@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org is it a 360 degree video online, or a local one?

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com 👋

@alexonit@twtxt.alessandrocutolo.it Yhays kind of love you!! Stance and position on this. If we are going to make chicken changes in the threading model, let’s keep content based addressing, but also improve the use of experience. So in fact, in order to answer your question, I think yes, we can do some kind of combination of both.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org I don’t think there’s any point in continuing the discussion of Location vs. Content based addressing.

I want us to preserve Content based addressing.

Let’s improve the user experience and fix the hash commission problems.

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com welcome back dude! Long time no see!

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Yeah, it took quite some time to load. But then it was briefly back. Now it’s 503ing immediately all the time.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org https://www.celestrak.com (where the TLE files are downloaded from) seems to be down. :/

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org 🍿🍿🍿😅

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Woah, cool!

(WTF, asciiworld-sat-track somehow broke, but I have not changed any of the scripts at all. O_o It doesn’t find the asciiworld-sat-calc anymore. How in the world!? When I use an absolute path, the .tle is empty and I get a parsing error. Gotta debug this.)

@prologic@twtxt.net I know we won’t ever convince each other of the other’s favorite addressing scheme. :-D But I wanna address (haha) your concerns:

1. I don’t see any difference between the two schemes regarding link rot and migration. If the URL changes, both approaches are equally terrible as the feed URL is part of the hashed value and reference of some sort in the location-based scheme. It doesn’t matter.

2. The same is true for duplication and forks. Even today, the “cannonical URL” has to be chosen to build the hash. That’s exactly the same with location-based addressing. Why would a mirror only duplicate stuff with location- but not content-based addressing? I really fail to see that. Also, who is using mirrors or relays anyway? I don’t know of any such software to be honest.

3. If there is a spam feed, I just unfollow it. Done. Not a concern for me at all. Not the slightest bit. And the byte verification is THE source of all broken threads when the conversation start is edited. Yes, this can be viewed as a feature, but how many times was it actually a feature and not more behaving as an anti-feature in terms of user experience?

4. I don’t get your argument. If the feed in question is offline, one can simply look in local caches and see if there is a message at that particular time, just like looking up a hash. Where’s the difference? Except that the lookup key is longer or compound or whatever depending on the cache format.

5. Even a new hashing algorithm requires work on clients etc. It’s not that you get some backwards-compatibility for free. It just cannot be backwards-compatible in my opinion, no matter which approach we take. That’s why I believe some magic time for the switch causes the least amount of trouble. You leave the old world untouched and working.

If these are general concerns, I’m completely with you. But I don’t think that they only apply to location-based addressing. That’s how I interpreted your message. I could be wrong. Happy to read your explanations. :-)

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Mine shows 1/1 of 14 Twts 😆 I think this is a bug 🤯

@itsericwoodward@itsericwoodward.com any news about this? I am, at the very least, curious!

@alexonit@twtxt.alessandrocutolo.it I took it down mostly because of continued abuse and spam:l. I intend to fix I and improve the drive and its sister at Summer point 🤞

@alexonit@twtxt.alessandrocutolo.it thank you and welcome back to Yarn! The somewhat plushie-like look is intentional, so I’m glad it was noticed.

Only have 2 sizes of him in this pose, as well as most other sitting poses, but if there’s ever a sitting pose, shared by more than 2 of them, I’ll be sure to make a matrioska edit.

@prologic@twtxt.net thanks, I already follow @important_dev_news@n8n.andros.dev too.

BTW, the feed on https://feeds.twtxt.net/ seem down? It says it’s in maintenance.

@alexonit@twtxt.alessandrocutolo.it Love this 😍

@alexonit@twtxt.alessandrocutolo.it Yeah same 🤣 There’s also this @news-minimalist@feeds.twtxt.net feed that shows up the most important shit™ anyway (when/if that happens).

@alexonit@twtxt.alessandrocutolo.it Personally, I find the reversed order of URL first and then timestamp more natural to reference something. Granted, URL last would be kinda consistent with the mention format. However, the timestamp doesn’t act as a link text or display text like in a mention, so, it’s some different in my opinion. But yeah.

