@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Ja und auch so: „Raus mit den Entwickler:innen! Das Marketing macht seine Software jetzt mit KI selber!!1!“ Kannste dir alles nich ausdenken. (Jaja, ist natürlich im Moment billiger. Aber diese Kurzsichtigkeit …)

@david@daiwei.me I seei tnow 👌

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Pff, wer will schon Ansätze von Qualität? GESCHWINDIGKEIT!!!

@prologic@twtxt.net @david@daiwei.me I agree about @xuu@txt.sour.is (still a few months left before hitting this timeout). :-D

But I don’t know the feeds anymore, because, well, I deleted them. :-D

@david@daiwei.me Yeah, it’s a bee keeper channel. Oh, with all the epoxy, this handle is really strong.

@lafe@tilde.club Try again, that’s only a quarter of the year! :-P

@thecanine@twtxt.net This is of course disgusting! I have first hand experience with my neighbors next door where I told them about one of their LG (older models) “spying” on what they were watching. I’ve of course since blocked that shit™ at the network level for them, But man, don’t ever buy LG. In fact don’t ever buy any of this “Smart” shit™. Period.

@bender@twtxt.net probably just too busy with real life and work to interact with us plebs 🤣

@david@daiwei.me Danke 🙏

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org which ones?

@david@daiwei.me Go ahead and grab something, mate!

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@david@daiwei.me Cool! 😎 Though I think this can be improved somewhat.

@david@daiwei.me Might not have tested that path very well. Can you make a note of this on Gitea?

@david@daiwei.me you’re not missing anything. It is only set on grant / connection time. If you disconnect and reconnect, it should become an option. I haven’t figured out how to refresh capabilities.

@david@daiwei.me You’re not missing anything. It is set on grant / connection time. So disconnecting and reconnecting will give you that option. I haven’t figured out a way to refresh backend capabilities like this.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Great, I had some cherries. :-)

@GabesArcade@gabesarcade.com You are most welcome! 🙏

@GabesArcade@gabesarcade.com twtd landed too 🥳 Hosted feeds (twtpub.com) and self-hosted twtd can publish # follow = now — the operator offers it with --allow-follows, then it’s the same toggle in Settings. Off by default at both ends 👌

@GabesArcade@gabesarcade.com Both 😅 Just shipped: Settings → Backup & restore. Export everything (or follows only) as a JSON file and import it back — or feed it any twtxt.txt and it’ll harvest the # follow = lines. There’s a copy-paste # follow = block in there too if you’d rather hand-edit 👌

@GabesArcade@gabesarcade.com So we going with an Import/Export feature? Or would you also like optionally to write # follow = into the feed too? 🤔 Can do either/or or both.

@david@daiwei.me This has now been fixed! 🎉

@GabesArcade@gabesarcade.com I think it would have to be specific to the App itself. So say you somehow didn’t save a recovery key or some shit™ You could still get back up and running with ease if you had exported a config? 🤔

Okay I’m fixing this in lextwt, yarnd and twtxt.app (takes a different path). Soon you’ll be able to write shit™ like (<this>) and it’ll get escaped and rendered correctly on the page. Basically you are really writing HTML here, but not intending to do so, Twtxt never supported HTML, and I don’t think it ever should. We extended the format to support basic Markdown, and I think that’s where it should end.

Probably time we wrote a Spec for this really.

@GabesArcade@gabesarcade.com Based on your description, I think it makes snse to have an Import/Export settings in the UI? RIght? 🤔

@david@daiwei.me Kk I’ll look into it 👌

@david@daiwei.me I mean we can probably do that I suppose. I’d make it an option in Settings though?

@david@daiwei.me I see it now. Is this also a problem in the app too? Or just yarnd or both?

@GabesArcade@gabesarcade.com Probably. How do you want this to work? An “Export” button to export all your settings in some form?

@david@daiwei.me Sorry, I’m not seeing what you’re saying? 🤔

@itsericwoodward@itsericwoodward.com lol! “Yeah, it was me. What you gonna do about it? Hm? Hm?” Cats. Typical arrogant cats. 😂

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Pretty good! Had an apple, too. 🤣

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Ha! 😂

@david@daiwei.me Oh yeah, a full belly stops everything. :-D

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Dang it! You gotta have a chance again after sunset. :-)

@prologic@twtxt.net Sounds cool, I gotta take a look at it when my brain has some free capacity. :-)

@movq@www.uninformativ.de A mate showed me a graph reaching 40°C… :-O It’s going to be hell on earth.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org I also got up at 5 (I always do 😅) and went on a quick stroll around 6:30, but boy, that was chilly. So I said to myself: Screw that, I’ll try again later.

