@prologic@twtxt.net what a great world we live in! No wonder they marked this sector unoccupied.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de That’s how it’s supposed to be. :-)

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org “Advanced”, well, probably more “mature”. There aren’t a ton of crazy features and that icon thing is the largest code addition in the last 10 years. %)

Speaking of OS/2 … I just realized that Windows 3.x didn’t have icons, either. If I’m not mistaken, this only got added in Windows 95. In other words, OS/2 had this feature before Windows did, because at least OS/2 2.1 from 1993 had icons. Who would have thunk.

(Now I kind of want to know which system really introduced this feature.)

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Ah, okay! That’s why it’s in such an advanced state. :-)

Nice, I never came in contact with OS/2.

@xuu@txt.sour.is I see you’re already a big fan of that language!

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz dmenu is such a great tool. So simple, yet so versatile.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Oh, huh, maybe it was just my GNOME 2 themes back then that didn’t show the icon. 🤔

I like the looks of your window manager. That’s using Wayland, right?

Oh, no. It’s still X11. All my recent Wayland comments resulted from me trying to switch, but I think it’s still too early. Being unable to use QEMU (because it can’t capture the mouse pointer) is a pretty big blocker for me. This is completely broken, it just happens to be unnoticeable with modern guest OSes, so it’s probably not a priority for devs.

(Not to mention that I would have to fork and substantially extend dwl in order to “replicate” my X11 WM. And then, after having done that, I’d have to follow upstream Wayland development, for which I don’t have the resources. Things would need to slow down before I can do that.)

all that wasted space of the windows not making use of the full screen!!!1

Heh. I’ve been using tiling WMs for ~15 years now, so it’s actually kind of refreshing to see something different for a change. 😅

Probably close to the older Windowses.

That particular theme is a ripoff of OS/2 Warp 3: https://movq.de/v/6c2a948882/s.png 😅

We ran some similar brownish color scheme (don’t recall its name) on Win95 or Win98

Oh god. Yeah, I wasn’t a fan of those, either. 🥴

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org defn foo(_ x _): # Ignored arguments

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz I know, right!?

Obligatory meme: https://www.digitalprintcustom.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/Jesus-Fucking-Christ.jpg :-D

@movq@www.uninformativ.de According to this screenshot, KDE still shows good old application icons: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/KDE_Plasma_5.21_Breeze_Twilight_screenshot.png

And GNOME used to have them, too: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/Gnome-2-22_%284%29.png

I like the looks of your window manager. That’s using Wayland, right? The only thing on this screenshot to critique is all that wasted space of the windows not making use of the full screen!!!1 At least the file browser. 8-)

This drives me nuts when my workmates share their screens. I really don’t get it how people can work like that. You can’t even read the whole line in the IDE or log viewer with all the expanded side bars. And then there’s 200 pixels on the left and another 300 pixels on the right where the desktop wallpaper shows. Gnaa! There’s the other extreme end when somebody shares their ultra wide screen and I just have a “regularish” 16:10 monitor and don’t see shit, because it’s resized way too tiny to fit my width. Good times. :-D

Sorry for going off on a tangent here. :-) Back to your WM: It has the right mix of being subtle and still similar to motif. Probably close to the older Windowses. My memory doesn’t serve me well, but I think they actually got it fairly good in my opinion. Your purple active window title looks killer. It just fits so well. This brown one (https://www.uninformativ.de/blog/postings/2025-07-22/0/leafpads.png) gives me also classic vibes. Awww. We ran some similar brownish color scheme (don’t recall its name) on Win95 or Win98 for some time on the family computer. I remember other people visting us not liking these colors. :-D

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org True, at least old versions of KDE had icons:

https://movq.de/v/0e4af6fea1/s.png

GNOME, on the other hand, didn’t, at least to my old screenshots from 2007:

https://www.uninformativ.de/desktop/2007%2D05%2D25%2D%2Dgnome2%2Dlaptop.png

I switched to Linux in 2007 and no window manager I used since then had icons, apparently. Crazy. An icon-less existence for 18 years. (But yeah, everything is keyboard-driven here as well and there are no buttons here, either.)

Anyway, my draft is making progress:

https://movq.de/v/5b7767f245/s.png

I do like this look. 😊

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org JESUS fucking christ what kinda cursed shit is this

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org YOOOO THATS SO COOL THO

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Nice looking birds! :-)

Oh, interesting. Lessons learned: Never simply redefine things.