@bender@twtxt.net Seriously I have zero clue 🤣 I don’t read or watch any news so I have no idea 🤦‍♂️

The big QR code canine, has been one of my favourites - because even after a few months, I still find the pose really cute. Always thought a chibi version is a necessary addition and now I finally drew it.

@prologic@twtxt.net I know you were away, but were you under a rock?! 😅

@prologic@twtxt.net Yes, no doubt. There’s always something somewhere.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Some stuff is actually more reliable, that’s true. It’s also waaaaaaaaaaay more expensive, though … :-)

I called it a day, yes. \o/

@movq@www.uninformativ.de But it’s so reliable and they have all the experts, they know what they’re doing! And don’t forget, it’s way cheaper! Just think of the 34 cents saved every year on paper, the business dude calculated!

Enjoy your weekend! (I hope, you just called it a day and don’t have to drive to the office or silly shenanigans like that.)

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Yep! Super fast and efficient! 😃

@kiwu@twtxt.net awwww! 😢

long month

@prologic@twtxt.net welcome back! 🥳🥳🥳

@movq@www.uninformativ.de That’s transparency hardware support!

@zvava@twtxt.net In tt, I recognize umlauts in nicks, but they cannot include whitespace, @, !, #, (, ), [, ], <, >, " (but ' is okay). Whitespace also acts as a separator between nick and URL. @<Hello World http://example.com> ends up exactly like that and is not a mention.

@zvava@twtxt.net @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org I also think a location based reference might be better.

A thread is a single post of a single feed as a root, but the hash has the drawback of not referencing the source, in a distributed network like twtxt it might leave some people out of the whole conversation.

I suggest a simpler format, something like: (#<TIMESTAMP URL>)

This solves three issues:

• Easier referencing: no need to generate a hash, just copy the timestamp and url, it’s also simpler to implement in a client without the rish of collisions when putting things together
  
• Fetchable source: you can find the source within the reference and construct the thread from there
  
• Allow editing: If a post is modified the hash becomes invalid since it depends on [ timestamp, url, content ]

Hello everyone! 👋

After a long while away, I’m back on twtxt with this new feed.

Some of you might remember me as justamoment@twtxt.net, that was a test account I made for trying things out, but I ended up keeping it more than planned.

I also tried other social platforms in search of a place that felt right for me.

In the end twtxt was the one that ticked all of my boxes:

• Slow social: it act more like a feed reader and I really appreciate that there’s no flood of content that I can’t keep up with.
  
• No server needed: I absolutely love to have total control over my content, I tend to avoid having moving parts that might break, plus you can put your feed under version control and it’s all backed up.
  
• Ownership: I can put my feed anywhere I want and nobody can decide if I can access it or not.
  
• For hackers: a single .txt file allows me to join a community, how cool is that!
  

This is why I decided to build my own twtxt client, one that allows you to decide how the feed is presented on your “instance”.

It’s still in the making but I’ll try to share a bit of it once I defined how things should work.

Coincidentally, I discovered that @itsericwoodward@itsericwoodward.com and @zvava@twtxt.net were also building a twtxt client, seems like twtxt is set to grow!

@bender@twtxt.net Soon soon🤣

@prologic@twtxt.net ah! Well, keeping fingers crossed for you and family on that RV, for sure! 🤞🏻

@bender@twtxt.net I wish 🤣 Nah work on-site thingy😆

@prologic@twtxt.net ah, I was wondering! Hoping you are having a good time, mate! Christening the new RV? :-)

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Mit Code. Aber ich habe da echt so einen knoten im Kopf. Die Beispiele in meiner Filterblase helfen mir auch nicht.
Dann kommt das eben in die Kiste mit den unfertigen Dingen.

I know it doesn’t need to be said, but “Texudus” is not twtxt. It is an attempt to create a, arguably, “better way™️”. 🤭

@zvava@twtxt.net ah, yes, that’s the only Texudus feed. It also seems it is a one way only feed.