And now we’re at 32 °C. 🤣

@movq@www.uninformativ.de It’s “shaping” up to where I think I want it to go 😅

@prologic@twtxt.net Yeah, sound impressive, I gotta try this. 👌

@david@daiwei.me Yes!

So, a hobby OS, just like Linux was for Linus?

Although this is really an exercise is self-hosting a lagnguage, then self-hosting the language to build a self-hosting OS. It’s all meta-circular.

@david@daiwei.me It’s somewhat expected to have a fair bit of Assembly (machine code) to get some of the bits you need going. But I think I can reduce this a bit. Let’s see…

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Type hints are just… so weird.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I see! :-D So, how was your banana then?

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Ruff, the formatter/linter, yeah.

Lol, never heard of that banana moment before, but it sounds very fitting. :-D

No wonder. I just made that up. 🤣

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I hear you! It’s so annoying. Ruff, the formatter?

Lol, never heard of that banana moment before, but it sounds very fitting. :-D

@movq@www.uninformativ.de That’s cool! :-)

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org

For the tags feed it would be cool to include the actual changelog entries

Did that now:

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@movq@www.uninformativ.de Oh dear, Thunderbird became such garbage.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de You know you could in theory use the Twtxt App and the Twtxt Feeds service as your “news reader” right? 😅

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Bingo!

Oh, yeah, newsboat is good. For this particular use case, I explicitly needed a graphical feed reader, though. 😅 I ended up using Thunderbird, which has its own interesting way of configuring/adding feeds:

https://movq.de/v/a3557e3dc9/vid-1784952576.mp4

Why are feeds categorized as “Mail”? What’s going on with that “Add” button on the left of the dialog? Why does the dialog indicate that there’s a folder called “list-files Recent Commits” which doesn’t really exist in the end? (Why does it take about 1-2 seconds to load 25 feed items?) And so on.

@GabesArcade@gabesarcade.com LOL 😂

@eldersnake@we.loveprivacy.club Login to https://feeds.twtxt.net/ with your Pod’s account. Re-create whatever you like. In the end I had to start over, there was too much mess. As you can no doubt imagine, the reason for revamping the feeds service was to thwart SPAM and Junk.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Since you ask, it must be only the one in the title bar, but not the one below. :-( Let me suggest Newsboat to you: https://newsboat.org/

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Not sure, I very rarely see people wearing cowboy hats. They’re a great protection against the sun in my opinion. Even as a child, I always loved their looks, but I only wear them in summer for that particular reason. Unfortunately, they’re too cumbersome to carry around not on your head. And they don’t combine with bicycle helmets or head rests.

About one and a half decades ago, I made two hats myself. Sadly, they both turned out to be failures.

Haha, now that you mention the aliens, I cannot unsee them anymore. :-D

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Hats are back, aren’t they? Lots of people wearing hats these days, like, the big ones. 🤔

06.jpg looks like it’s from another planet. 😅

@david@daiwei.me You better stick to your doctor’s prescription of mowing three times a week.

@david@daiwei.me Thank you! They were so busy, my camera got dizzy:

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@prologic@twtxt.net Seems to work? 🧐

Dang it, @david@daiwei.me, you blew my cover!

I was raised without a TV, so I don’t miss it one bit. My parents just didn’t by a new one after their super old black and white device died. Looking after a baby was maybe spare time activity enough for them. :-P

When there was some super cool program I wanted to watch, like a James Bond movie, I visited my grandma. Sure, it sometimes was a pity that I could not join yesterday’s TV series discussions with my classmates, but oh well. I survived that. Building stuff with Lego or playing outside was all I really wanted.

Apart from a few really good programs, there’s sooooo much trash, non-stop ads and the like. Even as a kid, I was very disgusted by all that. But I have to admit that visting somebody with a TV and watching a good show was usually a highlight. These days, I can easily waste all my time and more on YouTube. :-/

@movq@www.uninformativ.de @klaxzy@klaxzy.net Same situation here.

Data protection, @dce@hashnix.club! :-D

This revealed another bug in my client that I still need to fix at some point. Inserting an empty set of messages failed with an SQL logic error. Whoops. I didn’t think about that corner case.

