Ok, got a 20GB of SSD disk, 2GB of RAM, dedicated static IPv4 address, /64 IPv6 subnet OpenBSD vmd VPS thanks to https://ircnow.org/.

@prologic@we.loveprivacy.club Some https://9front.org/ people run it as a daily driver and I don’t think beauty is the only measure of software quality, nice to have but I won’t judge a piece of software for being ugly.

P.S. I can’t post replies from the thread pages, it gives me a 400 error.

It’s a port of nextvi for the Plan 9 operating system. Plan 9 is an operating system developed at some point by the UNIX/Go guys.

It’s https://github.com/kyx0r/nextvi for https://9p.io/plan9/

nextvi for plan9 beta (https://adi.onl/nextvi.tgz), if interested please consider donating to my future https://openbsd.amsterdam/ Plan 9 virtual machine. (target is 127 €)

https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=7QXC2F3ANCDC2

@Anthony_Sorace@a.9srv.net There is no try! :D

@Anthony_Sorace@a.9srv.net Why not Go?

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org To me it sounds just like Stairway to Heaven played backwards. :D

It somehow reminded me of https://youtu.be/FNE75XznfIE?si=Qw2E9VX9JPSSI70g, I was looking for hidden messages in the letters. :P

@Anthony_Sorace@a.9srv.net I’m getting:

magicclock.c:189 function args not checked: drawclock
magicclock.c:234 function args not checked: drawclock

btw, fixed it myself”

@Anthony_Sorace@a.9srv.net I have a ton of ideas to implement for Plan 9 but I recently discovered http://www.collyer.net/who/geoff/9/ Geoff’s 9k but still didn’t get it to boot on OpenBSD vmm. For now, main problem is the serial console is not working I think. I’ll have to diff with jmk… I think again.

Also, not sure about those lost RAM.

Serial console doesn’t work tho.

And it booted

https://prnt.sc/ftkB-yLhbccZ

I can drawterm and all.

I’m tinkering with the Plan 9 9k kernel https://github.com/0intro/plan9-contrib/tree/main/sys/src/9k testing if I can boot it on OpenBSD vmm, it’s booting but interrupts don’t work.

I just remembered Mr. Oizo https://youtu.be/qmsbP13xu6k?si=g7yNfWeONis8D5Eh

@prologic@twtxt.net There’s no guarantee you’ll increase your portofolio and wealth if you invest, much less if you borrow to invest.

@Anthony_Sorace@a.9srv.net Haha, no leads ! But would be cool! :)

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Matters for your own personal sense of satisfaction.

@Anthony_Sorace@a.9srv.net That’s money for p9f?

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Ooops, there were already ported drivers http://9legacy.org/9legacy/patch/pc-sdvirtio.diff. Oh well, learning experience.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I’m pretty happy with my naming abilites. I do alot of research before hand tho so that my names fit with the overall naming scheme. dusage is not a bad name to be honest, but we already have du with is short for “disk usage”, if you don’t have a du in OS/2 I think it’s an ok name.

I see myself slowly migrating to Plan 9.

Earliest version of mkws https://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/Provider/ShellScript.html 😀 from the first web site ever.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Sounds very frenchy “d’usage” or something like that.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de For some reason I kept reading dusage like you would read French visage.

Oh, and I’m finally starting to feel confortable with ed. :D

@movq@www.uninformativ.de https://9front.org/ is a fork of the original https://plan9.io/plan9/. I just ported 9fronts drivers (https://git.9front.org/plan9front/plan9front/1b51d5683a5d8adcde03bbd277e6331f23c2f723/sys/src/9/pc/ethervirtio.c/f.html and https://git.9front.org/plan9front/plan9front/1b51d5683a5d8adcde03bbd277e6331f23c2f723/sys/src/9/pc/sdvirtio.c/f.html) to the original Plan 9. It was almost drop in to be honest. If I were to build one from scratch, there’s this: https://brennan.io/2020/03/22/sos-block-device/, looks digestible.

Ok, had some fun porting 9front virtio drivers to 9legacy for OpenBSD vmd:

https://prnt.sc/xOCx0q7yT_WD

@prologic@twtxt.net Lots of content is crap tbh!

In their defense, they don’t have a web site up at that domain address.

I just figured out, their domain was just one letter different from another EV charging company domain.

