see it here in the south of Norway, but I have not seen it my self yet. But I sure wish to one day.

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In-reply-to » I decided to become popular in decentralized social networks. 1. Pixelfed: https://pixelfed.social/win0err — mostly landscape photography; 2. Mastodon: https://mastodon.online/@win0err — software engineering content

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org: Thank you, it’s really nice to hear that! Sometimes I think I’m a moss, because I really love northern nature :D Pixelfed is very slow indeed, and also buggy. @prologic@twtxt.net: I plan to add an RSS feed for the photography page instead of cross-posting to twtxt.txt. Maybe I should post updates of my website here? For example, I made a fancy New Year’s design of https://kolesnikov.se (which makes @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org’s eyes hurt, haha)

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In-reply-to » @prologic (re: Just discovered ...) On the one hand, twtxt has become more popular thanks to Yarn.social. On the other hand, subject and hashtag extensions took away the simplicity of the protocol. For example, it is impossible to understand which conversation (#base32hash) a tweet refers to or to reply to a tweet without going to a yarn.social pod. Compare with re: in this tweet which can be written without using any client at all

@prologic@twtxt.net: I understand the benefits of using hashes, it’s much easier to implement client applications (at the expense of ease of use without the proper client). I must say that I like the way the metadata extension is done. Simple and elegant! It’s hard to design simple things!

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@prologic@twtxt.net On the one hand, twtxt has become more popular thanks to Yarn.social. On the other hand, subject and hashtag extensions took away the simplicity of the protocol. For example, it is impossible to understand which conversation (#base32hash) a tweet refers to or to reply to a tweet without going to a yarn.social pod. Compare with re: in this tweet which can be written without using any client at all

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In-reply-to » I switched from twtxt client to twtwt (https://github.com/win0err/twtwt). It's a pre-alpha version now, but it works pretty well and so much faster than the official twtxt client by @buckket. Feel free to check it out :-)

@prologic@twtxt.net: Hmm, I just checked, it should work. Anyway, I will post updates about the project. First of all, I want to complete some features and create packages with pre-compiled binaries

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In-reply-to » Installed latest NixOS on my secondary laptop tonight, was really nice with a proper installer (calamares installer), got most of the stuff I use set up, but I do need to tweak some more. I love the way the system is set up, makes it very easy to have the same setup on several machines. I'll try and run it and use it as much as I can now.

@justamoment@twtxt.net cool!

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In-reply-to » I started reading the proposal to introduce operator overloading in Go version 2 that I like to see: https://github.com/golang/go/issues/27605 Now a few hours later I ended up at this gem. Write a program that makes 2+2=5: https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/28786/write-a-program-that-makes-2-2-5 There are some awesone solutions. :-)

@prologic@twtxt.net same.

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In-reply-to » I started reading the proposal to introduce operator overloading in Go version 2 that I like to see: https://github.com/golang/go/issues/27605 Now a few hours later I ended up at this gem. Write a program that makes 2+2=5: https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/28786/write-a-program-that-makes-2-2-5 There are some awesone solutions. :-)

@prologic@twtxt.net same.

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@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org when I take him to work I walk him at the parkinglot when I need a break. and on my way home I walk a km or two, and then around the neighbourhood as needed later. But when I go for long walks during the weekend I can walk anywhere from 10km to 20, then the rest is as needed around the house. so he’s well adjusted to short walks as well as long. today he pulled our kids on snow sleds on the street outside here, was really fun :) it was his first time trying that, and I could barely keep up with him. haha.

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In-reply-to » ahh this is useful https://go.dev/doc/modules/managing-dependencies. the go culture doesn't typically have large dependency graphs like Ruby or JS.

how install gomodot? also.. @prologic@twtxt.net your domain has some pretty strong SEO mojo searching for install "gomodot" puts you on the google first page.

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In-reply-to » ahh this is useful https://go.dev/doc/modules/managing-dependencies. the go culture doesn't typically have large dependency graphs like Ruby or JS.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org im talking like some JS projects i have seen with 1-2G node_modules dirs. though yarn is quite vast in its modules because it does a LOOOOOOT of stuff in the background.

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In-reply-to » ahh this is useful https://go.dev/doc/modules/managing-dependencies. the go culture doesn't typically have large dependency graphs like Ruby or JS.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org im talking like some JS projects i have seen with 1-2G node_modules dirs. though yarn is quite vast in its modules because it does a LOOOOOOT of stuff in the background.

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In-reply-to » JUHU! Finally! The new NAS runs. Oh boy what a process. First I had to restart and redow everything three times. Sometimes things are not sooo super obvious and then you really mess up. Who decided at Asustor that you cannot move home folders off of the Volume 1? And Why are the Asustor apps so bad? Beside that, the machine, the NAS, is really nice. Updraded to 16GB RAM and I finally have NGINX PROXY MANAGER running. Now I can setup all services with nice names!

@carsten@yarn.zn80.net what type of NAS? I just upgraded my oooold (~2008) Drobo to a Synology. I have been impressed with all the neat stuff it can do.

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In-reply-to » JUHU! Finally! The new NAS runs. Oh boy what a process. First I had to restart and redow everything three times. Sometimes things are not sooo super obvious and then you really mess up. Who decided at Asustor that you cannot move home folders off of the Volume 1? And Why are the Asustor apps so bad? Beside that, the machine, the NAS, is really nice. Updraded to 16GB RAM and I finally have NGINX PROXY MANAGER running. Now I can setup all services with nice names!

@carsten@yarn.zn80.net what type of NAS? I just upgraded my oooold (~2008) Drobo to a Synology. I have been impressed with all the neat stuff it can do.

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In-reply-to » @eaplmx This exact thing happened to me last night. I happened to be watching some random Youtube video, then this Ad came on, normally they are short 3-5s ads and I just tolerate them (sometimes) -- But this particular ad was 20+ mins long! Somehow I kept listening to it too, despite my daughter telling me I could hit that "Skip Ad" button.

@prologic@twtxt.net duud use an ad block on youtube.

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In-reply-to » @eaplmx This exact thing happened to me last night. I happened to be watching some random Youtube video, then this Ad came on, normally they are short 3-5s ads and I just tolerate them (sometimes) -- But this particular ad was 20+ mins long! Somehow I kept listening to it too, despite my daughter telling me I could hit that "Skip Ad" button.

@prologic@twtxt.net duud use an ad block on youtube.

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In-reply-to » What do you feel when you listen to something you didn't believe it's true?

@eaplmx@twtxt.net This exact thing happened to me last night. I happened to be watching some random Youtube video, then this Ad came on, normally they are short 3-5s ads and I just tolerate them (sometimes) – But this particular ad was 20+ mins long! Somehow I kept listening to it too, despite my daughter telling me I could hit that “Skip Ad” button.

What was it you ask?! 😅 It was one of those testimonial-style, hyped up marketing videos of some product called “Gemini 2” (a currency trading app, allegedly), I kept watching all the way through, it was fantastic! 🤣

Then I went and read up on it! …

Short answer: TOTAL FUCKING SCAM 🤣

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