Yeah, @eapl.me@eapl.me, I kinda like file extensions in some situations. What do you think of twtxt.exe, @bender@twtxt.net? ]:->

also, about twtxt … https://twtxt.dev/

What is BSS? What is Twtxt?

@eapl.me@eapl.me@eapl.me@eapl.me Done! 👌

I’ll be using another URL for this twtxt.

The older one will redirect to the new for a while (I’m not sure what would happen if you follow both URLs, I assume it’s better to add the new one and remove the older)

Please update your following list to https://eapl.me/tw.txt !

I’ll be using another URL for this twtxt.

The older one will redirect to the new for a while (I’m not sure what would happen if you follow both URLs, I assume it’s better to add the new one and remove the older)

Please update your following list to https://eapl.me/tw.txt !

@anth hehe, cool!

I’m changing mine to tw.txt -> https://eapl.me/tw.txt
And the older twtxt.txt will be redirecting for a while

@prologic@twtxt.net What IRC client is that?

da fuq?! Haven’t seen this kind of shit™ on IRC since the good ‘ol days of AustNet (now dead right?) when IRC was way more popular than it is today 🤣 #IRC #Porn

@eapl@eapl.mx I agree with you that the obviously-correct filename is tw.txt. That’s what mine’s always been.

@phoronix@feeds.twtxt.net oh gee the syntax of that thing 😆

@funbreaker@we.loveprivacy.club welcome!

Grab this one and enhance it, @prologic@twtxt.net?

Haha! I love the idea of this place! feels like BBS made a baby with Twtxt

/ME shouting: Make TWTXT GREAT AGAIN!! o/

Google Drive? Can he give direct link? Idk about he but twtxt feed can he hosted in s3!

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com Can you walk me through your testing process here and share example links etc? 🙏

@bender@twtxt.net I wonder where that dude who was hosting his twtxt feed in a google drive go? 😆 that was hilarious!!

Did I write here already that the reason why I love Twtxt so much is that it works without having to compile, install anything extra. Just the bin applications that come with 95% of all operating systems and you’re good to read and participate, giving you have a domain name somewhere to host the twtxt.txt file.

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com https://github.com/sorenpeter/timeline/commit/555baefcd0e75e6a281472994e8eb7ae9b5d2a1c

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I will take that as a compliment

Wow, it seem my #Webmentions implementation works from Mastodon via brid.gy

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@sorenpeter@darch.dk

“A minimalist social network powered by plain text files”

My brain keeps shortening this to “a socialist network …” and then jumps to “uhh, large parts of the US won’t like this” … 🤦🤪

Added TwtHash hashes to every message on my personal Twtxt HTML renderer. Code is not yet ready for prime-time. Need to work out some kinks still.

yep, my point is that the txt part is redundant for twtxt

Also a .txt file could be in any format, for example those plans from John Carmak are stored now as .txt -> https://github.com/ESWAT/john-carmack-plan-archive/blob/master/by_day/johnc_plan_19960218.txt
Although being named .plan was expected for them to work, if I recall correctly -> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/P/plan-file.html

I have been on Twtxt for five years straight now. Hurray me.

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com as you can see, not much. Things continue to work fine (my fake one is cached on Neomutt). :-)

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt Hah! 🤣

@prologic@twtxt.net Twtxt wise, it was kind of disparate at first xD with no access to logs as you may have read on the alt-feed itself. But then, @sorenpeter@darch.dk’s script came to the rescue … like, just in time 😁 Otherwise, everything else is fun as publicised, exploring and learning along the way.

Hi @prologic@twtxt.net Hi @bender@twtxt.net 😁 now, Why is my @ mention is all over the place? xD this feed has a # nick = skinshafi so… should I scream buuug ? 🤔

Yes it work: 2024-12-01T19:38:35Z twtxt/1.2.3 (+https://eapl.mx/twtxt.txt; @eapl) :D

The .log is just a simple append each request. The idea with the .cvs is to have it tally up how many request there have been from each client as a way to avoid having the log file grow too big. And that you can open the .cvs as a spreadsheet and have an easy overview and filtering options.

Access to those files are closed to the public.

@eapl.mx@eapl.mx Yes, the idea is to add User Agent support to #Timeline.
Right now it just adds every request to a growing log file, but I have also been working on a way to analyse it, so it only saves the time of the latest request.
I’m not sure how to make it part of timeline itself, since it requeses that you redirect/rewrite from twtAgent.php to the acctual twtxt.txt
Help with making Timeline send proper User Agents to others would be much appreciated:)

@sorenpeter@darch.dk hey!
I’m watching that now your .txt is pointing to https://darch.dk/twtAgent.php

What are you trying? Catching the Headers as in https://twtxt.readthedocs.io/en/latest/user/discoverability.html ? (I think it’s a clever idea BTW)
And is it something you plan to add to timeline?

