@abucci@anthony.buc.ci Thank you for using Lyse’s Unofficial Yarnd Help Desk: https://lyse.isobeef.org/tmp/yarnd-disable-registrations.png

Today, I learned about vim "+normal $", how cool! :-) Thanks @quark@ferengi.one!

@movq@www.uninformativ.de, maybe you can help me with this. I want to place the vim cursor at the end of the first line on replies, and forks. I have tried adding to this to jenny’s configuration:

"editor": "vim \"+normal $\"",

But that doesn’t work. How would you go about it?

@prologic@twtxt.net sounds fair. Let’s see how it works for @abucci@anthony.buc.ci. Speedy fix, that’s awesome! :-)

@bender@twtxt.net and I saw some conspiracy theory that he knew he was going to be arrested. He was working with French intelligence on a plea deal to defect. And now Russia is freaking out that Ukraine allies can have war comms access.

Yikes! If only they had salty.im!

There is a bug in yarnd that’s been around for awhile and is still present in the current version I’m running that lets a person hit a constructed URL like

YOUR_POD/external?nick=lovetocode999&uri=https://socialmphl.com/story19510368/doujin

and see a legitimate-looking page on YOUR_POD, with an HTTP code 200 (success). From that fake page you can even follow an external feed. Try it yourself, replacing “YOUR_POD” with the URL of any yarnd pod you know. Try following the feed.

I think URLs like this should return errors. They should not render HTML, nor produce legitimate-looking pages. This mechanism is ripe for DDoS attacks. My pod gets roughly 70,000 hits per day to URLs like this. Many are porn or other types of content I do not want. At this point, if it’s not fixed soon I am going to have to shut down my pod. @prologic@twtxt.net please have a look.

@mckinley@twtxt.net He’s signed up three times now even though I keep deleting the account, which is enough for me to permaban this person. I don’t technically want open registrations on my pod but up till now I’ve been too lazy to figure out how to turn them off and actually do that, and there hasn’t been a pressing need. I may have to now.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de is there a way to purge twtxts from a feed I no longer follow?

@movq@www.uninformativ.de, using the branch on topic right now, it works perfect. The only thing I found was that I had to quit neomutt, and re-open, to see the perfect thread. Other than that, I love it!

@bender@twtxt.net hmm, I wonder if these are simply twtxts auto created from an ActivityPub feed. Ah, crap, they are. LOL.

Because I saw the nick on movq (@prologic@twtxt.net, can’t mention anyone outside this pod, by the way), I looked the user up: https://tilde.pt/~marado/twtxt.txt. I wonder if the “hashes” they are using will work out of the box with jenny.

Talking about jenny, going to play with the latest now. Tata! :-)

👋 Hello @nigergibe@anthony.buc.ci, welcome to Buccipod, a Yarn.social Pod! To get started you may want to check out the pod’s Discover feed to find users to follow and interact with. To follow new users, use the ⨁ Follow button on their profile page or use the Follow form and enter a Twtxt URL. You may also find other feeds of interest via Feeds. Welcome! 🤗

@falsifian@www.falsifian.org @bender@twtxt.net I pushed an alternative implementation to the fetch-context branch. This integrates the whole thing into mutt/jenny.

You will want to configure a new mutt hotkey, similar to the “reply” hotkey:

macro index,pager <esc>C "\
<enter-command> set my_pipe_decode=\$pipe_decode nopipe_decode<Enter>\
<pipe-message> jenny -c<Enter>\
<enter-command> set pipe_decode=\$my_pipe_decode; unset my_pipe_decode<Enter>" \
"Try to fetch context of current twt, like a missing root twt"

This pipes the mail to jenny -c. jenny will try to find the thread hash and the URL and then fetch it. (If there’s no URL or if the specific twt cannot be found in that particular feed, it could query a Yarn pod. That is not yet implemented, though.)

The whole thing looks like this:

https://movq.de/v/0d0e76a180/jenny.mp4

In other words, when there’s a missing root twt, you press a hotkey to fetch it, done.

