@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz are you running Grafana in a separate physical machine (or VM) than the one you are pulling metrics from?

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Oh dear, what a way to start the day! :-(

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com you got this!!!!!! grafana is SO confusing but you’ll get there :D

@bender@twtxt.net I think this would be a good idea as @movq@www.uninformativ.de and @andros@twtxt.andros.dev have done ✅ I may even join the experiments if I have any spare time to hack a custom yrand branch and run it up on say something like a yarnexp.mills.io or something 🤔

@bender@twtxt.net This ☝️

@sorenpeter@darch.dk No because as the spec statd originally, and we didn’t change that syntax at all:

Mentions are embedded within the text in either @ or @ format

So the lextwt parser we use will simply call this an invalid mention, which it does.

@sorenpeter@darch.dk Unfortunately it does break all clients, because the original spec stated:

Mentions are embedded within the text in either @ or @ format

In other words, why didn’t you all do the same that @movq@www.uninformativ.de did, and setup a completely different feed for this?

But Yarn does not like it: https://twtxt.net/twt/yoatzwa

@bender@twtxt.net My point was that the suggested syntax for extending mentions to point to a specific message (@<nick url timestamp>) and having location based treading this way, might not break older clients, since they might just igonore the last value within the brackets.

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com Oh, sorry it’s a typo. Also developer previously worked in vk (making mobile app afaik). Not he hates him xD

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Haha that’s crazy! I’ve spent this evening trying to the same 😆 I still don’t havn’t reached my goal yet, but I’m getting there.

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz one of my servers’ number of currently running containers is 69. haha sex number

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz this is one of my fave k-pop songs this year nmixx have been KILLING it

@thecanine@twtxt.net doggo!!!!!!!!!!!

smug woof

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev@andros@twtxt.andros.dev i know MVC but i don’t know model view view model what does this mean…. i am learning PHP (and a tiny bit of perl scripting) as a mainly ruby girl so mayhaps i am improving but my focus is SERVERS

@prologic@twtxt.net noted 🫡 🫡 🫡

@prologic@twtxt.net hahahahaha! Don’t you go watering that seed, mate 😅. I mean, we all dream about it, ain’t that right?

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Just like Friday’s right? 😅

@bender@twtxt.net Mondays should be optional.

@javivf@adn.org.es You’re free to send me a DM. 😉

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz HTMX is GREAT!
I used it in my TwtxtReader MK1 for pagination and posting. It just works!

@ About the URL, since it no longer used for hashing there might be no need to change it. I agree that we keep all the parts that already are out there for the most parts. Instead of a contact field you could also just use links like: link = Email mailto:user@example.dk or link = Signal https://signal.me/sthF4raI5Lg_ybpJwB1sOptDla4oU7p[...]

@sorenpeter@darch.dk you wrote:

“This might even be backward compatible with older (pre-yarn) clients.”

Yarnd is as backwards compatible with older clients as this. I dare to say, even more so. 😅

@sorenpeter@darch.dk Yes, there are interesting things that can be incorporated to see how they work.
The issue of allowing the use of Z for UTC is interesting. I think I should add a brief explanation.
The url issue is for a debate :D . Maybe an issue could be opened. My opinion is that it is necessary to leave it as it is right now because otherwise the thread system, or replies, may have problems (404s). It’s all a matter of discussion.
I like your idea of contact. I will add it.
Thanks to you for your feedback!!!

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev Thanks for consolidating a lot of good ideas. Especially how you have deiced to just extend the mention syntax for location-based treads. This might even be backward compatible with older (pre-yarn) clients.
What about using Z for UTC +00:00- is that allowed in your specs?
Regarding url = I would suggest to only allow one and the maybe add url_old = or url_alt = !?
I’m still not a fan of a DM feature, even thou it helps that i have now been split out into a separate feed file. Instead if would suggest a contact = field for where people can put an email or other id/link for an established chat protocol like signal or matrix.

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev Yup! 👌

@prologic@twtxt.net Absolutely! It is essential to practice and deepen every art 😄

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt More or less 😂 At the moment it’s just a space to experiment

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev Wait, texudus is like compatible fork of twtxt?

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Make sure you’re up-todate with main 🤣 I’m fixing little things here and there. Also please report bugs 🐞

@prologic@twtxt.net awww poor thing!

@prologic@twtxt.net the other day! the feeds stuff seems to be fixed :)

@prologic@twtxt.net you got this!!!

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Have you rebuild from main recently? 🤔

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Yeah to avoid cutting off bits at the end making hashes end in either q or a 🤣

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz No no, it’s just barks at the slightest thing going on around the neighborhod 😃 like it just goes a bit nuts often 🤣 it was a rescue dog, two years old, and it wasn’t treated very well, a street dog. I think it’s just basically afraid of every human in the world 😢

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev Programming is art. You become good at art by practising your art. You learn artistic patterns by being inspired by and reading others art works. The most importance however is that you practise your art.

