@prologic@twtxt.net best of luck!!! discover view having no limit sounds scary oh god lol

@kate@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz I’ll cut a release soon™, but still a few more things to iron out 🤣 One of the new challenges is figuring out what to do with the “Discover” view now that is has an unconfined limit, on my pod (at least) it’s now basically just “noise” 🤦‍♂️

@prologic@twtxt.net alright! i can try that… whenever i am capable of upgrading and figure out how to lol

@prologic@twtxt.net :D

@kate@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Been missing your jovial posts too and your friends 🤣

@quark@ferengi.one No editing old Twts that are the root of a thread with replies in the ecosystem. Just results in a fork. Unless the client has an implementation that does not store Twts keyed by Hash.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Oh dear 😂

@kate@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz The re-fetch should work just fine 🤞

@david@collantes.us Thanks I’ll fix.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de wouldn’t editing your own twtxts cause the same issue Yarnd (or any other client) has, which is breaking any replies to it? Under which conditions would this work the best? When copying the twtxt.txt file asynchronously? In my case I copy the twtxt.txt file to its web root right away, but I figure I could not do that, which would give me a set period of time to edit without worries.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de json and database put together sounds terrifying. i must try jenny

@bender@twtxt.net very true in both regards!!! <333 happy to see you too, i missed your silly bender icon hahha. my times could be better but things will improve i am sure of it

@bender@twtxt.net awww thank you :‘))) you all are too nice!!! i really wanted to share how i did this because i think i’m the first person to publicly attempt a production instance of dreamwidth code in docker, so i’m glad i did a good job at documenting it!!!!!!!

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz woah! That’s something else, kat! Heck, I document pretty much everything (more at work than anywhere else), and I have got to tell you, you put my “documentation” to shame. LOL. Very well done!

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz hard times are best shared! Of course, I understand there are times they are best not shared. Either way, I wish the hard time you have been having fades away! And, of course, happy to “see” you! 🥰

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org It wasn’t our building, yeah, luckily. But I’m pretty scared it might happen some day. I think I’ll put more effort into preparing for that. But whatever I do, it would be horrific to lose all your stuff and the memories attached to it …

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz You’re welcome. 😅 (From a hiring perspective, it’s not even important if every detail/step is correct or not. We all make mistakes, all the time; we don’t/can’t know everything.)

@movq@www.uninformativ.de HELP THIS IS GENUINELY SO SWEET THANK YOU ;_; omg i felt so nervous posting this because i was like what if i get something wrong but then i did it anyway and i felt so free… like woah i did all of this

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz As someone who has a say in hiring decisions (every now and then – I’m not an executive nor an HR person 😆): This is gold. Writeups like these tell me/us so much about job applicants. It’s much more valuable than “a CV without gaps” or “know your algorithms” or whatever. Instead, it shows how you work and that you understand what you’re doing, and that’s the most important part. 🥇

@bender@twtxt.net NOOOO i self host an XMPP server and also revolt but as much as i love XMPP (gajim client reminds me of using skype as a kid highkey) i don’t use it much and revolt is a bitch to maintain. like i broke revolt file uploads and it stayed that way for months until literally last week lmao. i never bothered with matrix tbh maybe i should’ve but it seems not worth it

@prologic@twtxt.net hm would there be any loss with the re-fetch option? i wouldn’t mind either but i’d like to hold onto what i got if possible! but if it IS possible but also really annoying to do i’ll just do the re-fetch of feeds because i’m lazy af LMAO

@bender@twtxt.net been having a hard time! but i am trying to be more active <3

@movq@www.uninformativ.de that is a great quote god damn

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz i did this in september but it took me this long to do the write up part lmfao

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Hopefully at your neighbors and not your building. :-S Keep your pecker up!

I just heard the fire brigade respond here with their compressed air sirens, too.

If you let fire take effect properly, it helps to reduce density.

