Yeah I really don’t know wtf happened here 🤣

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org That is very nice mate 👌 Probably one of the best sunsets I’ve seen 😅

Yeah this happens from time- to time, and there isn’t really a lot we can do about it. If a twt was published and enough clients saw it and replied to it, but then yeah basically what @bender@twtxt.net said 😅

I made some improvements to the Twtxt Search service tonight. Hopefully this update makes it a bit easier to use and resolves some of your critical pieces of feedback @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org 🤞 The main idea being that by default the search is basically a “Query String” type search, meaning that it does what you expect. If you search for a simple term, it’ll do that, If you enclose your search term in “double quotes” it’ll search for that phrase. If you then want to search against specific fields you can do so with mentions:prologic@twtxt.net for example. I hope this makes the useability much better 👌

@bender@twtxt.net Definitely a bug here, but I think it’s an old outstanding bug that I have to figure out again and fix 🤦‍♂️

@dbucklin@www.davebucklin.com I would recommend using a client that at least supports the Twt Hash and Twt Subject extensions 😅

@dbucklin I would recommend using a client that at least supports the Twt Hash and Twt Subject extensions 😅

@mckinley@twtxt.net Fair 👌

@bender@twtxt.net Over ten years now 😆 And you’re right! Problem is no-one makes the chassis anymore 😢

To be honest I don’t find it all that inflexible.

When you consider that you’re limited by hardware anyway, you plan your ZFS array ahead of time like I did.

As the years go on and drives fail you eventually replaces all disks with slightly larger ones.

@mckinley@twtxt.net No

@bender@twtxt.net Yes bit weird 🤔

@dbucklin@www.davebucklin.com hmmm

@dbucklin Hey! 👋

@bender@twtxt.net Wgat happened? 🤔

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org I’ve kept this thread open to think about… But honestly I’m drawing a blank. Do you have any ideas for improvements yourself here? It’s not super clear to me what we should do to make this easier and more useful 😅 I admit myself I also get confused between Match and Term and even though I understand what Query String search is, I tend to think it’s something we can support by “magical detection”™ of the input? 🤔

Does bring up an
interesting question for me though…

would anyone be willing to pay for a twtxt service?

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com That’s the downside of using public services yeah 😢 Yhere is y really a good solution to that 😅

@mckinley@twtxt.net I love ZFS though 😅

@mckinley@twtxt.net Yeah I have plans to redo my
infra to be egress only via WireGuard for that reason 👌

@mckinley@twtxt.net Thanks! 🙇‍♂️

@bender@twtxt.net Fair points 🙇‍♂️

@hecanjog@hecanjog.com Also:

Best way to secure your application/swrvice; Don’t put it on the Internet

🤣

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com This is precisely how (and watching your own access logs for UserAgent) discovery should work 🤣

@bender@twtxt.net Haha 🤣

@bender@twtxt.net No worries! My version is very similar, but it doesn’t rely on fork/exec out to the git binary.

@bender@twtxt.net It does! Yarn supports both gemini:// and gopher:// – The search engine crawls both too 😅

@bender@twtxt.net 🤣

@bender@twtxt.net What would make standing up Yarn even easier? I can think of a few things that people might struggle with: a Domain, Pointing the domain at something valid, Maybe a reverse proxy setup. Running yarnd itself is just downloading a binary and configuring it (which could also be easier)

@bender@twtxt.net Hmmm I had a look at the Cloudflare Event logs just now, and I couldn’t find anything that was blocked that was a POST hmmm

That is one magnificent dandelion 😳

Maybe fix the nick too. Having a @ in the # nick = field doesn’t work well. It’s a bug in yarnd 🤣

@@texto-plano.xyz Oh this is a Gemini feed. You should update its Avatar, it has none 😅

There is also legit which is probably better than what I’ve done.

web frontend for git

https://git.icyphox.sh/

@bender@twtxt.net gitxt probably would do the trick for you 👌 It’s not quite as polished as I’d like, but it works.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Yeah improvements should roll out much more quickly than I can by hand 🤣

I just think it’s hilarious that y’all say you don’t use Yarn / twtxt.net in one breath, but in the same you say you frequently visited the frontpage of twtxt.net to catch up on stuff 🤣

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Okay, so no “fire hose” 🤔

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Speaking of which, can we make any obvious (low hanging fruit) improvements here? 🤔

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Oof ouch! 😱

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Live in a flight path? 🤔

@eapl.me@eapl.me Is self hosting an instance (Yarn or Mastodon) just too hard for most? 🤔 I know standing up ‘as to don is a biatch for sure 🤣

Haha 🤣 No worries! Maune that use-case can move to the search engine / crawler? 🤔

How do we all feel about a “fire hose” front page on https://search.twtxt.net/ ? 🤔

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Thanks!