I think I like this version better. 🤔

(This needs a lot of testing. 😆)

@prologic@twtxt.net Yes, fetching the twt by hash from some service could be a good alternative, in case the twt I have does not @-mention the source. (Besides yarnd, maybe this should be part of the registry API? I don’t see fetch-by-hash in the registry API docs.)

@movq@www.uninformativ.de confirming that the issue isn’t present when using alacrity. Wow.

@falsifian@www.falsifian.org the reason behind his sporadic disappearances is that he runs things from a Raspberry Pi, at home, I believe. That impacts reliability, I figure.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de my fault! Err, I meant to say, @bender@twtxt.net’s! LOL.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org ah, if only you were to finally clean up that code, and make that client widely available…! One can only dream, right? :-)

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org I mean, dinosaurs “evolved” by getting wiped, right? :-D

@movq@www.uninformativ.de you said you liked seeing the hash (which is a fair choice!). All I am asking is for a reconsideration as a user configurable feature. ;-) It looks redundant, in my opinion.

So, by “evolve” you actually mean “remove”, @prologic@twtxt.net? :-?

@bender@twtxt.net it sure breaks the index formatting.

@quark@ferengi.one this is what I see:

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com, this one, @movq@www.uninformativ.de, is slightly breaking my neomutt index. Will post screenshot from @bender@twtxt.net’s account.

Correct, @bender@twtxt.net. Since the very beginning, my twtxt flow is very flawed. But it turns out to be an advantage for this sort of problem. :-) I still use the official (but patched) twtxt client by buckket to actually fetch and fill the cache. I think one of of the patches played around with the error reporting. This way, any problems with fetching or parsing feeds show up immediately. Once I think, I’ve seen enough errors, I unsubscribe.

tt is just a viewer into the cache. The read statuses are stored in a separate database file.

It also happened a few times, that I thought some feed was permanently dead and removed it from my list. But then, others mentioned it, so I resubscribed.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de, that would be a nice addition. :-) I would also love the ability to hide/not show the hash when reading twtxts (after all, that’s on the header on each “email”). Could that be added as a user configurable toggle?

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I don’t know if I’d want to discard the twts. I think what I’m looking for is a command “jenny -g https://host.org/twtxt.txt” to fetch just that one feed, even if it’s not in my follow list. I could wrap that in a shell script so that when I see a twt in reply to a feed I don’t follow, I can just tap a key and the feed will get added to my maildir. I guess the script would look for a mention at the start of a selected twt and call jenny -g on the feed.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org so, is it safe to assume you occasionally, but carefully, vet your feeds, and have contingencies in place to not keep requesting a seemingly dead feed over and over?

@falsifian@www.falsifian.org @bender@twtxt.net I’d certainly hate my client for automatic feed unsubscription, too.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Is there a good way to get jenny to do a one-off fetch of a feed, for when you want to fill in missing parts of a thread? I just added @slashdot@feeds.twtxt.net to my private follow file just because @prologic@twtxt.net keeps responding to the feed :-P and I want to know what he’s commenting on even though I don’t want to see every new slashdot twt.

@bender@twtxt.net Based on my experience so far, as a user, I would be upset if my client dropped someone from my follower list, i.e. stopped fetching their feed, without me asking for that to happen.

@prologic@twtxt.net Yeah, I’ve noticed that as well when I hacked around. That’s a very good addition, ta! :-)

Getting to this view felt suprisingly difficult, though. I always expected my feeds I follow in the “Feeds” tab. You won’t believe how many times I clicked on “Feeds” yesterday evening. :-D Adding at least a link to my following list on the “Feeds” page would help my learning resistence. But that’s something different.

Also, turns out that “My Feeds” is the list of feeds that I author myself, not the ones I have subscribed to. The naming is alright, I can see that it makes sense. It just was an initial surprise that came up.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org errors are already reported to users, but they’re only visible in the following list.

@bender@twtxt.net I’m not a yarnd user, but automatically unfollowing on 404 doesn’t seem right. Besides @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org’s example, I could imagine just accidentally renaming my own twtxt file, or forgetting to push it when I point my DNS to a new web server. I’d rather not lose all my yarnd followers in a situation like that (and hopefully they feel the same).