@prologic@we.loveprivacy.club They were doing embedded development just like you would JavaScript development, using only “the framework”, as I said: https://github.com/espressif/esp-idf, compile times were super long (20s), the boss asked “How many times do I compile per day?” I said: “constantly….”. Just couldn’t work with the framework, was super slow. Had to develop the driver bare metal and after that integrate it!

The owner/boss was a Python progammer, never heard of Go!

@prologic@we.loveprivacy.club They knew about microPython, but the boss never heard about Go, the other guy may have heard of it tho,… I think!

@prologic@twtxt.net Yeah! They called themselves embedded C programmers, pretty sure they couldn’t write a Makefile. I called them scammers tbh!

Oh, btw, previous guys I worked with never heard of Go!

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org That was for an energy metering driver I made (EV charging stations).

I’m currently working on a VCS for small projects. Single file, plain text repository made entirely of just patches. I’m currently porting to 9Front and all I have is to do add suport for 3 way merging (I think I’ll just use diff3 on Linux and merge3 on OpenBSD for that. Currently it only supports plain text and no binaries.

This an example repo for my dotfiles https://0x0.st/HRnc.diff, view log implementation in awk: https://0x0.st/HRnT.sh

@everybody
If interested, some 💵 would be great as I’ve been out of job for a few months now and they payed like shit when I was working with them.

https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=7QXC2F3ANCDC2

You could clone that repo with only:

curl https://0x0.st/HRnc.diff | tee v | patch -p0 

However, patch would leave some extra files in the directory.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org This is what I was using cu for https://github.com/espressif/esp-idf?tab=readme-ov-file#viewing-serial-output

@dfaria@dfaria.eu Honest philosophy would say you don’t need help!

Ex Microsoft executive in Romania sentenced to 6 years for tax evasion. https://www-digi24-ro.translate.goog/stiri/actualitate/justitie/fostul-director-al-microsoft-romania-a-fost-ridicat-de-politisti-dupa-ce-a-fost-condamnat-la-6-ani-de-inchisoare-pentru-evaziune-2680453?_x_tr_sl=ro&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp&__grsc=cookieIsUndef0&__grts=56913881&__grua=a8877bd08bc4b8d79850cfe10dc29217&__grrn=1

@movq@www.uninformativ.de movq.de is cool. I don’t see any problem as long as you set up redirects.

First comment is also gold:

This is also adult me listening to Many Men.

Haven’t seen something as funny as this in a long time!

https://youtube.com/shorts/WNZ_8S7ADKk?si=8N43TO5Bbe_P8J7x

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Heh! I think I just closed the window or just kill-ed the process whenever I got that laggy, if ever, that I couldn’t quit with just exit.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org

You quit cu by pressing ~.. If that doesn’t work, “just hit Enter a couple of times before the combination” (read it on some forum).

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org I personally used it to connect to embedded dev boards via serial connection (dev boards I noticed come with a lot of crap frameworks and tools. I just used cu and plain C). You can also use it for https://man.openbsd.org/vmctl.8#console.

I remembered cu is next to vi in the “impossible to quit software” list.

I’ve been playing https://store.steampowered.com/app/588430/fallout_shelter for the last months.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Nice name!

@movq@www.uninformativ.de 👏

@prologic@twtxt.net I maintain my opinion that’s it’s just not worth avoiding learning HTML, CSS.

This sounds even better!

https://youtu.be/uDqvmeq1nj0?si=5k8gwBPoZapnQMIv

This sounds super good!

https://youtu.be/sCz5y84dwuA?si=vjYMMkY6da7mHZI1

@prologic@twtxt.net Thanks! :D

They got the Nobel in Physics last year! Just saying…

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Thanks! :D

Cool, “The computer association at Lund University and Lund University of Technology” in Sweden is using mkws https://dflund.se/

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Cool!

Also, I think the EU is doing a great job with the recent laws regarding Microsoft and Apple! (Uninstallable default apps, sideloading and USB-C for Apple Products)

What do you think of Typescript removal from Rails?

Actually, it’s outputting bullshit most of the times.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org I’m porting https://github.com/kyx0r/nextvi to 9front.