Whoo! 🥳 I won 2 of my 3 singles tonight! 🏓

@mckinley@twtxt.net 👌

@bender@twtxt.net I’ll wait a while before doing something. For now I’ve unfollowed.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Lovely😅

@bender@twtxt.net Yeah

@bender@twtxt.net GoToSocial is actually great 👍 I’ve run it while testing/devel;ing my first activity pub integration for yarnd I would run it myself permanently, except that I honestly prefer Twtxt and want to keep Yarn.social alive and moving forward (even if slowly).

@bender@twtxt.net Cool 😎

@abucci@anthony.buc.ci Fair 👌

@bender@twtxt.net I guess if you’re going to support the choice of Bulma (and the reason for this Yarn in the first place is I’m pretty rubbish when it comes to UI/UX, so I need all the help I can get! 🤣) – You need to help me understand; Is Bulma a better choice because you see “components” it has that may be useful in a new (say) Yarn 2.0? Or is Picnic CSS enough? 🤔

@bender@twtxt.net @mckinley@twtxt.net If you had to pick between Picnic CSS and Bulma? Which would you choose? 🤔 And why?

Do we have another crack at a Twtxt <-> ActivityPub service?

So… What does a lightweight yarnd 2.0 even look like? Hmm 🧐

Whoo! 😳 We run 5-0 (games) tonight in table-tennis 🎾 My tam mate also won her 2 singles for the first time! 😅 Whoohoo!

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com Like deebs.net

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Wow three different opinions 🤣

@movq@www.uninformativ.de ahahahahah 🤣🤣🤣

@shreyan@twtxt.net True! And I agree 👌

I’m not sure what the plans are anymore 😢 I still love the simplicity of Twtxt too and I’ve always seen this project as more of an “ecosystem”.

Appreciate the positive kind words, but you’re right, “momentum” has died a lot and I don’t have as much spare time or energy as I used to.

@bender@twtxt.net Ouch! 🤣 Was/Is it worth it? 🤔

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com Yup! And to be fair to @dfaria@twtxt.net this is a general problem.

That only works if you’re a user of said pod right? 🤔 Is this going to be the majority of cases or do we have to also worry about anonymous users (and crawlers/bots) where the “Discover” view is essentially the pods front page?

Of the following CSS libraries, which is more appealing to you? 🤔

• https://bulma.io/
  
• https://pure-css.github.io/
  
• https://picnicss.com/
  
• https://picturepan2.github.io/spectre/

Maybe some kind of option that when enabled will collapse multiple posts from the same feed and only show the top most recent one, with some kind of UI/UX that indicate “N more today…”?

Is Yarn.social dead or just too niche? (uyrrria) 🧐

I’d also be very interested to hear what some other users of yarnd have to say, sadly there are only a handful of pods around that I’m aware of and/or that peer with my pod (twtxt.net) 😢

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Maybe Yarn.social/Twtxt has become boring or too niche? 🤔 Anyway cc @eldersnake@yarn.andrewjvpowell.com @xuu @stigatle@yarn.stigatle.no @abucci@anthony.buc.ci

Another feature as mentioned in #iq4rusa is using filters on the Timeline and/or Discover views. One of the most common “workflows” I use is to go to “Discover” and use the “Without replies” and “Hide my posts” filters to see if there’s anything new and interesting in my pod’s cache I haven’t seen before or maybe could reply to (or not).

Of course as I’ve locked down registrations on my pod anyway (have kept it locked down now for months) due to SPAM accounts and bots just creating rubbish accounts/feeds, this workflow may no longer be all that useful? hmmm 🧐

Hah 🤣 @dfaria@twtxt.net Your @dfaria.eu@dfaria.eu feed really does consume about >50% of a “Discover” search with filters “Without replies” and “Hide my posts”. 🤣

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One thing to be clear about here is that it was never my intention for a pod’s “front page” (Discover view when not logged in) to be any kind of “listing” or “advertising” or such. That was completely unintentional. If this is expected somehow, we should probably discuss that too more seriously and discuss its merits, and if it can be support, should be supported, or if there’s a different solution entirely? For example. there is the search engine which could show a global feed/timeline view, albeit the domain could be something different.