@bender@twtxt.net https://andros.dev/texudus.txt, its url doesn’t correspond to the feed either

@zvava@twtxt.net which Texodus feed? That I know of, there is only one, or am I wrong?

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org @movq@www.uninformativ.de bbycll’s nickname regex is /^([-_\p{N}\p{L}])+$/iu because i don’t like how english-centric only allowing ascii letters/numbers is though this only applies to local users as of now, currently all nicknames are tolerated when parsing remote feeds and i just do mentions how yarn does (just the feed url)

in the wild, i’ve noticed a texedus feed with spaces in the nick (where its spec explicitly disallows whitespace in the nick) and feeds with other symbols in the nick too. honestly, i think we should just tolerate arbitrary nicknames for sake of user expression (while stripping or converting unreasonable characters) and just leave them out of mentions

@zvava@twtxt.net @movq@www.uninformativ.de I’m not entirely sure about the spaces, but maybe they were omitted to simplify parsing of mentions in the form of @<nick url>. If the next token after the @<nick does not look like a URL, it’s not a mention but regular text. This is just wild guessing, though.

Looking at the regex and tests in the original twtxt reference implementation seems to confirm that theory in the sense as it relies on whitespace as the delimiter:

https://lyse.isobeef.org/tmp/screenshot-2025-09-17-21-30-25.png

Another thing about nicks is that the original twtxt reference implementation converts nicks to all lowercase:

https://lyse.isobeef.org/tmp/screenshot-2025-09-17-21-20-39.png

You probably know this already, the original twtxt file format specification can be found here: https://twtxt.readthedocs.io/en/latest/user/twtxtfile.html

As for extensions, I don’t know of anything outside of twtxt.dev that has actually been (partially) implemented. However, there is also the issue tracker of the official reference implementation. You might wanna dig through that. For example, there is an alternative suggestions of multiline messages: https://github.com/buckket/twtxt/issues/157

@arne@uplegger.eu Hm, noch nie gemacht. 🤔 Machst du das von Hand oder mit Code?

@zvava@twtxt.net Good question. This is the spec, I think:

https://twtxt.dev/exts/metadata.html#nick

It doesn’t say much. 🤔

In the wild, I’ve only seen “traditional” nick names, i.e. ASCII 0x21 thru 0x7E.

My client removes anything but r'[a-zA-Z0-9]' from nick names.

is there consensus on what characters should(n’t) be allowed in nicks? i remember reading somewhere whitespace should not be allowed, but i don’t see it in the spec on twtxt.dev — in fact, are there any other resources on twtxt extensions outside of twtxt.dev?

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz, this one, regarding “Anubis” (which I believe you use, right?): https://github.com/eternal-flame-AD/pow-buster

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz, see this one, regarding “Anubis” (which I believe you use, right?): https://github.com/eternal-flame-AD/pow-buster

@rrraksamam@twtxt.net someone has a huge crush on Emily Blunt, eh? 🤭

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Omg, that is great. 😃

@zvava@twtxt.net There would be only one hash for a message. Some to be defined magic date selects which hash to use. If the message creation timestamp is before this epoch, hash it with v1, otherwise hammer it through v2. Eventually, support for v1 could be dropped as nobody interacts with the old stuff anymore. But I’d keep it around in my client, because why not.

If users choose a client which supports the extensions, they don’t have to mess around with v1 and v2 hashing, just like today.

As for the school of thought, personally, I’d prefer something else, too. I’m in camp location-based addressing, or whatever it is called. There more I think about it, a complete redesign of twtxt and its extensions would be necessary in my opinion. Retrofitting has its limits. Of course, this is much more work, though.