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev I give you not creating another file, but then I’d vote for commenting out DMs. See https://eapl.me/timeline/post/z5e2bna

It’s easier to find the DM in comments from your side, than asking all the client maintainers to add the regex =P
You can even use a Modified comment, such as
#! <DM content>
Or something like that

This approach is retro-compatible with current and older clients.

just a note that we are doing that on PHP: https://github.com/eapl-gemugami/twtxt-php/blob/master/docs/03-hash-extension.md#php-72

That PHP snippet could be merged into https://twtxt.dev/exts/twt-hash.html

@hacker-news@feeds.twtxt.net this is the 4th one in the row - I think. Loosing count of them.

@klaxzy@klaxzy.net Jellyfin FTW … I guess!

@david@collantes.us @andros@twtxt.andros.dev The correct hash would be si4er3q. See https://twtxt.dev/exts/twt-hash.html, a timezone offset of +00:00 or -00:00 must be replaced by Z.

(That said, there’s a bug in jenny as well. It only replaces +00:00, not -00:00. 🤡)

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Lol! Yeah, nobody wants to see you bring your coal-powered forklift into the gym. :-D

@david@collantes.us If I run

printf '%s\n%s\n%s' 'https://aelaraji.com/twtxt.txt' '2025-04-16T22:49:11+00:00' "Am I tripping or `rsync` is actually THIS effing faster than `scp`!!? 🫨" | b2sum -l 256 | awk '{ print $1 }' | xxd -r -p | base32 | tr -d '=' | tr 'A-Z' 'a-z' | tail -c 8

I have xqfsv6a. It is raw text

But… If I change de date to 2025-04-16T22:49:11Z I have si4er3q.

@prologic@twtxt.net @bender@twtxt.net

What is the hash of the last message from?: https://aelaraji.com/twtxt.txt

@bender@twtxt.net For example:

If you can see this twt in any feed…

xxxx-xx-xxTxx:xx:xxZ	!<bender https://twtxt.net/user/bender/twtxt.txt> U2FsdGVkX1+QmwBNmk9Yu9jvazVRFPS2TGJRGle/BDDzFult6zCtxNhJrV0g+sx0EIKbjL2a9QpCT5C0Z2qWvw==

It is for you. Any other possibility must be ignore (hidden in your timeline).

If your client doesn’t have the posibility to decrypt the twt, hide all direct message. It is all :)

I miss @kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz. Just sayin’.

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev define “compatible” 😅. On the “not addressed to me”, if I follow you, I will see your twtxts, whether they are addressed to me, or not.

@bender@twtxt.net Sure 👻👻👻

@prologic@twtxt.net please reply to this one. I want to make sure I am not seeing a ghost here. 😅

@bender@twtxt.net That’s what I’m trying to figure out 🤔

@prologic@twtxt.net what did you replied to? I am seeing disconnected twtxts, specifically from and/or replies to, Andros.

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev Curious where this root twt is?! 🤣 Apparently my pod doesn’t have it and I can’t find it anywhere. It’s suppose to be #l4doaxa

@bender@twtxt.net @aelaraji@aelaraji.com The client should ignore twts if it’s not compatible or not addressed to me. it’s a simple regex to add! It’s similar to Twt Hash Extension, should they be in another file? They are child messages, not flat twt. Not of course!

@prologic@twtxt.net @aelaraji@aelaraji.com It depends! If you are working with rsync and scp with the same protocol… I want to know! 😁

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev For what purpose? 🤔

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com What protocol do you use?

@xuu@txt.sour.is Yeah @-mentioning@twtxt.net someone you don’t have a local alias for is broken somehow :( I haven’t looked into it yet…

@xuu@txt.sour.is Seems to be fine here?

