@movq@www.uninformativ.de thanks for getting to the bottom of it. @prologic@twtxt.net is there a way to view yarnd’s copy of the raw twt? The edit didn’t result in a visible change; being able to see what yarnd originally downloaded would have helped me debug.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org 31°C here, feels like 33°C, with a lovely 75% of humidity. It has been raining, on and off (to make matter “better”) the whole day until now. No horses here, but if you go outside you will smell the same smell of farm animals (like goats, or pigs). That’s because two or three kilometres from here there are private farms, and when the wind blows in such way, well, we are reminded of their existence.

I haven’t left the house, so it feels well under air conditioning. In two more hours I will call it quits from the work day, and will have to dash to the grocery to get supplies for tonight’s meal (arroz con gandules). I will let you know how it truly feels out there then. :-D

For those swollen fingers, nothing better than a mildly cold shower! Oh, and paws off the keyboard! :-P

@abucci@anthony.buc.ci well, those are top ten “twtxtrs” (as in, how many twtxts they have produced). @prologic@twtxt.net sure is a conversational fellow. :-D

@movq@www.uninformativ.de ha! Here are my top 10:

24056 "prologic"
5103 "lyse"
3932 "movq"
1984 "abucci"
1876 "adi"
1633 "fastidious"
1551 "jlj"
1455 "mckinley"
1413 "offgridliving
1280 "eaplmx"

Some of those I no longer follow, or do not exist, but their wisdom remains. LOL.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de good idea, considering it might occasionally not work at all (because of edited twtxts).

@dbucklin@www.davebucklin.com very nice, thank you for sharing! I like that kind of retailers too, so those are on my list now. 🙂

@prologic@twtxt.net One of your twts begins with (#st3wsda): https://twtxt.net/twt/bot5z4q

Based on the twtxt.net web UI, it seems to be in reply to a twt by @cuaxolotl@sunshinegardens.org which begins “I’ve been sketching out…”.

But jenny thinks the hash of that twt is 6mdqxrq. At least, there’s a very twt in their feed with that hash that has the same text as appears on yarn.social (except with ‘ instead of ’).

Based on this, it appears jenny and yarnd disagree about the hash of the twt, or perhaps the twt was edited (though I can’t see any difference, assuming ’ vs ’ is just a rendering choice).

@prologic@twtxt.net I believe you when you say registries as designed today do not crawl. But when I first read the spec, it conjured in my mind a search engine. Now I don’t know how things work out in practice, but just based on reading, I don’t see why it can’t be an API for a crawling search engine. (In fact I don’t see anything in the spec indicating registry servers shouldn’t crawl.)

(I also noticed that https://twtxt.readthedocs.io/en/latest/user/registry.html recommends “The registries should sync each others user list by using the users endpoint”. If I understood that right, registering with one should be enough to appear on others, even if they don’t crawl.)

Does yarnd provide an API for finding twts? Is it similar?

@prologic@twtxt.net I guess I thought they were search engines. Anyway, the registry API looks like a decent one for searching for tweets. Could/should yarn.social pods implement the same API?

I just manually followed the steps at https://dev.twtxt.net/doc/twthashextension.html and got 6mdqxrq. I wonder what happened. Did @cuaxolo@sunshinegardens.org edit the twt in some subtle way after twtxt.net downloaded it? I couldn’t spot a diff, other than ‘ appearing as ’ on yarn.social, which I assume is a transformation done by twtxt.net.

@prologic@twtxt.net What’s the difference between search.twtxt.net and the /api/plain/tweets endpoint of a registry? In my mind, a registry is a twtxt search engine. Or are registries not supposed to do their own crawling to discover new feeds?

@prologic@twtxt.net How does yarn.social’s API fix the problem of centralization? I still need to know whose API to use.

Say I see a twt beginning (#hash) and I want to look up the start of the thread. Is the idea that if that twt is hosted by a a yarn.social pod, it is likely to know the thread start, so I should query that particular pod for the hash? But what if no yarn.social pods are involved?

The community seems small enough that a registry server should be able to keep up, and I can have a couple of others as backups. Or I could crawl the list of feeds followed by whoever emitted the twt that prompted my query.

I have successfully used registry servers a little bit, e.g. to find a feed that mentioned a tag I was interested in. Was even thinking of making my own, if I get bored of my too many other projects :-)

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Thanks, it works!

But when I tried it out on a twt from @prologic@twtxt.net, I discovered jenny and yarn.social seem to disagree about the hash of this twt: https://twtxt.net/twt/st3wsda . jenny assigned it a hash of 6mdqxrq but the URL and prologic’s reply suggest yarn.social thinks the hash is st3wsda. (And as a result, jenny –fetch-context didn’t work on prologic’s twt.)