@thecanine@twtxt.net Id like that too, it just can’t come from me, because native mobile dev just isn’t my thing 😢

@zvava@twtxt.net And yes yarnd does have a well documented API and two clients (CLI and unmaintained Flutter App)

@zvava@twtxt.net We can do that 👌

@zvava@twtxt.net Not much of a known fact these days, but thereused to be a Yarn phone app (https://git.mills.io/yarnsocial/app), last version released 5 or so years ago, but it still suggests, it has to be somewhat feasable, to make another one. I don’t think anyone tried since, because the web version works well on phones, but I’m still hoping, we get a more native phone experience, one day.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org i dont mind if the hash is not backward compatible but im not sure if this is the right way to proceed because the added complexity dealing with two hash versions isnt justified

regular end users wont care to understand how twt hashes are formed, they just want to use twtxt! so i guess i could work in protecting users from themselves by disallowing post edits on old posts or posts with replies, but i’m not fond of this either really. if they want to break a thread, they can just delete the post (though i’ve noticed yarn handling post deletes dubiously…)

on activitypub i do genuinely find myself looking through several month or even year old posts sometimes and deciding to edit/reword them a little to be slightly less confusing, this should be trivial to handle on twtxt which is an infinitely simpler specification

@bender@twtxt.net @thecanine@twtxt.net well now this has me thinking abt the feasibility of making an android twtxt app for pods, the actual apis of pods would have to be standardized (or the fucked up way that activitypub does it, where the “mastodon api” is the defacto client api (does yarn even have an api reference?)) or the client is just simply..a client..but editing feeds via PUT, PATCH, DELETE etc. is standardized!…? (not to mention i dont even know where to begin making an android app lmao)

Wanting to add, this isn’t a twtxt client. It is Yarnd on steroids! 😂

@thecanine@twtxt.net it should work everywhere. It is a web application.

@zvava@twtxt.net love the direction this is heading, hope this soon evolves into a basic Android app, usable with any instance.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org I didn’t know they had a name, to be honest. When I/we last had a dot matrix printer, I just sat alone in the basement and made these. 😂

@bender@twtxt.net Sigh. So it’s just me. Again. 😂

Adding too this. The configuration example at the repository reads:

{
	"nick": "Example",
	"description": "alice's twtxt instance!",
	"host": "twtxt.example.com",
	"admin": "alice"
}

Would it make more sense changing nick to instance_name or similar? Usually nick is reserved for users, like here, quark. Right? Also, is host the same FQDN to be used while proxying traffic to the application? That is, using the above configuration, it’s Caddy configuration would be:

twtxt.example.com {
	encode
	reverse_proxy :31212
}

Is that correct?

Hmm, twtxt Yarn is misbehaving. Can’t even edit, nor delete. Oh well.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Luckily, I had a grep -v git at the end, so my repo is still in working order. Phew. I wish find had grep-like --exclude-dir and --exclude options (or the include variants) instead of its own weird options that I never can remember and combine properly.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Nice Jacob’s ladder. ;-) I had to look up this term, I also found Zig Zag. What do you folks call this in your languages? In German, it’s Hexentreppe (lit. Witch’s Staircase).

@zvava@twtxt.net It is just completely impossible to make v2 backwards-compatible with v1.

Well, breaking threads on edits is considered a feature by some people. I reckon the only approach to reasonably deal with that property is to carefully review messages before publishing them, thus delaying feed updates. Any typos etc., that have been discovered afterwards, are just left alone. That’s what I and some others do. I only risk editing if the feed has been published very few seconds earlier. More than 20 seconds and I just ignore it. Works alright for the most part.

mobile navigation bar :3

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Yeah, I’ve corrupted a Git repo or two doing that … 🥴

@zvava@twtxt.net I was about to suggest that you post some examples. By now, we’re pretty good at debugging hashing issues, because that happens so often. 😂 But it looks like you figured it out on your own. ✌️

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org 🙈😂

@prologic@twtxt.net im unsure how i feel about the hash v2 proposal, given it is completely backward incompatible with hash v1 it doesn’t really solve any of the problems with it. it only delays collisions, and still fragments threads on post edits

i skimmed through discussions under other the proposals — i agree humans are very bad at keeping the integrity of the web in tact, but hashes in done in this way make it impossible even for systems to rebuild threads if any post edits have occurred prior to their deployment

@zvava@twtxt.net that makes it even more so exciting! 😂

@prologic@twtxt.net I completely forgot about that topic … 😂🥴

@zvava@twtxt.net oh?! I shall play more “seriously” with it soon then. Yay!