$ bat https://twtxt.net/twt/yfv5kfq | jq '.text'
"!<dm-echo https://dm-echo.andros.dev/twtxt.txt> U2FsdGVkX1+QmwBNmk9Yu9jvazVRFPS2TGJRGle/BDDzFult6zCtxNhJrV0g+sx0EIKbjL2a9QpCT5C0Z2qWvw=="

@fastidious@tilde.town Haha 🤣

@bender@twtxt.net Oooofff, I’m panting for breath when just thinking about that! I’ll immediately stop complaining. :-) I already forgot that a jacket over my jumper would have been nice. I’m happy to be cold.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org I walked under 25°C during my lunch hour today, but with a sunshine that could fry an egg if dropped on the asphalt. I told a friend in Manila about it, and she told me that 25°C is Winter/Christmas temperatures for them. I felt cooler right away. :-)

@xuu@txt.sour.is like, badly broken. I mean, the guy doesn’t even use twtxt (it is more like an RSS feed for him). So, yeah, even if it was the correct mention it would never reach the intended ears. 😂

@fastidious@tilde.town I see you, and your useless twtxt. :-P

@<@marado@ciberlandia.pt https://tilde.pt/~marado/twtxt.txt> Hey! do you see this? 🧐

@prologic@twtxt.net yes, same here.

@bender@twtxt.net I don’t no. I mostly just use whole themes. And my facourite it AMOLED

@prologic@twtxt.net I am just going over things. I don’t use it, do you?

@doesnm.p.psf.lt@doesnm.p.psf.lt It was always intended to have both Yarn.social and Salty.im integrate together. Yes. This includes having a set of specifications that anyone can write clients to.

@javivf@adn.org.es Generally speaking if it has been reviewed, discussed and merged, then we accept it as a standard to the set of specs we support. However we might want to document this process and set some guidelines about this to be clear 🤣 We’ve been fairly lax/lose here and I think that’s okay given teh size of our community 👌

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev @bender@twtxt.net @prologic@twtxt.net @eapl.me@eapl.me btw does twtxt dm and salty can be bridged together? iirc you planned this

New version release of twtxt-el!

• Fixed many bugs.
  
• New back buttons.
  
• Updated documentation.
  

I am currently fixing an important bug that break the timeline in some cases and I am working around direct messages.

#twtxt #twtxt-el

@bender@twtxt.net Ahhh ha!!! 🤣 I’m too dumb to have thought of that 🤣

@bender@twtxt.net Do we still want this feature? 🧐

@bender@twtxt.net Would they even accept a server from me? 🧐😂

@prologic@twtxt.net so, where is the irc.mills.io leaf, connecting to Libera? 🤭

The tiny avatars, as expected (because they showed normal to you too @prologic@twtxt.net), do not show under macOS’s Safari, but they do show on iOS’s Safari. It truly is a puzzle.

@prologic@twtxt.net this was for IRC, but pong! 🏓

it should be
# 2025-04-13T11:02:12+02:00 !<dm-echo https://dm-echo.andros.dev/twtxt.txt> U2FsdGVkX1+QmwBNmk9Yu9jvazVRFPS2TGJRGle/BDDzFult6zCtxNhJrV0g+sx0EIKbjL2a9QpCT5C0Z2qWvw==

my main itch with the DMs extensions is that these messages are intended to be private, not public information. That’s why other extensions make sense, but DMs are another kind of feature.
TwiXter, Mastodon, FB and some other services usually hide the DMs in another section, so they are not mixed with the public timeline.

I find the DM topic interesting, I even made an indie experiment for a centralized messaging system here https://github.com/eapl-gemugami/owl.
Although, as I’ve said a few times here, I’m not particularly interested in supporting it on microblogging, as I don’t use it that much. In the rare case I’ve used them, I don’t have to manage public and private keys, and finally none of my acquaintances use encrypted email.
Nothing personal against anyone, and although I like to debate and even fight, it’s not the case here. This proposal is the only one allowing DMs on twtxt, and if the community wants it, I’ll support it, with my personal input, of course.

A good approach I could find with a good compromise between compatibility with current clients and keeping these messages private is ‘hiding’ the DMs in comments. For example:
# 2025-04-13T11:02:12+02:00 !<dm-echo https://dm-echo.andros.dev/twtxt.txt> U2FsdGVkX1+QmwBNmk9Yu9jvazVRFPS2TGJRGle/BDDzFult6zCtxNhJrV0g+sx0EIKbjL2a9QpCT5C0Z2qWvw==

@bender@twtxt.net ping! 🏓

@hacker-news@feeds.twtxt.net I like this 👌

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev Nice! 😊

It’s ready 🥳! https://dm-echo.andros.dev/
An example: https://dm-echo.andros.dev/generate/?url=https://twtxt.andros.dev/
#twtxt