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Cool! I just got an idea for work tomorrow: Use dmenu to quickly start different SSH tunnels I routinely need.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Wow, up until now, it never occurred to me that dependencies can be optional. :-O I gotta put that on my research list.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I haven’t used KDE or GNOME for ages, but I’m sure KDE at least used to show application icons in the title bars. They proabably still do. But then, one could argue that KDE is mimicking Windows. I never thought like that, I always found KDE way superior, because I was able to configure it like a madman.

In i3, I don’t have any application icons. I remember missing them at the beginning. But I don’t even have the classical minimize, maximize and close buttons in the title bar either. Just the title. Being mostly keyboard driven and a tiling window manager, these buttons are not super useful, anyway.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de @kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz I’m just used to it because I deal with such things all the time. :-)

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz NVM i stole other peoples code to make a dictionary lookup script https://bytes.4-walls.net/kat/dotfiles/src/branch/main/config/.local/bin/dict

@movq@www.uninformativ.de wait this is SO fucking cursed help lmfao

@movq@www.uninformativ.de OH MY GOD YEAH and you know what kills me??? the fucking key value pairs in lists!!! who the fuck thought of this syntax?!?!

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org So it might just be what the youngsters call a “skill issue”? 😅

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org They are optional dependencies and listed as such:

$ pacman -Qi pinentry
Name            : pinentry
Version         : 1.3.1-5
Description     : Collection of simple PIN or passphrase entry dialogs which
                  utilize the Assuan protocol
Optional Deps   : gcr: GNOME backend [installed]
                  gtk3: GTK backend [installed]
                  qt5-x11extras: Qt5 backend [installed]
                  kwayland5: Qt5 backend
                  kguiaddons: Qt6 backend
                  kwindowsystem: Qt6 backend

And it’s probably a good thing that they’re optional. I wouldn’t want to have all that installed all the time.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Huuuhhh?! Did I get this correctly? There are programs installed that miss (some of) their dependencies?! What the heck! O_o

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Following all your Wayland endeavors, it doesn’t sound like a mature and usable thing to me yet.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I found it quite easy to mentally parse this structure.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org @kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz I spent so much time in the past figuring out if something is a dict or a list in YAML, for example.

What are the types in this example?

items:
- part_no:   A4786
  descrip:   Water Bucket (Filled)
  price:     1.47
  quantity:  4
- part_no:   E1628
  descrip:   High Heeled "Ruby" Slippers
  size:      8
  price:     133.7
  quantity:  1

items is a dict containing … a list of two other dicts? Right?

It is quite hard for me to grasp the structure of YAML docs. 😢

The big advantage of YAML (and JSON and TOML) is that it’s much easier to write code for those formats, than it is with XML. json.loads() and you’re done.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org YAYYYY <3

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org I might need that script as well. 🙈🙏

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org The cynic in me says: “It’s not bleeding edge, it’s from 2008!” That’s not fair, though, looks like the issue only arose in libinput in 2019. And maybe these weird mice are super rare. Dunno.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org The underlines are a bit much, yes. It appears to be related to my font (Helvetica) … Maybe they do some Unicode trickery these days, I don’t know. 🫤

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I fully agree with you on https://www.uninformativ.de/blog/postings/2025-07-22/0/POSTING-en.html!

Although, in the first screenshot, the window title background is much darker in the new version than the old one!1!1 :-P Kidding aside, the contrast in the old one is still better.

Also, note the missing underlines for the Alt hotkeys now. I just think that the underline in the old one is too thick.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de LOL! No, I mean Wayland.

Of course, @kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz! But I’ll first write some instructions (hopefully this week) and then let you know. :-) Should be much easier then.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org What’s bleeding edge? The mouse? Yeah, maybe. 😅 I didn’t buy that on purpose and didn’t even know hi-res mouse wheels were a thing …

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org got this script anywhere cuz i would be interested 👀👀👀

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org that’s so interesting omg!!! if true i wonder why it does that…. so weird!

@javivf@adn.org.es Perfect, it’s fixed! :-)

Hi @javivf@adn.org.es, your TLS certificate ia broken:

certificate is valid for cluster029.hosting.ovh.net, not adn.org.es

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Oh boy! Fingers crossed.