@zvava@twtxt.net The first version of what is now yarnd was built over a weekend 😀

@zvava@twtxt.net Herw you go: https://git.mills.io/yarnsocial/twtxt.dev/pulls/28

@zvava@twtxt.net For the time being, just show both.

@zvava@twtxt.net we have to amend the spec and increase the hash length. We just haven’t done so yet 😆

ok so i have found a genuine twt hash collision. what do i do.

internally, bbycll relies on a post lookup table with post hashes as keys, this is really fast but i knew i’d inevitably run into this issue (just not so soon) so now i have to either:
  1) pick the newer post over the other
  2) break from specification and not lowercase hashes
  3) secretly associate canonical urls or additional entropy with post hashes in the backend without a sizeable performance impact somehow

@prologic@twtxt.net excellent, mate, that’s what we like to read! Enjoy the weekend!

Thanks, @thecanine@twtxt.net. It’s completely horizontal, I don’t see any diagonals. Anyway, it’s great art, happy drawing!

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz @kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Pretty sure I have many more mentions in the database than the one and only one I see hmmm 🤔 – I’ll have a look at the code when I can and the SQL query it’s using

@bender@twtxt.net interesting 🤔🤔

@bender@twtxt.net yayyyy!!!

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org no, as mentioned this “diagonal arrow” eye shape, is usually used for a smug expression. The optional white part, is in this case, where the dogs sclera would be visible, while they have their eyes, like this.
Here is a comparison between a real dog, making the face it is based on, and the exaggerated drawn version.

Hahaha, @bender@twtxt.net, you’re just the best with the words! :-D I love it.

@thecanine@twtxt.net Yeah, what @bender@twtxt.net said. That tail is sick. Is this dog crying, though? The vertically elongated eye looks a bit like a tear running down.

@thecanine@twtxt.net super well done! I especially love that tail. I can almost see it moving!

Drawn based on a quick doodle, the canine returns victorious, from the battle of Hot Topic bargain bin, as smug as can be.
Whoever will be the first to inform him, the spikes aren’t real gold and it’s most likely not even leather, meaning it’s not what he’s really been searching the universe for, better prepare themselves, to be jumped on, bitten and shredded by claws.

@bender@twtxt.net Absolutely. My computer science teacher was really great and in a lot of aspects very similar. Especially combining the theoretical and practical parts. He’s also the main reason I ended up where I am today. I’m very grateful to him. Mr. Burger, however, takes this on a whole new level.

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz hey, hey, good afternoon, happy Friday! Fandom site tag pages count. Word!

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz nope, not normal. Something birdy (because why to use fishy all the time?!) is going on.

@zvava@twtxt.net this is so cool…

@zvava@twtxt.net please be sure to get enough rest!!! you’ll be able to make something even better if you’re well rested :)

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org that’s an amazing way to teach, and one many old school (I remember my father telling me “schools need to teach both theoretical and practical skills!”) people will agree with. The fact that graduates need to learn on the job after they graduate exemplifies the importance of hands on.

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz The duck was in a darker spot, so my camera wasn’t all that happy with the lighting. Upon further inspection, you’re right, now that you pointed it out, I can see it too! The feathers do look like an oil painting. ;-)

@bender@twtxt.net Sadly, it’s super relevant. It’s a really good sketch. I’m actually surprised you know this German series. :-)

@zvava@twtxt.net Yeah, mentions are a great way to discover other feeds.

Regarding the “look at this, but I don’t want to add anything at all”, this never happened to me. Apparently, it seems to be a thing for others.

@zvava@twtxt.net it is amazing how much you have accomplished in such a short time. Take time to sleep, though! :-)