@klaxzy@klaxzy.net Hey, sounds exactly like the company I work(ed) for.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Oh I agree. Long-term the whole thing is completely “fucked”. But it says more about “Cloud” and “X as a Service” than about “AI” itself. It’s a bit like all these fucking entertainment subscription services you need to entertain one’s self. How many subscriptions does one need to Hulu, Netflix, Disney+, Stan, etc, etc.

@prologic@twtxt.net Our company is paying a shitload of money for all these (different) AI tools … I’m probably not allowed to tell you the exact number, but it is a lot. The only other way would be to lay off employees, so we can pay even more for AI. (Needless to say, that would be the worst possible move.)

For a private person, $20 a month is also pretty expensive, isn’t it? And then assume that you maybe need more than one AI tool. You’re quickly up to $50 a month or much more. This isn’t something that I, as a private person, will ever be willing to spend for this kind of stuff.

“AI” is just expensive as fuck. On every level. They will have to (ab)use every possible way to squeeze more money out of it, and that includes ads and what not.

@GabesArcade@gabesarcade.com this sort of tells me two things 1) that enterprises aren’t really engaging with OpenAI and establishing lucrative enough contractual agreements and 2) users aren’t willing to pay for ChatGPT or if they are aren’t willing to pay much more than $20 a month

@dce@hashnix.club Was it ever really empty on the Codeberg side in the Git repo? 🤔

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com Perfect! :-D

@movq@www.uninformativ.de it’s a shame we have to ruin such great technology that only depends a lot of this with crappy bullshit nonsense like advertising we’ve been into responses 🤦‍♂️

@prologic@twtxt.net This was to be expected and I’m glad that it’s finally happening. I seriously hope that AI/LLM output gets swamped with advertisements or unwanted code, so people see what they have gotten themselves into, especially the “vibe coders”.

@david@daiwei.me You might have ended up loading the page in an unfortunate moment while I was reworking it. 😅 The CHANGES file is there, in the browser:

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@aelaraji@aelaraji.com Perfect! 👌

@prologic@twtxt.net Sorry I haven’t seen your question before! and to answer your question, no, it wasn’t hard at all. it’s a simple go build …etc. as instructed + scp twtd to remote + made a systemd service for it to (re)start automatically under a dedicated twtd user for lols. + poked at the Caddyfile to reverse-proxy a couple of paths and called it a day.

Too much info?

@david@daiwei.me @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org How about Augmented Ignorance ? it packs a better punch, doesn’t it? 😅

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Yes good I think we are too! 👌

@david@daiwei.me Go down to “Releases”, there’s a link to the CHANGES: https://movq.de/git/jenny/CHANGES.html

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Yeah, the feed names are legacy and I didn’t want to set up redirect rules. (I can’t really tell if anybody actually uses them …)

Extracting the info from the CHANGES file would be nice. Maybe I’ll add that. :-)

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com @david@daiwei.me Hahaha, neither did I came across this before. :-D

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Similar to my Go IDE at work. GoLand hangs so often in this giant code base. :-D (But it could also be one or the other snake oil that’s forcefully installed and fucks with me every day.)

@david@daiwei.me Hahaha! The thing is, it doesn’t taste as good in summer as in winter for some unknown reason. Two or three decades ago I asked my grandma to bake some of her amazing gingerbread in summer. But she always refused, claiming that this only really works in winter. Of course, I didn’t believe that. Finally, after years of begging and pleading, she finally made a tray. And to my surprise, she was right. It wasn’t bad, no, no, not at all. It was really yummy. But the gingerbread in winter was just better. :-/

Maybe I should give it a shot myself. Perhaps she slightly changed the recipe on purpose. So that I will never break the tradition of seasonal food again. :-P It worked, at least I never asked her to bake gingerbread in summer again. :-D

Pretty cool, @thecanine@twtxt.net!

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Good question. Tarballs are probably not needed, but might be convenient for people who don’t want to or can use a version control system. Not sure if there are non-techies who use your software. Tarballs for branches are overkill, though, I agree.

Looking at this more closely: As for the feeds, how about filenames “tags.atom” and “commits.atom”? Unless, of course, they were already named like that before.

For the tags feed it would be cool to include the actual changelog entries to be more useful if somebody takes this approach to get notified of new versions. But that would mean you have to duplicate the changelog entry into the annotated tag. And then you can’t fix changelog typos in the feed anymore. Alternatively, the feed generation would need to extract the section from the the CHANGES file. That has the benefit of automatically providing changelogs for past versions in the feed.