That’s what you get when playing with bleeding edges. :-D

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz I have absolutely no idea, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it uses the closest full image after your cut point and not the one before. Hence, the deltas between the two full images have nothing to really refer to. So, the video player just shows the first full image it finds and “freezes” the image until the video stream actually hits it.

Let me try to visualize it, | represent full images, . just subsequent deltas:

Original start of video
↓
|......|.....|........|......|..
   ↑                      ↑
   Cut point      Cut point

Resulting video:

   ....|.....|........|....
   ↑↑↑↑
   This is where it freezes         

Could be complete bullshit, though. Wouldn’t be the first time that I’m wrong. :-)

I’m just curious, what exact command line do you use to cut the video?

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz why does ffmpeg always freeze the video in the first five seconds after a cut lmfao

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz not k-pop but i will share one. look at my girl dambara ruru

Video

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org yeah same YAML over XML forever bc at least one is more readable lmfao!! doesn’t forgive YAML’s crimes though… cursed formats

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org yesss it’s not my idea but it’s sooo fun here ngl like i should use it more!!

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Yup, can’t complain! :-)

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Nice use of dmenu.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de @kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Any text format beats a binary configuration format. However, YAML and XML are both terrible choices in my opinion. I’d prefer YAML over XML if I had to.

@bender@twtxt.net I plan to trade it in within it’s warranty period 🤣 It has 7yr warrants on everything, I said to the dealer, I’ll see you in 5 🤣

@prologic@twtxt.net interesting, a Chinese pickup truck. Hmm, I would very interested to know your thoughts about it 2-3 years from now.

@bender@twtxt.net That was one of the inputs into my research 🧐 So that’s already factored in. We bought our new truck (2025 GWM Canon) recently to replace the ‘ol 2nd hand Nissan Navara we bought that just had too many things go wrong with it, and I don’t have time or energy to learn to be a diesel mechanic haha 🤣 – So yes, the SCT-16 has a Tare (unladen weight) of 2150Kg and a maximum legal (ATM) weight of 2,800Kg.

@prologic@twtxt.net that looks like a beautiful camper! What kind of truck do you have to pull it? That could be the next thing you might need to focus on. I mean, 2,800kg gross is not feather light!

@movq@www.uninformativ.de omg YAML is so demonic like it pretends to be readable and then THE SPACING. THE FUCKING SPACING

@movq@www.uninformativ.de LMAOOOO

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz I kind of like XML because it’s mostly well-defined and easy for humans to read (unlike YAML, which is a complete mess, imho) … and at the same time, it can get complicated really fast. 🫤 But at least it’s plain-text – that’s the important part in this case. 😅

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org SOOOOO PRETTY

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz likeeee how cute is this

Video

@movq@www.uninformativ.de XML is so terrifying but kinda underrated tbh

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz i wanna catch up on the twts!!!

@bender@twtxt.net Yes! You guys have this thing called a “5th wheeler” 🤣 We (Aussies) just don’t normally have big enough trucks to drag those “House on wheels” though 😅

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt Haha, nice! :-D I haven’t come across this one before.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org I know web server which reject request with Referrer header

@movq@www.uninformativ.de That’s an interesting idea. For privacy, I’d just omit the Referer altogether. But maybe this helps talking to misconfigured HTTP servers that reject requests without such a header. No clue.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Hm, I don’t think so, the requested page was a Linux-specific post. 🤔 I sometimes wonder if privacy-oriented browsers might do this on purpose, to create garbage data? 🤔 No idea.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org I honestly wish I could do more than just sit here and wait. It’s just a matter of time until they remove X.Org from the repos. 🫤 But I really can’t dedicate so much time to this …

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I only know three letters: S (…), O (—) and E (.). ;-)

@arne@uplegger.eu Das ist wie mit Kulis. Die verschwinden auch urplötzlich auf völlig unerklärliche Weise.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Yeah, you can’t rely on them. Anybody could just transmit whatever they wanted. Bots and spammers abuse them all the time. But maybe some older version of that page actually referenced your site. :-?

@movq@www.uninformativ.de X.org forever!