@bender@twtxt.net hi bender!!!!!!!!!! noooo i hope you can play diablo soon T__T i’m still trying to figure out what to do - i caught up on a manga but then got bored again!

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Indeed! 😍

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev

You need break the routine.

I haven’t really done that lately. 🤔 Maybe have another go at Rust (given its increasing importance in the Linux kernel)? Or Elixir, yes, I only had some very, very brief contact with it. 🤔

I just came across an old forum posting of mine about Prolog. That brought up some memories. Prolog is pretty alien, but I do miss stuff like that because it’s so different.

Just thinking out loud here. 😅

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz good day, bored girl! I just finished watching a “Black Mirror” episode, and I and also bored. I want to play Diablo IV, but now the TV is monopolised by wife. Cry, cry, cryyyyyyyy!

@prologic@twtxt.net see if there’s anything wrong! maybe the little critter needs more food or water or just some playtime :)

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev @eapl.me@eapl.me Still lots of bugs in my client. 🥴 I’ll try to fix it next week.

And yes, using the same timestamp twice will very likely break threads.

@javivf@adn.org.es You also cut from the front and not the back.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Really? 😅 Thank you!

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev Alright. 👍 Btw, your feed uses spaces instead of tabs. 😅

@javivf@adn.org.es Yes and still in review .

@movq@www.uninformativ.de ok, I have included a small modification in the documentation to allow you to reply in your own thread: https://texudus.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
You can see my reply: https://andros.dev/texudus.txt
Don’t delete anything and give me time to make my modifications to the client.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org You are of course right! 🤣 There are some low level components that can and should be unit tested for sure! 👌

@prologic@twtxt.net I also wore gloves, but after hours of demanding work, my shoulders and wrists were shattered. I hope I’m back to normal tomorrow. :-)

@prologic@twtxt.net To clarify, from my observations on how the system behaves, it feels like that. This doesn’t make it any better, I know. Sorry mate! I never claimed that testing is always easy, but in my experience it sure does help cutting down regressions. But to each their own, no worries. The diagram is all Greek to me. Anyway.

@bender@twtxt.net True.

@prologic@twtxt.net Give it a toy? I don’t know, don’t have any dogs. 😅

@prologic@twtxt.net genuinely the sickest shit i’ve ever seen webdev is saved

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz It is 😅

@bmallred@staystrong.run You mean ActivityPub + Twtxt? 🤔

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Ysy!!! 🙌🙌🙌

@bmallred@staystrong.run It really is 🤣

@prologic@twtxt.net I JUST SAW THIS POST WITHOUT RESTARTING WE ARE SO BACK

@bender@twtxt.net Bahahah 🤣😂 mate, me and one of my SRE colleagues actually came up with the terminology ourselves! 😛

@prologic@twtxt.net thank you so much, just did all of that! i’ll report back if i still need to restart <3

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Heh I have to wear gloves now when swining an axe or it hurts my hands 🤣

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz / @xuu@txt.sour.is Recommend you git checkout main && git pull, rebuild and redeploy: make build, and however you deploy. 🙏 Lots of fixes (no more stalling) and optimizations to the feed fetcher, smoother cpu usage, better internal metrics.

I’m not even being facetious here either. I’d llove to see you “unit tests” this:

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Well you are being slightly rude 🤪 Sure you could write unit tests for this, but in practise testing emergent properties and behaviors of a system is actually a lot harder than you might realize. But I’m happy to always be proven wrong 😑

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Indeed, a Wüstenmaus sounds cute. However, a Wüstenratte — which is more a desert rat — not so much.

@prologic@twtxt.net ODD, lol. I don’t wanna be rude, but this sounds more like Code And Fix.

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Yeah right now I’m trying to see if I can “spread the CPU usage of fetching N feeds across M duration” so basically “smooth” out the spikes in CPU usage.

@prologic@twtxt.net nice! lol that’s such a real way to develop

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz I’ve almost fixed this btw 🤗 Just testing it thoroughly and polihsing the code. In case you’re curious, I do this style of development called “Observability Driven Development” (ODD) whereby I make observations of the system via metrics and internal observations and adjust the system’s overall behavior to the desired outcome 😅

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz with the help of a friend i got to build a nixOS server image from scratch and use it on a VPS! so that was neat!

@movq@www.uninformativ.de LMAO the power of static pages!

@prologic@twtxt.net oh i see it! thank you so much! it’s no problem i totally understand :)

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev I set up a test feed here:

https://www.uninformativ.de/texudus.txt

I made some preliminary adjustments to my client so that it can work with the different threading model. (And I totally get the concerns, this can be quite a bit of work. Especially in a large code base like Yarn.)