@abucci@anthony.buc.ci OMFG! Dear jebus, look at the size of that! :-/ It is just a matter of time until one of those randomly falls on any of us. Just incredible!

For following notifications I would say use webmetion refering to the the line in your twtxt.txt as per: https://darch.dk/mentions-twtxt
Or send them an email, so it would be an idea to add a # contact = mailto:me@domain.net to ones twtxt.txt

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Thanks! Looking forward to trying it out. Sorry for the silence; I have become unexpectedly busy so no time for twtxt these past few days.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de LOL, well, great things come out of that worry, I can tell that much. Keep being you! :-)

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I think you are worrying about a non-issue. I see nothing to do on your example twt, because there is no context. Furthermore, if I wanted to follow the feed, everything I need is already on that twt example. :-)

@mckinley@twtxt.net agevault uses age, allegedly very secure (aiming to replace pgp/gpg). Comparing it with gocryptfs, from the user perspective, agevault seems simpler, though CLI exclusive. As the repository states, “Like age, it features no config options, allowing for a straightforward secure flow”. It would also run in all major OS platforms out of the box.

But agevault is also very new. Though age has been around for a while now, I don’t see an “audited” link (neither on agevault, nor age).

@abucci@anthony.buc.ci their main question is worrisome:

“The main question is, does it disappear during this re-entry?” says Löhle. “Is everything evaporating, or are there pieces that eventually impact on the ground?”

He expects some parts, such as the satellite’s fuel tanks, to survive. “You could learn from the re-entry that if you build a fuel tank differently, it can break up,” he says.

Archived article at: https://archive.ph/WdUvx

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com so lovely, ain’t it? A simple keystroke, and your “mystery” is solved. :-)

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com hehehehe. Enjoy, but careful with sugary stuff! :-)

@prologic@twtxt.net what made you make such “financially sound” recommendation? Have you switched jobs, and are now a Financial Advisor? :-P

@movq@www.uninformativ.de wow! We are “lucky” today, only 27°C here, 87% humidity, overcast, and raining sporadically. Thanks to the rain our temperatures aren’t high, but muggy nevertheless. I am ready for our winter too, you know, that whole week. LOL.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de pretty cool! Switched, and pulled. Nice update on README!

@falsifian@www.falsifian.org have you tried jenny’s fetch-context branch? It works great!

@bender@twtxt.net yup, this works well. I needed those extra settings.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I think I have got it, but need to test upon receiving further posts. I added:

set uncollapse_new     = yes  # open threads when new mail
set uncollapse_jump    = yes  # jump to unread message when uncollapse
set collapse_unread    = no   # don't collapse threads with unread mails

Let’s see how it goes.

Maybe the @yarn_police@twtxt.net can take this case, and shed some light.

@bender@twtxt.net, cool, so I can join the threads, but your edit to the original will never show at my end. Will have @bender@twtxt.net show the screenshot.

@bender@twtxt.net, let’s break it!

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org in Australia, take everything you have learned, and do the opposite. After all, it is the land down under! :-D

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com didn’t know there was a place to fix them; in here we toss them. Wish it was cheap to ship stuff. I have a couple of decent monitors in the garage that will soon take a trip to the curve…

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org ugh, how come didn’t this occurred to me…! Oh well, I am good now, but noted. Thanks!

@prologic@twtxt.net salt’em to keep them viable longer. Salt’em! :-D

@yarn_police@twtxt.net yay! Law and order on the watch!

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Yeah, haven’t seeing the @yarn_police@twtxt.net for a while. I often wonder if we are, finally, crime free. :-D

@movq@www.uninformativ.de woot! Yes! Perfect now. Hitting reply opens it with insert, and prompt at the end of the first line. Just as I wanted it. Thank you much!

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org welcome! :-) I am doing my best to get more acquaintance with vi/vim. I think nano has spoiled me too much. LOL.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de hmm, I am already using au BufNewFile,BufRead jenny-posting.eml setl completefunc=jenny#CompleteMentions fo-=t wrap, from jenny. How would I go to incorporate that there?

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org “good, good, and fascinating indeed” – says Quark, all while eating an overflowing toast with butter, and blackberry jam. :-D

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com power outages happen here almost every single time strong storms pass by, I know the feeling mate. It truly sucks.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de hmm, I guess I could do that too. I have startinsert set on my .vimrc, so I will either have to take it out, or exit insert, $, then insert again. I think the way you do it would be the way to go.

I tried setting VISUAL to be something like vim -c 'star!', which does the same thing, but no dice. :-/

@movq@www.uninformativ.de, maybe you can help me with this. I want to place the vim cursor at the end of the first line on replies, and forks. I have tried adding to this to jenny’s configuration:

"editor": "vim \"+normal $\"",

But that doesn’t work. How would you go about it?