@prologic@twtxt.net They suck bad! Artificial stupidity as I said. Real problem with ChatGPT is to discover when it’s actually outputting bullshit because it’s outputting it in a very convincing way, but in the end it’s still bullshit. Maybe that’s why they call it “intelligence”, because he’s good at lying to us.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I so wouldn’t want to delete this :

view, layout

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I was theming gtk 2.0 apps in OpenBSD.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org I’m really happy with cwm.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de

(Nope, that’s not Twitter.)

lol

Lol, just visited https://www.gnome-look.org/, I believe I haven’t been there in more than a decade! :D

Related threads https://nixers.net/Thread-How-do-you-tidy-your-home-aka-tree-L2, https://nixers.net/Thread-XDG-CONFIG-HOME-as-etc?pid=23654#pid23654

@movq@www.uninformativ.de

My XDG_STATE_HOME directory doesn’t even exist, no program has created it.

$XDG_STATE_HOME defines the base directory relative to which user-specific state files should be stored. If $XDG_STATE_HOME is either not set or empty, a default equal to $HOME/.local/state should be used.

The $XDG_STATE_HOME contains state data that should persist between (application) restarts, but
that is not important or portable enough to the user that it should be stored in $XDG_DATA_HOME. It may contain:

actions history (logs, history, recently used files, …)

current state of the application that can be reused on a restart (view, layout, open files, undo history, …)

I don’t believe it’s a good idea to wipe it.

$ cat /etc/fstab
...
swap /home/adi/var/cache mfs rw,-s512M,noatime,nosuid,nodev 1 0

and https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2021-12-15-openbsd-mfs-persistency.html for XDG_CACHE_HOME.

@mckinley@twtxt.net What “annoying” software packages specfically? :P

Stumbled on this on lobste.rs:

https://github.com/focus-editor/focus

Can’t run it tho.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org

export XDG_DATA_HOME=~/share
export XDG_CONFIG_HOME=~/etc
export XDG_STATE_HOME=~/local/state
export XDG_CACHE_HOME=~/var/cache
export XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=~/var/run

@prologic@neotxt.dk Yeah I believe the “I don’t have time” excuse it’s just sweeping the dust under the carpet.

@prologic@twtxt.net Yeah, I believe the “works on my machine” problem is solved by understanding why it works on my machine and not on another.

@prologic@twtxt.net Yeah, I’m not a big fan of docker.

@markwylde@twtxt.net

My outgoing mail will pass the basic checks at Gmail, namely SPF, DKIM and DMARC, which are more than enough to get your mail through.

It’s in the article.

@markwylde@twtxt.net It’s not that hard https://poolp.org/posts/2019-09-14/setting-up-a-mail-server-with-opensmtpd-dovecot-and-rspamd/

@abucci@anthony.buc.ci Joke aside, I remember enjoying Ubuntu with Gnome 2, now it just seems bloated. Most Linux distros seem bloated.

@prologic@twtxt.net Just go with the solution that sucks less.

@prologic@twtxt.net I’d just go with radicale or kcaldav în this situation.

@prologic@twtxt.net Maybe install the server and a separate web app of your preference. Or use Gmail as a client if it works?

@prologic@twtxt.net See https://www.sogo.nu/, it looks it has an web app.

@prologic@twtxt.net Ah, I personally wouldn’t want a web app, just use whatever client you prefer.

@prologic@twtxt.net Other options https://kristaps.bsd.lv/kcaldav/, https://www.sogo.nu/ or https://sabre.io/baikal/ PHP, I wouldn’t use.

@prologic@twtxt.net Have no experience with it! :(

I see this recommended as solution for calendar and contacts https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2023-04-23-calendar-and-contacts-with-radicale.html

@prologic@twtxt.net Exactly! :D

@prologic@twtxt.net

What Calendar and Contacts?

I have no experience with calendar and contacts, just email, and it’s really good.

I think we have very different ideas of what “operational complexity” means.

Maybe, what’s your definition?

@prologic@twtxt.net Just use Gmail as an email client, lol “operational complexity”, just configure the thing one time and have it run for years!

@abucci@anthony.buc.ci I belive Linux as a desktop sucks more now than in 1996! :D

@abucci@anthony.buc.ci I have no experience with F-Droid! Is their app inventory decent?

@prologic@twtxt.net

Google/Android garbage

@prologic@twtxt.net https://poolp.org/posts/2019-09-14/setting-up-a-mail-server-with-opensmtpd-dovecot-and-rspamd/ I skipped the rspamd part.

@prologic@twtxt.net https://www.opensmtpd.org/ for email! I’ve been running mine for more than an year!

@prologic@twtxt.net What’s the solution to Google/Android garbage?

@prologic@twtxt.net To having to buy a new phone every year for instance?

I wonder why people didn’t settle on XDG_CONFIG_HOME as ~/etc. Makes so much sense!