Hello Twtxt!

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org One person had came access it before, but no tried it

@prologic@twtxt.net Just that people thought twtxt sounded cool and maybe want to set it up themself

@eapl.mx@eapl.mx Super to see you got webmentions working too :)

EDIT: A webmention was send to: https://eapl.mx/timeline/webmention (Status: 202)

@johanbove@johanbove.info Thanks, I’m glad you like it.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de There was no time for discussion just after the presentation, but I had a chat with some folks later.

@eapl.mx@eapl.mx Esta prueba intentará mandar un Webnotification… Veamos!

@quark@ferengi.one What would happen if I replayed to this twt from the future, when I’m still in it’s relative past? 🤔

@sorenpeter@darch.dk Really cool that you did the presentation about Twtxt! Thanks for doing this.

“A minimalist social network powered by plain text files” - my talk about #twtxt from #Piksel24 Festival is now on YouTube and slides can be found at http://darch.dk/twtxtalk-piksel

@<@chyrp.doesnm.cc https://chyrp.doesnm.cc/twtxt.txt> this is broken in jenny too, I figure. No nick breaks things.

@bender@twtxt.net Ollama currently. It’s been rock solid.

@prologic@twtxt.net to interact with locally running LLM, which software are you using? LM Studio, or Ollama, or…?

@prologic@twtxt.net glad to have joined to the call, twice! :-) I think it was the last call of 2024. Hoping to see more for the one towards the end of January!

Hello, @bender@twtxt.net

@prologic@twtxt.net yeah it’s a light post. I was commenting more on how it’s comments are integed with bsky.

@prologic@twtxt.net i think we talked about it before blogs were removed

@xuu@txt.sour.is Why don’t or can’t we support that capability?

@shreyan@twtxt.net I see you got a shout out too 😆

This is so neat.

https://emilyliu.me/blog/open-network

When yarn used to have blogs I thought something like this would be a great feature. Having the blog comments tied to a twtxt subject for the blog post.

I’m giving a shot talk about twtxt/yarn/timeline tommow around noon CET at Piksel Festival in Norway. More info and link for live stream at: https://24.piksel.no
(So I will most likely not be joining the call)

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt No it’s all good… I’ve just rebuilt it from master and it doesn’t look like anything is broken:

~/GitRepos> git clone https://github.com/plomlompom/htwtxt.git
Cloning into 'htwtxt'...
remote: Enumerating objects: 411, done.
remote: Total 411 (delta 0), reused 0 (delta 0), pack-reused 411 (from 1)
Receiving objects: 100% (411/411), 87.89 KiB | 430.00 KiB/s, done.
Resolving deltas: 100% (238/238), done.
~/GitRepos> cd htwtxt
master ~/GitRepos/htwtxt> go mod init htwtxt
go: creating new go.mod: module htwtxt
go: to add module requirements and sums:
        go mod tidy
master ~/GitRepos/htwtxt> go mod tidy
go: finding module for package github.com/gorilla/mux
go: finding module for package golang.org/x/crypto/bcrypt
go: finding module for package gopkg.in/gomail.v2
go: finding module for package golang.org/x/crypto/ssh/terminal
go: found github.com/gorilla/mux in github.com/gorilla/mux v1.8.1
go: found golang.org/x/crypto/bcrypt in golang.org/x/crypto v0.29.0
go: found golang.org/x/crypto/ssh/terminal in golang.org/x/crypto v0.29.0
go: found gopkg.in/gomail.v2 in gopkg.in/gomail.v2 v2.0.0-20160411212932-81ebce5c23df
go: finding module for package gopkg.in/alexcesaro/quotedprintable.v3
go: found gopkg.in/alexcesaro/quotedprintable.v3 in gopkg.in/alexcesaro/quotedprintable.v3 v3.0.0-20150716171945-2caba252f4dc
master ~/GitRepos/htwtxt> go build
master ~/GitRepos/htwtxt> ll
.rw-r--r-- aelaraji aelaraji 330 B  Fri Nov 22 20:25:52 2024  go.mod
.rw-r--r-- aelaraji aelaraji 1.1 KB Fri Nov 22 20:25:52 2024  go.sum
.rw-r--r-- aelaraji aelaraji 8.9 KB Fri Nov 22 20:25:06 2024  handlers.go
.rwxr-xr-x aelaraji aelaraji  12 MB Fri Nov 22 20:26:18 2024  htwtxt                 <-------- There's the binary ;)
.rw-r--r-- aelaraji aelaraji 4.2 KB Fri Nov 22 20:25:06 2024  io.go
.rw-r--r-- aelaraji aelaraji  34 KB Fri Nov 22 20:25:06 2024  LICENSE
.rw-r--r-- aelaraji aelaraji 8.5 KB Fri Nov 22 20:25:06 2024  main.go
.rw-r--r-- aelaraji aelaraji 5.5 KB Fri Nov 22 20:25:06 2024  README.md
drwxr-xr-x aelaraji aelaraji 4.0 KB Fri Nov 22 20:25:06 2024  templates

