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@prologic@twtxt.net that would work if it was using shamir’s secret sharing .. although i think its typically 3 of 5 so you get 3, one to the company, and one to the “third party”. so you can recover all you want.. but if the company or 3rd wants to they need one of your 3 to recover.

but still .. if they are providing them then whats the point of trusting they don’t have copies.

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@abucci@anthony.buc.ci buuuuut it show when winter!

In the time scale viewed from the planets perspective, the climate has changed many many times.. The issue is whether that change that will inevitability come is hospitable to us meat bags. Or if we are doomed to take part in the next mass extinction event.

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In-reply-to » an interesting observation in a post twitter reality is how services that are sprouting up to claim some of the refugees are setting themselves up as closed gardens. without the option to federate with other services. like spoutable, counter.social, post, clubhouse and such.

@prologic@twtxt.net closed as in you have to be an account on their service to interact with others. And can’t communicate cross service. Some require you to be logged in to view content. Others will pop up annoying overlays after scrolling some content to sign up for more.

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In-reply-to » (#oyi5iua) @darch I think having a way to layer on features so those who can support/desire them can. It would be best for the community to be able to layer on (or off) the features.

We could ask them? But on the counter would bukket or jan6 follow the pure twtxt feeds? Probably not either way… We could use content negotiation as well. text/plain for basic and text/yarn for enhanced.

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In-reply-to » (#oyi5iua) @darch I think having a way to layer on features so those who can support/desire them can. It would be best for the community to be able to layer on (or off) the features.

An option would be to have /twtxt.txt be the base functionality as bukket intended without subject tags, markdown, images and such truncated to 140 chars. a /yarn.txt that has all the extentions as we know and love. and maybe a /.well-known/webfinger + (TBD endpoint) that adds on the crypto enhancements that further extend things.

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@prologic@twtxt.net I get the worry of privacy. But I think there is some value in the data being collected. Do I think that Russ is up there scheming new ways to discover what packages you use in internal projects for targeting ads?? Probably not.

Go has always been driven by usage data. Look at modules. There was need for having repeatable builds so various package tool chains were made and evolved into what we have today. Generics took time and seeing pain points where they would provide value. They weren’t done just so it could be checked off on a box of features. Some languages seem to do that to the extreme.

Whenever changes are made to the language there are extensive searches across public modules for where the change might cause issues or could be improved with the change. The fs embed and strings.Cut come to mind.

I think its good that the language maintainers are using what metrics they have to guide where to focus time and energy. Some of the other languages could use it. So time and effort isn’t wasted in maintaining something that has little impact.

The economics of the “spying” are to improve the product and ecosystem. Is it “spying” when a municipality uses water usage metrics in neighborhoods to forecast need of new water projects? Or is it to discover your shower habits for nefarious reasons?

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@abucci@anthony.buc.ci So.. The issue is that its showing the password by default? Would making an alias to always include the -c help? We can probably engage Jason with a PR to enable a more hardened approach when desired. I’ve spoken to him before and is generally a pretty open to ideas.

I found this app that was created by the gopass author that does copy by default and has a tui or GUI mode https://github.com/cortex/ripasso

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I don’t use twtxt anymore, but I keep accidentally adding logs to it because the command I use to use !say is so similar to the shortcut I use to make !zet messages. So, some of my logs make no sense because they are out of context.

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@abucci@anthony.buc.ci ISO 27001 is basically the same. It means that there is management sign off for a process to improve security is in place. Not that the system is secure. And ITIL is that managment signs off that problems and incidents should have processes defined.

Though its a good mess of words you can throw around while saying “management supports this so X needs to get done”

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@prologic@twtxt.net I have updated to kinda follow this. It now redirects to other webfingers if the resource has a different hostname. I’m still not sure what I should put multiple services with the same domain name. Like if they were to have conflicting properties.

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In-reply-to » Trying to wrap my head around webfinger..

@prologic@twtxt.net Unfortunately the RFC’s are a bit light in this regard. While it makes mention of different kinds of accounts like mailto: or status services.. it never combines them. It does make mention of using redirects to forward a request to other webfingers to provide additional detail.

I am kinda partial to using salty:acct:me@sour.is, yarn:acct:xuu@txt.sour.is, mailto:me@sour.is that could redirect to a specific service. and a parent account acct:me@sour.is that would reference them in some way. either in properties or aliases.

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In-reply-to » Trying to wrap my head around webfinger..

@prologic@twtxt.net That was exactly my thought at first too. but what do we put as the rel for salty account? since it is decentralized we dont have a set URL for machines to key off. so for example take the standard response from okta:

# http GET https://example.okta.com/.well-known/webfinger  resource==acct:bob
{
    "links": [
        {
            "href": "https://example.okta.com/sso/idps/OKTA?login_hint=bob#",
            "properties": {
                "okta:idp:type": "OKTA"
            },
            "rel": "http://openid.net/specs/connect/1.0/issuer",
            "titles": {
                "und": "example"
            }
        }
    ],
    "subject": "acct:bob"
}

It gives one link that follows the OpenID login. So the details are specific to the subject acct:bob.