@david@daiwei.me Is this better? 🤔 Pretty hard to keep this concise but also not miss anything. 🤔 https://movq.de/git/jenny/

@david@daiwei.me Oh, that is a good idea. This could be included here, yeah. 🤔

@prologic@twtxt.net Oh, yes, just for clarity: This wasn’t a “pro GitHub” argument. 😅 I won’t go back there (or to another “forge”).

I think we’re totally on the same page: Decentralized Git hosting is good, but we haven’t solved the “collaboration” part yet. Or rather: We have to modernize it. The tools are already there, but (many) people don’t want to use them and think they’re clunky.

@david@daiwei.me Have you never seen or heard me say AI is basically Artificial Incompetence? 🤣

@GabesArcade@raw.githubusercontent.com those are getting harder and harder to come by these says. Everything is smart this, smart that and Artificial Ignorance powered now.

@david@daiwei.me It would appear so 👌

@thoshi@yarn.thoshis.net I wouldn’t bother if I were you 😅 They’re both fairly outdated protocols and very much an “silo” IMO. THey don’t make very good places to host your Twtxt feed either.

@thoshi@yarn.thoshis.net Welcome to the Yarn.social / Twtxt ecosystem 🙌

And @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org is right. Not being on Github is a good thing IMO. Even when I was there with all my many projects, I basically got the same amount of “attention” as I do now. The only real way to gain more “attention” is to artificially play the “game”. You know. The stupid “Stargazer” one, and whatever you can to get into the “Top 10 X” charts. – But ultimately that doesn’t buy you “quality” contributors or users or whatever. So it’s all pointless.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de So I see it slightly differently… Over the years I have recieved great contributions from the likes of yourself and @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org and the many forms of @bender@twtxt.net and his friends 😅 Hell even others along the way that have come and gone. Likewise I also think you have recieved many contributions to Jenny over the yeras in much the same way, perhaps not in patches, but user reports, feedback, etc.

So I think what I’m saying here is this… Ever since leaving Github (like you), I find that my desire to continue to build up the community we’ve built here and to contribute to grow and cultivate it is important to me. My desire to thwart and eliminate useless traffic like bots and ai even strongers.

I want to find a good balance.

@thecanine@twtxt.net Always love your work ! 👌

Deleted some old no longer used pixelart from my galley and added this as an alternative version, of the sprite one.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Sigh. :-(

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Oh, that’s actually quite a bit. I didn’t expect that. You definitely have useful things. :-)

Exactly, I now also send links to my fork. :-D

@dce@hashnix.club Yeah, but I haven’t looked into this specific issue. I am very much anti-AI, but this particular thing might be human error. I don’t know.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Oh, I’m sure they’ll keep hammering dead URLs for many years to come. These crawlers are 100% brain dead. And they don’t even need to be smarter, because they still grab valuable stuff left and right.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org

How many tickets and merge requests did you get before moving to your own server?

Hm, these were probably some of the more active projects:

• https://github.com/vain/lariza/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20state%3Aclosed
  
• https://github.com/vain/pdfPres/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20state%3Aclosed
  
• https://github.com/vain/xiate/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20state%3Aclosed
  

So it’s not a ton of stuff and there are many “issues” I opened myself, but it’s certainly more than these days.

Haven’t used git send-email even once. I definitely have to look into that soon. Wanted to do that for several years. I typically upload the patch to my server and send a link via IRC.

git send-email is good for sending patches to a mailing list (because then the individual patches can be discussed easily), but since those are dying out as well, it loses its appeal. If you want to send patches to a single person, just sending the link to your repo is far easier. 🤔

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Yeah, I’m interested in your future bot stats as well. I wouldn’t be surprised if they just keep hammering against all those now 404s. But I hope I’m wrong.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Finally, your software is just perfect and finished by now, no need to report non-existing bugs or send in code changes. :-) How many tickets and merge requests did you get before moving to your own server?

I have to admit that I use git format-patch so rarely, I always have to pull it up from my shell history. Haven’t used git send-email even once. I definitely have to look into that soon. Wanted to do that for several years. I typically upload the patch to my server and send a link via IRC.

Maybe I was just very unlucky, but my experience is that you can perfectly ignore people and their work who only do it for the “fame”. It’s almost always been from inferior quality to say the least.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de If only somebody had warned us! Luckily, no TV in this household. :-)