@bender@twtxt.net 404 could be indeed a temporary error if the file resides on a mounted remote filesystem and then the mount point fails for some reason. With a symlink from the web root to the file on the mount, the web server probably will not recognize the mount point failure as such. Thus, it might not reply with a 503 Service Unavailable (or something like that), but 404 Not Found instead. (I could be wrong on that, though.)

The right™ way is to signal 410 Gone if the feed does not exist anymore and will not come back to life again. But that’s hard to come by in the wild. Somebody has to manually configure that in almost all situations.

But yes, as @falsifian@www.falsifian.org points out, exponential backoff looks like a good strategy. Probably even report a failure to users somehow, so they can check and potentially unsubscribe.

@prologic@twtxt.net @bender@twtxt.net Exponential backoff? Seems like the right thing to do when a server isn’t accepting your connections at all, and might also be a reasonable compromise if you consider 404 to be a temporary failure.

@xuu@txt.sour.is I don’t even have a WhatsApp password, it never asked me? 🤔

@prologic@twtxt.net I think it was some mix of phish and social engineering. She didn’t have the multifactor enabled. But i think she had clicked a message that had a fake login. She talked to someone on a phone and they made her do some things.

I never got the whole story of how it happened.

@prologic@twtxt.net, does this rings a bell to you? 159-196-9-199.9fc409.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net

@movq@www.uninformativ.de pleas no.

My wifes mom nearly got her account fully taken over by some hacker. They were able to get control and change password but I was able to get it recovered before they could get the phone number reset. They sent messages to all her contacts to send cash.

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@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org we had a huge thunder/lighning storm last night here too. Kids got really scared (it struck something very close here), and the dog panicked (he opened all doors and would only sleep in kitchen). We woke up around 2 at night from it. But kids luckily fell a sleep again.

@prologic@twtxt.net The headline is interesting and sent me down a rabbit hole understanding what the paper (https://aclanthology.org/2024.acl-long.279/) actually says.

The result is interesting, but the Neuroscience News headline greatly overstates it. If I’ve understood right, they are arguing (with strong evidence) that the simple technique of making neural nets bigger and bigger isn’t quite as magically effective as people say — if you use it on its own. In particular, they evaluate LLMs without two common enhancements, in-context learning and instruction tuning. Both of those involve using a small number of examples of the particular task to improve the model’s performance, and they turn them off because they are not part of what is called “emergence”: “an ability to solve a task which is absent in smaller models, but present in LLMs”.

They show that these restricted LLMs only outperform smaller models (i.e demonstrate emergence) on certain tasks, and then (end of Section 4.1) discuss the nature of those few tasks that showed emergence.

I’d love to hear more from someone more familiar with this stuff. (I’ve done research that touches on ML, but neural nets and especially LLMs aren’t my area at all.) In particular, how compelling is this finding that zero-shot learning (i.e. without in-context learning or instruction tuning) remains hard as model size grows.

@prologic@twtxt.net +1 for FrankenPHP. And built into caddy is also swell.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Variable names used with -eq in [[ ]] are automatically expanded even without $ as explained in the “ARITHMETIC EVALUATION” section of the bash man page. Interesting. Trying this on OpenBSD’s ksh, it seems “set -u” doesn’t affect that substitution.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de It’s hot here as well. Luckily should only last a couple of days. Bunkering down in our home and keeping all the doors and windows closed. No airco. Fans give some relieve.

@prologic@twtxt.net 35°C outside. 🫤 I’m just gonna sit here and wait for November. 😂

@movq@www.uninformativ.de If it still existed I bet the first thing he’d do is convert it to Golang 👌🤣

@prologic@twtxt.net I don’t know what you mean when you call them stochastic parrots, or how you define understanding. It’s certainly true that current language models show an obvious lack of understanding in many situations, but I find the trend impressive. I would love to see someone achieve similar results with much less power or training data.

OK I found this one, small enough, but where does it install to? can’t find the app, of any files of anything.
Being a total novice to Linux stuff….where is this file located and why don’t they prompt you for a folder location of the program? And why such a stupid name? Dozens to choose from and most over 300MB, not what I want - I just want Apache to run the index.html webpage or the index.php webpage. I do not need Javascript or Java programming editors….