I’d like to hear some ideas that fix or improve the signal / noise ratio for all users and even benefits non-users (anonymous users just hitting a pod’s index page, which is the discover view)

There’s also a pod-level setting (admins) that control what the “Discover” (or front page if you’re not logged in) display:

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This is either:

• Local posts only (local to the pod)
  
• All posts in the pod’s cache

One of the problems I have with changing the way the “Discover” view works whilst at the same time keeping it “clean” (depending on who you talk to) is the behaviour between “Timeline” (what you follow explicitly) and “Discover” (a view into the pod’s cache). See attached, where I by default prefer a “collapsed” view (hiding replies). The default behaviour for Discover (no controls) is “everything”.

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The reason I bring this up is that part of my “workflow” has become to occasionally use the “Discover” view to see if I’ve missed any “in-between” replies that often happen, find new interesting folks to follow and/or interact with, etc.

Changing this to anything but the current behaviour would break this flow for me 😢

@bender@twtxt.net Nah feeling pretty rubbish today actually 😢

@marcorocco@roccodrom.de What are you updating and changing out in your bathroom? 🤔 We probably need to update our bathroom too, the spa pipes are getting a bit uggh 😅

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com I just woke up fianally 🤣 It’s 12:45pm here (midday)

@bender@twtxt.net Haha I know and @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org is awesome🤣

@dfaria@twtxt.net Appreciate this 👌 Right now the algorithm is quite dumb – and I’d also hate to develop any algorithm that abuses any data from users. So definately needs to be things like:

• one post per day per domain
  
• or latest post per domain
  

etc/./

@sorenpeter@darch.dk Yup! Some good simple ideas there 👌

@sorenpeter@darch.dk Thanks for your positivity and support ! 🤗 This is exaxrly spot on, however I also realize getting things “right” is actually quite hard 😅

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org How much emphasis do you place on test coverage?

To be fair cleaning up “noise” is quite hard to do. Obciously all the 1-way Mastodon feeds were easy because there’s just no way to interact with them!

@dfaria@twtxt.net That’s fair. Also removed the block on your domain btw.

@bender@twtxt.net I guess all I can do is unblock the domain and sit down and rethink the “Discover” view’s design and behavior? hmmm 🧐 Alternatively, build a new yarnd 2.0? as a single-user pod only?

@bender@twtxt.net Yeah I could get behind that. Define minimalistic though? What features (if any) would we drop? Would it be mobile-first or desktop-first?

@bender@twtxt.net I couldn’t agree more 🤣

@bender@twtxt.net I never see problems on my end, so I suspect this has to be Cloudflare doing this occasionally. I’ll have to poke around there again. At least I have a close enough timestamp :D Maybe message me your IP and approximate timestamp?

I think multi-user pods were a mistake.

@dfaria@twtxt.net Sorry this has pissed you off so much (unintentional) – Also why the irrational outburst?! 😱 That’s no way to have discourse or help improve anything 🤦‍♂️

If you have ideas for improvement we’re all ears 👂

@dfaria@twtxt.net Cancelling is a strong word. I’d you follow your other feed yourself it’s still visible to you!

This whole exercise just reenforces that the idea of the “Discover” view was and is a terrible idea. 😢

@osnews@feeds.twtxt.net

We’ll have to see how this policy will be implemented, but I like that Gentoo is willing to take a stand.

Me too😅

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Haha 🤣 I saw this too and immediately thought

I have to stop using Terraform

🤣

@bender@twtxt.net Oh my 😱

@mckinley@twtxt.net I’m not sure to be honest I think it’s just a straight up duplicate post. This actually does happen, it’s not a bug, it’s a “human problem”, but yeah it’s annoying, so it’s making me want to figure out a way of keeping some kind of similarity db to strip duplicates out like this.

Hmmm the feeds service needs some kind of deduping 🤔 Slashdot seems to be the most frequent culprit 🙄 For example #oc2vksa and #wbx7ioq

Oh wow that’s a lot of UPS(es) 🤣

@bender@twtxt.net good idea 😅

@bender@twtxt.net Get well soon! 🤞