Mastodons response:

{
  "subject": "acct:xuu@chaos.social",
  "aliases": [
    "https://chaos.social/@xuu",
    "https://chaos.social/users/xuu"
  ],
  "links": [
    {
      "rel": "http://webfinger.net/rel/profile-page",
      "type": "text/html",
      "href": "https://chaos.social/@xuu"
    },
    {
      "rel": "self",
      "type": "application/activity+json",
      "href": "https://chaos.social/users/xuu"
    },
    {
      "rel": "http://ostatus.org/schema/1.0/subscribe"
    }
  ]
}

it supplies a profile page and a self which are both specific to that account.

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One of the frustrating parts of using twtxt for conversations is the URLs are, well… ugly. Anyone (like y’all yarn folks) looked at using webfinger for translating user@domain accounts to URLs?

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@prologic@twtxt.net see where its used maybe that can help.
https://github.com/sour-is/ev/blob/main/app/peerfinder/http.go#L153

This is an upsert. So I pass a streamID which is like a globally unique id for the object. And then see how the type of the parameter in the function is used to infer the generic type. In the function it will create a new *Info and populate it from the datastore to pass to the function. The func will do its modifications and if it returns a nil error it will commit the changes.

The PA type contract ensures that the type fulfills the Aggregate interface and is a pointer to type at compile time.

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In-reply-to » @prologic: Reduced refresh interval to 7200 seconds :-)

@prologic@twtxt.net I guess that refresh field could be easily replaced with Expires HTTP header (I realize that users on neocities.org cannot control this header, for example). And clients should also respect headers like Last-Modified/If-Modified-Since (304), you’re right about that. P.S. twtwt doens’t have a caching mechanism for now, but I plan to implement it in generic way using HTTP headers.

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In-reply-to » I decided to become popular in decentralized social networks. 1. Pixelfed: https://pixelfed.social/win0err — mostly landscape photography; 2. Mastodon: https://mastodon.online/@win0err — software engineering content

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org: Thank you, it’s really nice to hear that! Sometimes I think I’m a moss, because I really love northern nature :D Pixelfed is very slow indeed, and also buggy. @prologic@twtxt.net: I plan to add an RSS feed for the photography page instead of cross-posting to twtxt.txt. Maybe I should post updates of my website here? For example, I made a fancy New Year’s design of https://kolesnikov.se (which makes @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org’s eyes hurt, haha)

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In-reply-to » @prologic (re: Just discovered ...) On the one hand, twtxt has become more popular thanks to Yarn.social. On the other hand, subject and hashtag extensions took away the simplicity of the protocol. For example, it is impossible to understand which conversation (#base32hash) a tweet refers to or to reply to a tweet without going to a yarn.social pod. Compare with re: in this tweet which can be written without using any client at all

@prologic@twtxt.net: I understand the benefits of using hashes, it’s much easier to implement client applications (at the expense of ease of use without the proper client). I must say that I like the way the metadata extension is done. Simple and elegant! It’s hard to design simple things!

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@prologic@twtxt.net On the one hand, twtxt has become more popular thanks to Yarn.social. On the other hand, subject and hashtag extensions took away the simplicity of the protocol. For example, it is impossible to understand which conversation (#base32hash) a tweet refers to or to reply to a tweet without going to a yarn.social pod. Compare with re: in this tweet which can be written without using any client at all

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In-reply-to » I switched from twtxt client to twtwt (https://github.com/win0err/twtwt). It's a pre-alpha version now, but it works pretty well and so much faster than the official twtxt client by @buckket. Feel free to check it out :-)

@prologic@twtxt.net: Hmm, I just checked, it should work. Anyway, I will post updates about the project. First of all, I want to complete some features and create packages with pre-compiled binaries

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In-reply-to » (#pysczza) ahh this is useful https://go.dev/doc/modules/managing-dependencies. the go culture doesn't typically have large dependency graphs like Ruby or JS.

how install gomodot? also.. @prologic@twtxt.net your domain has some pretty strong SEO mojo searching for install "gomodot" puts you on the google first page.

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In-reply-to » (#pysczza) ahh this is useful https://go.dev/doc/modules/managing-dependencies. the go culture doesn't typically have large dependency graphs like Ruby or JS.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org im talking like some JS projects i have seen with 1-2G node_modules dirs. though yarn is quite vast in its modules because it does a LOOOOOOT of stuff in the background.

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@tkanos@twtxt.net user in question had posted information about someones employment in what appeared to be a threat to contact their boss. Maybe it was in jest.. but we felt it was a form of doxing that we do not wish to see within our community. Yarn.Social is first and foremost a town square of ideas and should be viewed as a safe place for all.

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@movq@www.uninformativ.de, well, yes, that has always been the case. Not just on jenny, but on Yarn. I can’t follow everything, and everyone. To see whether is a reply, a simple h on mutt shows the headers, and there you have it. That is not too convoluted, is it? I mean, if you really want to know–but why?–it is a simple key press. If I don’t see a context on something as obvious as the example you used, it is simply a reply to someone I don’t follow, and pretty much ignore. End of story. 😂

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