@prologic@twtxt.net I thought “stochastic parrot” meant a complete lack of understanding.

@off_grid_living@twtxt.net Is there a particular reason why you run it through wine? And not the ‘standard’ ubuntu way of doing it? It’ll make it much easier to make sure things are working the way it should.. :)

@prologic@twtxt.net During summer - yes, since our kids have 2 months. First month of their vacation I still work, then I join them on their last month. We do have 5 weeks, so I save the last week for around Christmas. :)

@movq@www.uninformativ.de The success of large neural nets. People love to criticize today’s LLMs and image models, but if you compare them to what we had before, the progress is astonishing.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de There are drivers and such for linux as well. I also think it works fine with steamVR on linux (But currently my main computer for gaming is running windows) so I have not tested VR on linux yet. I am planning on installing linux on that machine when I get a extra disk for it soon. (I run linux on all other laptops I have, but those are not good enough for VR stuff).

@movq@www.uninformativ.de @prologic@twtxt.net @aelaraji@aelaraji.com , yeah, I have one. First one I bought was the first oculus on kickstarter. Then facebook delivered their first (after they bought oculus) on my doorstep for free (since I backed the first oculus on kickstarter). I use it a lot, especially for Xplane (flight sim) and Elite: Dangerous etc. It’s not one of those quest standalone VR headsets I have, it’s the one you hook up to a computer.

@prologic@twtxt.net Yeah :) That’s correct!

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Hm, that has to be VR.

@prologic@twtxt.net Nothing yet, I have it set up for solo mining, so if it finds something - then I get full reward.
Someone with a bitaxe found a block last week, all though it’s very unlikely. But there is still a chance.

@prologic@twtxt.net Thanks. It’s from a non-Euclidean geometry project: https://www.falsifian.org/blog/2022/01/17/s3d/

@prologic@twtxt.net Thanks for the invitation. What time of day?

@falsifian@www.falsifian.org by the way, on the last Saturday of every month, we generally hold a online video call/social meet up, where we just get together and talk about stuff if, you’re interested in joining us this month.

@prologic@twtxt.net Fair enough! I just added some metadata.

Thanks @prologic@twtxt.net! I like the way Yarn.social is making all of twtxt stronger, not just Yarn.social pods.

@prologic@twtxt.net I use this: https://pub.dev/packages/flutter_secure_storage

@falsifian@www.falsifian.org You need an Avatar 😅

Does anyone care about the 140-char limit recommended by the #twtxt spec? I have been trying to respect it but wonder if it’s wasted effort.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Thanks!

Hello twtxt! I’m James (or @falsifian@www.falsifian.org). I live in Toronto. Recent interests include space complexity, simple software, and science fiction.

@melyanna@tilde.club Always fun to work on things like that :)

I would like to work on my Mastodon and TWTXT script to improve it.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de my bad man. I left off a return in the formatter func. I have a PR to fix waiting on @prologic@twtxt.net

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org wow on my browser it shows up as all stars! •••••••

Let me suggest to use a more secure password, @bender@twtxt.net. One, that does not contain “password”. Like hunter2!!

@prologic@twtxt.net ‘Clownflare’ 🤣🤣🤣 Love it.

But yes the idea of a cheap VPS as a tunnel and keeping home network all local is a good one I reckon.

@bender@twtxt.net / @mckinley@twtxt.net could you both please change your password immediately? I will also work on some other security hardening that I have a hunch about, but will not publicize for now.

A equivalent yarnc debug <url> only sees the 2nd hash

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org will be fixed, thanks!