@bender@twtxt.net Close enough 🤣

@prologic@twtxt.net earliest I have of you:

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev No worries! 😉

@bender@twtxt.net Sadly my earlier Twt back in ~2020 is now gone from at least this pod’s cache 🤣 – It might still exist in other pods though? 🤔 It does! https://txt.sour.is/twt/o6dsrga

My welcome message, and first recorded mention (that I could find):

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev I don’t see any “fighting” here. This is just good experimentation. Unfortunately there hasn’t really been enough time or effort by other “client authors” yet, me especially as I’ve been super busy with ya’ know my “day job” that pays the bills and refactoring yarnd to use a new and shiny and much better SqliteCache 🤣 – I certainly don’t think your efforts are wasted at all. I would however like @doesnm.p.psf.lt@doesnm.p.psf.lt encourage you to look at the work we’ve done as a community (which was also driven out of the Yarn.social / Twtxt community years back).

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev how often do you send a private message on the Fediverse? How often do you send PGP/SMIME encrypted emails? Are there other tools that are more suitable for the task? If implementing direct/private messages on twtxt scratches an itch (you know, that hobbyist itch we all get from time to time), then don’t give up so easily. Worse comes to worse, and your feed becomes too noisy, people can simply unfollow/mute.

I really don’t care about direct messages here, but I might be on that bottom 1%!

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev i think salty.im integration would be great but i still don’t know how it possible

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com Congratulations!!! Happy birtwt! 🥳

@prologic@twtxt.net @bender@twtxt.net @eapl.me@eapl.me I think opening another file is a bad idea because it adds complexity to the clients, breaks the single feed and I think keeping legacy clients will be more complex to add new features in the future. A modern approach is important.
I’ll be honest, I’m a bit tired of the fight around the direct message. Perhaps, we can remove it as an extension and use the alternative @prologic@twtxt.net . My suggestion apparently doesn’t like to the community. I have no problem with remove it.

@prologic@twtxt.net I don’t understand. I checked the feed, the twtxt file, and there are no duplicate links. I will follow the next articles 👁️👁️‍. Thank you!

@eldersnake@we.loveprivacy.club No worries! 👌

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com tempus fugit when you are having fun! Happy 1st Twtxtversary!

@bender@twtxt.net YES PLEASE!

Happy 1st Twtxt~iversary to me … I guess. It feels like it was 5 years since my first twt 😅

@prologic@twtxt.net good top of the morning to ya! It is still yesterday here. 🤪

I think that having a dm-only.txt, twtxt-dm.txt or any other name for an alternative file is the most sensible approach. The name could be specified in the metadata.

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev Ahh I see 👌

@prologic@twtxt.net Yes, it is a security hole. All dm-echo messages are readable. I intend it to be a debugging tool. Maybe I can include a warning message. If many of you see that it is a serious problem, I can remove the links.

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev maybe create a separate, completely distinct feed for DM? That way, clients do not need to do anything, only those wanted to “talk in private” follow themselves, using their very special dm-only.txt feeds. 😂

@bender@twtxt.net … of course … 😂

@movq@www.uninformativ.de hmmm, pigeon soup… 🤤😂

@movq@www.uninformativ.de For sure, an app for that is very silly. I’ve just seen signs in participating shops in my town. That’s how I know of this concept.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org My goodness, a toilet app. Was es nich’ alles gibt. 🥴

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev your feed is spitting out dupes? 🧐

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev I honestly think IRC is better anyway 🤣

@movq@www.uninformativ.de You just have to dress yourself up in a dog custume to pee on a tree, fence post or house wall. :-P

Depending on the hour, town halls and also graveyards are typically good options for public toilets. But yeah, you have to find them first. And then, there might be the “Nette Toilette”: https://www.die-nette-toilette.de/ (Unfortunately, you can’t see on the website which towns and cities participate in that concept. :-()

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Nice photo! It is beautiful.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Heck yeah, that’s an awesome shot!