@prologic@twtxt.net sounds fair. Let’s see how it works for @abucci@anthony.buc.ci. Speedy fix, that’s awesome! :-)

@bender@twtxt.net and I saw some conspiracy theory that he knew he was going to be arrested. He was working with French intelligence on a plea deal to defect. And now Russia is freaking out that Ukraine allies can have war comms access.

Yikes! If only they had salty.im!

@movq@www.uninformativ.de is there a way to purge twtxts from a feed I no longer follow?

@movq@www.uninformativ.de, using the branch on topic right now, it works perfect. The only thing I found was that I had to quit neomutt, and re-open, to see the perfect thread. Other than that, I love it!

@bender@twtxt.net hmm, I wonder if these are simply twtxts auto created from an ActivityPub feed. Ah, crap, they are. LOL.

@prologic@twtxt.net Yes, fetching the twt by hash from some service could be a good alternative, in case the twt I have does not @-mention the source. (Besides yarnd, maybe this should be part of the registry API? I don’t see fetch-by-hash in the registry API docs.)

@movq@www.uninformativ.de confirming that the issue isn’t present when using alacrity. Wow.

@falsifian@www.falsifian.org the reason behind his sporadic disappearances is that he runs things from a Raspberry Pi, at home, I believe. That impacts reliability, I figure.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de my fault! Err, I meant to say, @bender@twtxt.net’s! LOL.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org ah, if only you were to finally clean up that code, and make that client widely available…! One can only dream, right? :-)

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org I mean, dinosaurs “evolved” by getting wiped, right? :-D

@movq@www.uninformativ.de you said you liked seeing the hash (which is a fair choice!). All I am asking is for a reconsideration as a user configurable feature. ;-) It looks redundant, in my opinion.

@bender@twtxt.net it sure breaks the index formatting.

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com, this one, @movq@www.uninformativ.de, is slightly breaking my neomutt index. Will post screenshot from @bender@twtxt.net’s account.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de, that would be a nice addition. :-) I would also love the ability to hide/not show the hash when reading twtxts (after all, that’s on the header on each “email”). Could that be added as a user configurable toggle?

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I don’t know if I’d want to discard the twts. I think what I’m looking for is a command “jenny -g https://host.org/twtxt.txt” to fetch just that one feed, even if it’s not in my follow list. I could wrap that in a shell script so that when I see a twt in reply to a feed I don’t follow, I can just tap a key and the feed will get added to my maildir. I guess the script would look for a mention at the start of a selected twt and call jenny -g on the feed.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Is there a good way to get jenny to do a one-off fetch of a feed, for when you want to fill in missing parts of a thread? I just added @slashdot@feeds.twtxt.net to my private follow file just because @prologic@twtxt.net keeps responding to the feed :-P and I want to know what he’s commenting on even though I don’t want to see every new slashdot twt.

@bender@twtxt.net Based on my experience so far, as a user, I would be upset if my client dropped someone from my follower list, i.e. stopped fetching their feed, without me asking for that to happen.

@bender@twtxt.net I’m not a yarnd user, but automatically unfollowing on 404 doesn’t seem right. Besides @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org’s example, I could imagine just accidentally renaming my own twtxt file, or forgetting to push it when I point my DNS to a new web server. I’d rather not lose all my yarnd followers in a situation like that (and hopefully they feel the same).

@prologic@twtxt.net @bender@twtxt.net Exponential backoff? Seems like the right thing to do when a server isn’t accepting your connections at all, and might also be a reasonable compromise if you consider 404 to be a temporary failure.

@prologic@twtxt.net I think it was some mix of phish and social engineering. She didn’t have the multifactor enabled. But i think she had clicked a message that had a fake login. She talked to someone on a phone and they made her do some things.

I never got the whole story of how it happened.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de pleas no.

My wifes mom nearly got her account fully taken over by some hacker. They were able to get control and change password but I was able to get it recovered before they could get the phone number reset. They sent messages to all her contacts to send cash.

@prologic@twtxt.net The headline is interesting and sent me down a rabbit hole understanding what the paper (https://aclanthology.org/2024.acl-long.279/) actually says.

The result is interesting, but the Neuroscience News headline greatly overstates it. If I’ve understood right, they are arguing (with strong evidence) that the simple technique of making neural nets bigger and bigger isn’t quite as magically effective as people say — if you use it on its own. In particular, they evaluate LLMs without two common enhancements, in-context learning and instruction tuning. Both of those involve using a small number of examples of the particular task to improve the model’s performance, and they turn them off because they are not part of what is called “emergence”: “an ability to solve a task which is absent in smaller models, but present in LLMs”.