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com Ahh it might very well be a Clownflare thing as @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org eluded to 🤣 One of these days I’m going to get off Clownflare myself, when I do I’ll share it with you. My idea is to basically have a cheap VPS like @eldersnake@we.loveprivacy.club has and use Wireguard to tunnel out. The VPS becomes the Reverse Proxy that faces the internet. My home network then has in inbound whatsoever.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Ahh so it’s not just me! 😅

I learnt how to display a txt file in a html page in a pretty way: https://melyanna.ichi.city/twtxt.html

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org 33 and rain! Do you have thunder as well? Here it’s been really nice too, but not 33 :)

I just revisited my first script which posts to Mastodon and twtxt from CLI

@bender@twtxt.net Yeah, when you mention it.. Norway is a pretty clean place. That bike has gone 2200km now, and I have not washed it once :) It’s worse during spring and when snow melts etc, but this time of the year it’s pretty nice :)

@prologic@twtxt.net Good to know. I must admit I’ve never actually used a Docker instance, probably as I just assumed the overhead might be a bit much for my usual very modest servers.

@bender@twtxt.net Is it so maxed out you couldn’t fit a pretty small program like Headscale on it? Headscale by itself and only personal home type use as far as amount of peers go, it really isn’t noticeable I don’t think resource-wise. The Docker version I guess could be a different story.

@bender@twtxt.net Mine is about the same, though I have 20GB left 😅 In terms of resources, Headscale is using next to nothing though.

@eldersnake@we.loveprivacy.club how big is that VPS, if you can tell? My 1 vCPU, 2GB, 50GB is maxed out. 😬

@prologic@twtxt.net Yes I suppose that is true. There is an article on Tailscale’s site that explains it all quite a bit: https://tailscale.com/blog/how-nat-traversal-works

To me, with CGNAT, it’s a small miracle that a direct connection can be made between peers (as opposed to going through a relay constantly) but it does indeed work. I guess to host it at home you would need to have it WAN accessible, and if you’ve already gone to the trouble of port forwarding etc… well 😅
Not that I could personally do that, but for those with static IPs etc.

@bender@twtxt.net on my hosted VPS, as I’m on Starlink which is CGNAT, I need some sort of external intermediary.

@prologic@twtxt.net Interesting! Had no idea about that, but trust you to know of a self-hosted implementation 😅👌

@bender@twtxt.net It cost what you mentioned here too, but they had a special discount, and the shop gave 20% discount for all the gear we needed (since I bought the bike + gear for two persons), so all in all I got a really good deal on it. Also interest rate is locked for 3 years (low rate) so that was also a good deal.
I just took the longest time I could on the loan, to have a low price each month, and then i just pay extra whenever I can to get it payed down faster.
Luckily the Marlyn, my son, and my daughter all fit the same gear, so the 3 of them share that, that saved a lot of money too :)

When i met Marlyn (before we had kids) I asked here to go on her first trip with me (I had a bike before I met her back then), and we went on a 2 week ride from Norway to Italy and back (venice) through the alps and all that. Was super fun, and I think it’s pretty cool of her to say yes to a 2 week trip as passenger :)

@bender@twtxt.net haha funny! though i just realized my ISP is the only one with fiber pulled to the property so i would have to get a phone line from them some how. The other ISP in the area is basically a mobile hotspot.

@xuu@txt.sour.is wow, not cool.

@xuu@txt.sour.is For what reason?

Hey so.. i just got an email from my ISP saying they will terminate my service. Did i break something @abucci@anthony.buc.ci ?

@prologic@twtxt.net sleep well!

Anyway, I’m gonna have to go to bed… We’ll continue this on the weekend. Still trying to hunt down some kind of suspected mult-GB avatar using @stigatle@yarn.stigatle.no ’s pod’s cache:

$ (echo "URL Bytes"; sort -n -k 2 -r < avatars.txt | head) | column -t
URL                                                                                                       Bytes
https://birkbak.neocities.org/avatar.jpg                                                                  667640
https://darch.neocities.org/avatar.png                                                                    652960
http://darch.dk/avatar.png                                                                                603210
https://social.naln1.ca/media/0c4f65a4be32ff3caf54efb60166a8c965cc6ac7c30a0efd1e51c307b087f47b.png        327947
...

But so far nothing much… Still running the search…

@prologic@twtxt.net @abucci@anthony.buc.ci my /tmp is fine now, no avatars there. I have to drive my daughter to a birthday party now, but I keep things running and I’ll check when I get back.

@abucci@anthony.buc.ci yeah I can see it :)