@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt Haha 🤣 Blame @sorenpeter@darch.dk 🤣

@sorenpeter@darch.dk@darch.dk It doesn’t work🤣 No other clients
Support this 😅

@sorenpeter@darch.dk curious why you at mentioned a timestamp? 🤔

@xuu I guess the way SimpleX does its routing is quote clever and ingineious really. – However we never designed Salty.im that way. That wasn’t an attack vector we were really concerned with right? I’ve been using SimpleX with you for the last day or so now and reading up on it, and whilst there are some overlapping and similar ideas I feel that SimpleX has slightly different design goals right?

I mean Salty.im is more designed to be self-hosted, with good crypto but we never tried to set out to build a complex multi-broker, relay network-type protocol right? Do we need to? Probably not I think. Hmmm 🧐

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt I mean generally speaking you would cache things for a period of time right? There are other things you could do as well to build a better more resilient system. These are good conversations to have, however we, and by we I mean mostly @xuu and I really, haven’t had a lot of time to spend/invest in Salty.im of late 😭

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt Are you interested in helping continue it’s development with us? Do you have any experience with cryptography and/or programming language like Go?

So… Yes all this is sorta/kinda true, remember I used to work there once (great place to work, awful company). It isn’t by design or on-purpose I don’t think, at least not from the perspective I had back then.

What really needs to happen here in general, and I’ve said it before; is this:

Profiting off of user-generated data and metadata should be made illegal.

Social Media (systems) don’t need to be regulated beyond not allowing minors to access social media. But if you enact the changes to laws (see above) such that profiting off of userdata is made illegal, then you minors can be potentially “safe” from predators. Let’s be honest, predators are the “big tech” companies that make this shit™ highly addictive to the point where it “rots your brain”.

@bender@twtxt.net Cool ! Thanks for sharing your thoughts 🙏 I agree, on the surface this looks bad for privacy and community well being.

@xuu How would that work?

@xuu Got it 👌

What’s so terrible about Vivaldi? 🤔

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt What do you think of when you say “decentralized”?

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt salty.im needs a lot more work 🤞it is however designed to be 1000% decentralized 👌

@bender@twtxt.net What don’t you like about all this? 🤔 i’m not entirely sure I know all of the folks behind this to be honest.

What’s that address you set up @xuu a redirect!

Seems to work okay for me so far 👌

@thecanine@twtxt.net Very nice! 👍

@bender@twtxt.net Yes. I think as a fancy autocomplete “tool” it’s not too shabby. Beyond that I’m not convinced it saves you time at all.

Wow! 😮 He seems to be digging himself into a hole there right? 🤣

Over the past few days I’ve been playing around with the latest Chat-GPT, I think the model is called o1-preview. I’ve used it for various tasks from writing documentation, specs, shell scripts, to code (in Go).

The result? Well I can certainly say the model(s) are much better than they used to be, but maybe that isn’t so much the models per se, but the sheer processing power at OpenAI’s data centers? 🤔

But here’s the kicker though… If anyone ever for a moment ever think that these “AI” things are intelligent, or that the marketing and hype is ever remotely close to trying to convince of us this “AGI” (Artificial General Intelligence) or ASI (Artificial Super Intelligence), you are sorely mistaken.

Chat-GPT and basically and any other technology based on Generative-AI (Gen-AI), these pre-trained transformers that use adversarial neural networks and insanely multi-dimensional vector databases to model all sorts of things from human language, programming languages all the way to visual and audible art are (wait for it):

Incredibly stupid! 🤦‍♂️

They are effectively quite useless for anything but:

• Reproducing patterns (albieit badly)
  
• Search and Retrieval (in a way that “seems” to be natural)
  

And that’s about it.

Used as a tool, they’re kind of okay, but I wouldn’t use Chat-GPT or CoPilot. I’d stick with something more like Codeium if you want a bit of a fancier “auto complete”. Otherwise, just forget about the whole thing honestly. It doesn’t even really save you time.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Ooof 😢

It’s all about the r gage meant ya see 😅

@bender@twtxt.net Nope not at all. base64 just encodes more bits

Build what makes you happy. Let miserable people build the rest

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org I think the proposal should be as simple as this:

• Update the Twt Hash extension.
  
• Increase its truncation from 7 to 12
  

@xuu is right about quite a few things, and I’d love it if he wrote up the dynamic hash size proposal, but I’m inclined to just increase the length in the first place mostly because my own client yarnd doesn’t even store the full hashes in the first place 🤦‍♂️ (I thinnk)

@xuu Good point.

@xuu I guess @movq@www.uninformativ.de ’s point is there isn’t one that is available as standard on OpenBSD? 😅

e.g:

$ printf "%s\t%s\t%s" "https://example.com/twtxt.txt" "2024-09-29T13:30:00Z" "Hello World!" | sha256sum | awk '{ print $1 }' | xxd -r -p | base64 | head -c 12
UWVFdUXtvoLS

@bender@twtxt.net I’m inclined to agree. @xuu needs a bit of convincing maybe? 🤔

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Curious, is our goal to have readily available tools on every possible system? 🤔

@bender@twtxt.net To be fair it really isn’t sha256sum vs. b2sum. Neither is more complicated than the other.

@bender@twtxt.net So it should be possible to install man pages in one’s home directory👌

@bender@twtxt.net Yea but what about non-root?

@bender@twtxt.net Hmmm 🤔 Where do you put man pages outside of the contest of a package manager? 🤔

@bender@twtxt.net Not sure. It might be a slight variant. I’ll find out 🙃

@bender@twtxt.net Oh I hope that is true 🤣

@movq@www.uninformativ.de sorry to hear about your personal things going on. 🤗

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I don’t think that matters a great deal. I think you should publish your client anyway because I think the direction that will end up taking will hopefully be one that we collectively agree on. 🤞

@movq@www.uninformativ.de is that the only system is not available on? Are there alternative packages for OpenBSD?

If we stuck with Blake2b for Twt Hash(es); what do we think we need to reasonably go to in bit length/size?

=> https://gist.mills.io/prologic/194993e7db04498fa0e8d00a528f7be6

e.g: (turns out @xuu@txt.sour.is is right about Blak2b being easy/simple too!):

$ printf "%s\t%s\t%s" "https://example.com/twtxt.txt" "2024-09-29T13:30:00Z" "Hello World!" | b2sum -l 32 -t | awk '{ print $1 }'
7b8b79dd

I am told through various sources that Iran decided last night to attack Israel with over 200 missile strikes in response to Israel attacking Lebanon. 🤔

@bender@twtxt.net sorry wat?! 🤣

@bender@twtxt.net at this point, I wouldn’t use anything but Signal or Apple messages 😅.

@xuu did we ever spec this up?

@quark@ferengi.one hmm?

I’m not really sure that is any better hmmm, please help 🙏

Let’s try that… Pushed a new commit… Give it ~5m to update…

@bender@twtxt.net I have no idea what I want to be perfectly honest. This is CSS done from scratch 😅

@bender@twtxt.net I’m open to suggestions. What would you prefer the color scheme to be? 🤔

Still playing with the style/template and what to include, just keeping it simple for now.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I’d love it if you write up a page for jenny 🙏 at https://twtxt.dev 🤞