They show that these restricted LLMs only outperform smaller models (i.e demonstrate emergence) on certain tasks, and then (end of Section 4.1) discuss the nature of those few tasks that showed emergence.

I’d love to hear more from someone more familiar with this stuff. (I’ve done research that touches on ML, but neural nets and especially LLMs aren’t my area at all.) In particular, how compelling is this finding that zero-shot learning (i.e. without in-context learning or instruction tuning) remains hard as model size grows.

@prologic@twtxt.net +1 for FrankenPHP. And built into caddy is also swell.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Variable names used with -eq in [[ ]] are automatically expanded even without $ as explained in the “ARITHMETIC EVALUATION” section of the bash man page. Interesting. Trying this on OpenBSD’s ksh, it seems “set -u” doesn’t affect that substitution.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de It’s hot here as well. Luckily should only last a couple of days. Bunkering down in our home and keeping all the doors and windows closed. No airco. Fans give some relieve.

@prologic@twtxt.net I don’t know what you mean when you call them stochastic parrots, or how you define understanding. It’s certainly true that current language models show an obvious lack of understanding in many situations, but I find the trend impressive. I would love to see someone achieve similar results with much less power or training data.

@prologic@twtxt.net I thought “stochastic parrot” meant a complete lack of understanding.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de The success of large neural nets. People love to criticize today’s LLMs and image models, but if you compare them to what we had before, the progress is astonishing.

@prologic@twtxt.net Thanks. It’s from a non-Euclidean geometry project: https://www.falsifian.org/blog/2022/01/17/s3d/

@prologic@twtxt.net Thanks for the invitation. What time of day?

@prologic@twtxt.net Fair enough! I just added some metadata.

Thanks @prologic@twtxt.net! I like the way Yarn.social is making all of twtxt stronger, not just Yarn.social pods.

Does anyone care about the 140-char limit recommended by the #twtxt spec? I have been trying to respect it but wonder if it’s wasted effort.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Thanks!

Hello twtxt! I’m James (or @falsifian@www.falsifian.org). I live in Toronto. Recent interests include space complexity, simple software, and science fiction.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de my bad man. I left off a return in the formatter func. I have a PR to fix waiting on @prologic@twtxt.net

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org wow on my browser it shows up as all stars! •••••••

@bender@twtxt.net haha funny! though i just realized my ISP is the only one with fiber pulled to the property so i would have to get a phone line from them some how. The other ISP in the area is basically a mobile hotspot.

Hey so.. i just got an email from my ISP saying they will terminate my service. Did i break something @abucci@anthony.buc.ci ?

@prologic@twtxt.net Yeah that is probably what was happening. I wish that go build could embed the values that go install does.

@prologic@twtxt.net hey testing a rebuild of yarnd

@prologic@twtxt.net Well ain’t that grand? I’ll get it updated.

@prologic@twtxt.net Well ain’t that grand? I’ll get it updated

@Prologic@twtxt.net No, haven’t had the need to. We’re sticking to trusted and true over latest and sleekest in this project. Perhaps next year.

@bender@twtxt.net https://x.com/mortenjust/status/1805190952358650251

@bender@twtxt.net He is running on the latest macbook pro with 128G memory. though the chrome app seems to be sitting at 125MB. i am a bit suspicious about that stat since we dont see all the worker threads and he is currently sitting on 40GB of non cache ram.

@prologic@twtxt.net on the the timeline with mentions filter I missing the latest mention that comes up in the mentions page.

Oh.. And you are mentioning my dev instance here 😄

@prologic@twtxt.net how do i enable htmx? i built latest main

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Product activation? Oh.. I never had to deal with that. I always had the CD-R XP Pro version with the enterprise key written in sharpie that my brother got somehow.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Just don’t install windows 11. I believe XP is peak Windows OS anyhow.

@prologic@twtxt.net The old options are still valid, so “Show latest post per feed” should just be added as a 3th.

I think it is a good addition. Similar to how the Fraidycat RSS reader works. Fraidyc.at also support twtxt, but have not seen any updates since 2021…

@prologic@twtxt.net @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org

@Prologic@twtxt.net can you pleas fix this line in your twtxt.txt:
# follow = dbucklin@www.davebucklin.com https://www.davebucklin.com/twtxt.txt?nick=dbucklin

It is cause this weird effect on my timeline, where you are now called dbucklin
http://darch.dk/timeline/?profile=https://twtxt.net/user/prologic/twtxt.txt

@mckinley@twtxt.net I have a custom .tmux.conf that makes it very easy to use the multiplexer, but I agree, Zellij seems pretty robust, and intuitive. I like it! Tried compiling it, as with everything Rust, it failed miserably. Good thing there is a binary release I could download to try!