@bender@twtxt.net Even I don’t believe in that anymore. :‘(

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Don’t remind me about Morse. I really wanted to learn that and tried so for quite a while, but no success. 😢

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Ja, eine kleine Inventur vorab kann auch nicht schaden. Der Bestand an Erdankern, Heringen und Gaskartuschen ist durch mich die Tage schon wieder aufgestockt worden.
Wo das Gas bleibt weiß ich. Warum die Befestigungen immer weniger werden, obwohl wir durchzählen (!), ist mir unbekannt. Vielleicht sind wir im Zahlenraum von 1 bis 20 einfach nur noch sehr unsicher. 🤓

@bender@twtxt.net Finally! Let’s wait and see how it turns out. :-D

@arne@uplegger.eu Au, Zelturlaub klingt klasse! Bei mir ist es auch bald so weit, freu mich schon. Dank der Ausrüstungsüberprüfung im Materiallager haben wir demletzt festgestellt, dass gleich zwei Spinnen (so Metallketten, an denen die Jurtendächer hochgezogen werden) fehlen. Ein Probeaufbau – und sei es nur unter Laborbedingungen – lohnt sich in jedem Fall. Improvisieren zu können ist zwar von Vorteil, aber wenn es sich vermeiden lässt, fängt der Urlaub gleich ein wenig entspannter an. :-)

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Oh wait, I should post a picture of my old Walkman and a couple of cassette tapes to verify 😆

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Yeah, you gotta love when a “totally real decentralized protocol” does that. How are they doing this and still pretending to be one, is beyond me.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I also had to laugh when I saw that. :-)

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Don’t forget about Morse Key Monday and Teletypewriter Tuesday.

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com And I read the following funny response to that:

Bluesky: Users verify their age by adding a payment method or uploading a photo ID.

Mastodon: Users verify their age by posting pictures of the vintage computer equipment in their homes.

https://beige.party/@maxleibman/114848276288629121

😏

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Permaculture should do the trick 😉

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org 06.jpg is quite funny. Block the road for 30 minutes! %)

@movq@www.uninformativ.de @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org i like this emoji too (it’s rhombus with question on my side)

@bender@twtxt.net Hm, it is now. 🤔 I should have made a screenshot when I first saw it.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de it is.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de That’s really cool! I wanted to experiment with Landlock in tt as well. But other than just thinking about it, nothing really happened.

Depending on the available Landlock ABI version your kernel supports, you might even restrict connect(…) calls to ports 80, 443 and maybe whatever else has been configured in the subscription list.

@prologic@twtxt.net Yeah, it’s not a strong sandbox in jenny’s case, it could still read my SSH private key (in case of an exploit of some sort). But I still like it.

I think my main takeaway is this: Knowing that technologies like Landlock/pledge/unveil exist and knowing that they are very easy to use, will probably nudge me into writing software differently in the future.

jenny was never meant to be sandboxed, so it can’t make great use of it. Future software might be different.

(And this is finally a strong argument for static linking.)

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Nice! 👍

PSA: setpriv on Linux supports Landlock.

If this twt goes through, then restricting the filesystem so that jenny can only write to ~/Mail/twt, ~/www/twtxt.txt, ~/.jenny-cache, and /tmp works.

@iolfree@tilde.club Oh dear! All the best to this feller. I wouldn’t want to trade places with him.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Haha 🤣

@prologic@twtxt.net @bender@twtxt.net That’s what I thought as well, sounds way too expensive to me. But I have no idea what the prices are over here. Probably also astronomical. Campers sit around most of the time, one really would need to use them a lot to justify spending so much money on them.

But yeah, each to their own (expensive) hobbies. :-) I, for example, burn my money on tools that I don’t really™ need. :-P

@bender@twtxt.net An older Firefox on Debian.

@prologic@twtxt.net well, the ones down there (on your list) are pretty minimal, basic even. Yet, their pricing is super high (number wise, haven’t checked the equivalent from AUD to USD).

@bender@twtxt.net are they really though when you factor in the weaker AUD? 🧐

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org which browser do you use? Chrome, Edge, and Firefox, under Ubuntu, all show it fine.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de This one is too bleeding edge for me, not even my browser can render it.

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz I dislike him big time. It was a sad day when Tumblr felt on his hands.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Yeah, if there’s no stable API, then it’s not a lot of fun … Bah. :|

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Ok 👌

@prologic@twtxt.net i’ll email you!