@movq@www.uninformativ.de @kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz @quark@ferengi.one In 2014 one person created protocol ii. Later it forked in IDEC. Why i said this? Because it’s simple “federated” forum-like protocol where from your station fetch another every 5-10 minutes. Stations has topic-based channels like idec.talks, linux.16, haiku.os, zx.spectrum. In short it’s FIDO but.. more modern? Documentation: https://github.com/idec-net/new-docs (mostly Russian, but you can use translator, also protocol already translated to english)

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt nah, I’m fine without a web ui. But I like what the dev did with the 2009 facebook/VK look, it kind of feels notsalgic. (the tld is a .me not a .com if anyone else wants to take a look atit)

Hey @kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz If you see this, I’m aware of a bug. I’m trying to figure it out and fix it. bare with me 🤗 It is what’s causing things to “stall” and to have to “restart”. Sorry 😞

@bender@twtxt.net Mainly the bsd.cafe ones. I like how the minimalist single column profiles look. Image embeds are full width and reading through threads feels nice (as in it doesn’t feel like pealing layers upon layers of a fresh onion).

@bender@twtxt.net Yes, you right. But is premium for more than that.
I use a feature I love a lot: customising different searches with different themes or links.
It’s easy to understand with an example. I have a search with the name “Django”. I set sources: Django documentation, stack overflow, topic “programming” and so on. It’s very quick to find Django solutions.
I also have another way to find my stuff: search my blog and repositories.
I had problems paying for the first mouths, now it’s a working tool for me.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de If you want, we can try it out between us. I’m just working on it (It was the easiest thing to do).

@quark@ferengi.one I’ll translate “desert rat” as “Wüstenmaus”, which is kind of cute, and I’ll pretend that you just didn’t call your partner a rat. 😂

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Off-topic areas are always a good idea. :-) Web forums often had those. And web forums are actually what I had in mind, @bender@twtxt.net. 😅 (While I do have a certain nostalgia for it now, Usenet has always been a bit weird to me. Can’t really explain why.)

@quark@ferengi.one Despite the Reddit part (I never understood it), this is a great analysis. I could not have put it any better. I also feel quite home here with the all feeds I follow. It’s a small bunch of good people.

@bender@twtxt.net no such luck, not happening. It’s almost 04:00 in Brisbane, just wait a bit until the @prologic@twtxt.netal son awakens.

I wonder if this twtxt will kick Yarnd into working again. There is only one way to find out, right?

@movq@www.uninformativ.de not bad! The yellowish/ivory tint makes it much easier on the eyes. I have gotten so use to “dark” mode, that find it hard switching to anything else.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de mine too, mine too! Imagine my frustration being married to someone who prefers the heat. It’s like a polar bear married to a desert rat. LOL.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de “topic-based forums/groups”, you mean what USENET used to be, and the “niche” that Reddit is fulfilling these days? :-D I get it, I agree. I think I find twtxt more fulfilling than anything else because of its small size. I feel like I truly know everyone (even if that might not be true), and find myself “at home”. The bigger the place, the shyest I become, the less enticing it is.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de @bender@twtxt.net 28°C right now, but luckily, just 20°C tomorrow and rain. Even a thunderstorm at night. On Sunday we’re down to 12°C. What a ride. Oh boys!

@movq@www.uninformativ.de this is so real… i think we need to bring back topic focused groups but like with a little off topic side of things just in case people wanna go off topic. so the option’s there but the intent is the topic! microblogging isn’t best for this yeah. i think this is part of why IRC still goes strong for many tech people

@prologic@twtxt.net i gave up on trying to get my local branch clean and just git clone’d main into a new directory and built from there LMAOOO it was such a mess i’m not good at git

i saw your commits fixing queue issues, fingers crossed it works on my end!

@bender@twtxt.net It’s like having good manners at the table. Use forks and knives. ;-)

@movq@www.uninformativ.de This suits the background image perfectly.

@bender@twtxt.net Baaaaaah 😂

These are ideal working conditions:

https://movq.de/v/c0fb720543/server.mp4

@movq@www.uninformativ.de welcome to a (for us, Floridians) “fresh day” temperature! Soon the daily rains will come, so it will be even hotter, and humid, and sticky. Lovely, eh? LOL.

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev@andros@twtxt.andros.dev <3

@movq@www.uninformativ.de TYYYY

Confession:

I’ve never found microblogging like twtxt or the Fediverse or any other “modern” social media to be truly fulfilling/satisfying.

The reason is that it is focused so much on people. You follow this or that person, everybody spends time making a nice profile page, the posts are all very “ego-centric”. Seriously, it feels like everybody is on an ego-trip all the time (this is much worse on the Fediverse, not so much here on twtxt).

I miss the days of topic-based forums/groups. A Linux forum here, a forum about programming there, another one about a certain game. Stuff like that. That was really great – and it didn’t even suffer from the need to federate.

Sadly, most of these forums are dead now. Especially the nerds spend a lot of time on the Fediverse now and have abandoned forums almost completely.

On Mastodon, you can follow hashtags, which somewhat emulates a topic-based experience. But it’s not that great and the protocol isn’t meant to be used that way (just read the snac2 docs on this issue). And the concept of “likes” has eliminated lots of the actual user interaction. ☹️

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev You know, I’d really love to see how/if location-based addressing works in practice. I might fork jenny to judy and run both things in parallel for a while … 🤔