@bender@twtxt.net Gave it a try on Termux same thing @doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt uses and it worked 👍

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@bender@twtxt.net The tagline of Timeline is “a single user twtxt/yarn pod” not just a yarn pod. Similar to GNU/Linux. When we came up with the concept of Yarn Social it was a way to rebrand twtxt with the extensions that makes conversations like this possible.

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt never!

@bender@twtxt.net hmm.. indeed.

@bender@twtxt.net the EF this feed is muted. Why is yarn busted? 😁 @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org @prologic@twtxt.net

@bender@twtxt.net … a Twtxt Pod then 🤷

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com icons at the top are badly organised while on mobile. About the speed, that’s using a shoddy PHP code, it would be slow even when running in a quantum computer. :’-D

Great to see another user @aelaraji@aelaraji.com - And I can confirm that my #webmentions works from your server

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Hey @aelaraji@aelaraji.com I’m running PHP 8.2 on my server

Hey @sorenpeter@darch.dk what version of PHP do you run Timeline on?

@bender@twtxt.net So turns out something is setting my HashingURI to the value {{ .Profile.URI }} and that is making my hashes wrong so it cannot delete or edit twts.

@bender@twtxt.net trying to figure out a bug in yarn.

@xuu@txt.sour.is 12345?

@prologic@twtxt.net Cheers, mate, just saw this reply so thank you. And hope you are feeling better now!

I agree with what you say too. The whole thing is just an odd approach and can’t possibly be effective, all the while causing inconveniences or at worst, being plain weird and invasive like ID verification.

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt up to you. I have mine to rotate at 1,000 twtxts. I have vomited over 400, so far. I have some way to go till rotation. :-D

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I knew you would like it;)

@prologic@twtxt.net yes, web content indeed is/has become. I will say a little bit of both. Trying my best not to lose faith in humanity. :‘-/

You need quant computer to host these key services. Nobody will do that. ActivityPub/Twtxt instance can be hosted on calculator

@prologic@twtxt.net I recommend its Wikipedia entry is edited then, if you are completely certain.

“Bluesky is a decentralized microblogging social media service primarily operated by Bluesky Social, PBC.”

That I know of, you can run the PDS, and pretty much everything else.

@prologic@twtxt.net see my profile.

@prologic@twtxt.net yes.

@prologic@twtxt.net just rebuild my image.. though git says i am already at latest

@prologic@twtxt.net All good mate.

@prologic@twtxt.net what do we make of Labor’s proposed social media minimum age ban, I.e ID verification, and the likes of Yarn? I haven’t been able to find out exactly how far the legislation goes, but some have said it’s broad enough to include any site that even has a comment section 🤔 but that could be FUD.

@prologic@twtxt.net I never got the root for this

@wbknl@twtxt.net I have thought of getting one. I wish there were easier tools for it than direwolf

@bender@twtxt.net Linux and Android. I would never iOS my friend.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org agree on the HTTP stuff. I mean we could mention that for optimization see RFC yadda yadda should be followed for caching. but not have it part of the spec proper.

@bender@twtxt.net 😜

@bender@twtxt.net 😛

@sorenpeter@darch.dk #NSFS #NotSafeForSorenpeter

@eapl.me@eapl.me Neat.

So for twt metadata the lextwt parser currently supports values in the form [key=value]

https://git.mills.io/yarnsocial/go-lextwt/src/branch/main/parser_test.go#L692-L698

@sorenpeter@darch.dk on 4 for gemini if your TLS client certificate contains your nick@host could that work for discovery?

@wbknl@twtxt.net are you still in Russia? It could be hard mailing anything to there these days. I read your “russia is eternally cold”, and became curious. Patagonia is the only place I know on South America that it has rounded mountains, though they can be anywhere. Originally from Chile, or Argentina? My curiosity doesn’t need feeding, by the way. It’s all good if it doesn’t. :-)

This morning (and a little bit of the afternoon) the idea of having a full referenced archive of twtxts on the web has consumed me a bit. I am talking about something similar to the email archives one see online, but for twtxts, and a more personal level. Such archive would be available, even if the involved feeds are long gone, because feeds will be treated as received emails.

@eapl.me@eapl.me here are my replies (somewhat similar to Lyse’s and James’)

1. Metadata in twts: Key=value is too complicated for non-hackers and hard to write by hand. So if there is a need then we should just use #NSFS or the alt-text file in markdown image syntax ![NSFW](url.to/image.jpg) if something is NSFW

2. IDs besides datetime. When you edit a twt then you should preserve the datetime if location-based addressing should have any advantages over content-based addressing. If you change the timestamp the its a new post. Just like any other blog cms.

3. Caching, Yes all good ideas, but that is more a task for the clients not the serving of the twtxt.txt files.

4. Discovery: User-agent for discovery can become better. I’m working on a wrapper script in PHP, so you don’t need to go to Apaches log-files to see who fetches your feed. But for other Gemini and gopher you need to relay on something else. That could be using my webmentions for twtxt suggestion, or simply defining an email metadata field for letting a person know you follow their feed. Interesting read about why WebMetions might be a bad idea. Twtxt being much simple that a full featured IndieWeb sites, then a lot of the concerns does not apply here. But that’s the issue with any open inbox. This is hard to solve without some form of (centralized or community) spam moderation.

5. Support more protocols besides http/s. Yes why not, if we can make clients that merge or diffident between the same feed server by multiples URLs

6. Languages: If the need is big then make a separate feed. I don’t mind seeing stuff in other langues as it is low. You got translating tool if you need to know whats going on. And again when there is a need for easier switching between posting to several feeds, then it’s about building clients with a UI that makes it easy. No something that should takes up space in the format/protocol.

7. Emojis: I’m not sure what this is about. Do you want to use emojis as avatar in CLI clients or it just about rendering emojis?

Thanks @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org! I’m replying here https://text.eapl.mx/reply-to-lyse-about-twtxt

Thanks @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org! I’m replying here https://text.eapl.mx/reply-to-lyse-about-twtxt

Righto, @eapl.me@eapl.me, ta for the writeup. Here we go. :-)

Metadata on individual twts are too much for me. I do like the simplicity of the current spec. But I understand where you’re coming from.

Numbering twts in a feed is basically the attempt of generating message IDs. It’s an interesting idea, but I reckon it is not even needed. I’d simply use location based addressing (feed URL + ‘#’ + timestamp) instead of content addressing. If one really wanted to, one could hash the feed URL and timestamp, but the raw form would actually improve disoverability and would not even require a richer client. But the majority of twtxt users in the last poll wanted to stick with content addressing.

yarnd actually sends If-Modified-Since request headers. Not only can I observe heaps of 304 responses for yarnds in my access log, but in Cache.FetchFeeds(…) we can actually see If-Modified-Since being deployed when the feed has been retrieved with a Last-Modified response header before: https://git.mills.io/yarnsocial/yarn/src/commit/98eee5124ae425deb825fb5f8788a0773ec5bdd0/internal/cache.go#L1278

Turns out etags with If-None-Match are only supported when yarnd serves avatars (https://git.mills.io/yarnsocial/yarn/src/commit/98eee5124ae425deb825fb5f8788a0773ec5bdd0/internal/handlers.go#L158) and media uploads (https://git.mills.io/yarnsocial/yarn/src/commit/98eee5124ae425deb825fb5f8788a0773ec5bdd0/internal/media_handlers.go#L71). However, it ignores possible etags when fetching feeds.

I don’t understand how the discovery URLs should work to replace the User-Agent header in HTTP(S) requests. Do you mind to elaborate?

Different protocols are basically just a client thing.

I reckon it’s best to just avoid mixing several languages in one feed in the first place. Personally, I find it okay to occasionally write messages in other languages, but if that happens on a more regularly basis, I’d definitely create a different feed for other languages.

Isn’t the emoji thing “just” a client feature? So, feed do not even have to state any emojis. As a user I’d configure my client to use a certain symbol for feed ABC. Currently, I can do a similar thing in tt where I assign colors to feeds. On the other hand, what if a user wants to control what symbol should be displayed, similar to the feed’s nick? Hmm. But still, my terminal font doesn’t even render most of emojis. So, Unicode boxes everywhere. This makes me think it should actually be a only client feature.

@bender@twtxt.net cos I live outside the United States and they don’t send to my country

Hey @eapl.me@eapl.me, your feed is broken. All U+2028 got transformed into newlines.

@bender@twtxt.net they revel in their blindness. Roll within their stink.

I’ve been thinking of a few improvements for the next generation of twtxt spec, let me know if these are useful or interesting :) https://text.eapl.mx/a-few-ideas-for-a-next-twtxt-version

I’ve been thinking of a few improvements for the next generation of twtxt spec, let me know if these are useful or interesting :) https://text.eapl.mx/a-few-ideas-for-a-next-twtxt-version

@wbknl@twtxt.net Welcome to the twtxt-iverse!

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Beautiful pictures, and beautiful HTML for a photo album!