@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Stimmt, das hatte ich völlig vergessen. Gab da mal diese Zeit, in der „Forenbeiträge“ die Pest waren. 🤔 Da ist sie also wieder, die rosarote Nostalgiebrille. 😅

@prologic@twtxt.net @itsericwoodward@itsericwoodward.com “Enterprise” Java ruins everything, eh? 😅 I only did that very briefly, luckily.

Das jüngste Posting im Shell und Programmieren-Forum bei ubuntuusers.de ist jetzt 1.5 Monate alt. 😢

Was hab’ ich dieses Forum früher geliebt. Aber das Medium ist einfach tot, niemand ist mehr an so einem Austausch interessiert …

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org It reads a lot nicer, yeah. And you can do oink.my_property += 1 as well, for example.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Good question, I don’t know yet if the standard library has been extended a lot. 🤔

@prologic@twtxt.net No. After the cutoff-date, hashes are expected to be v2. End of story.

(In jenny, a twt can only ever have one thing that can be used for threading.)

I trip over this in our code at work all the time.

Python has this concept of “properties”:

class Oink:
    def __init__(self):
        self._foo = 3

    @property
    def my_property(self):
        return self._foo


a = Oink()
print(a.my_property)

my_property() is a method but it can be used as if it were a field.

This can also be used to define a setter:

class Oink:
    def __init__(self):
        self._foo = 3

    @property
    def my_property(self):
        return self._foo

    @my_property.setter
    def my_property(self, value):
        self._foo = 123 * value

Because, for some reason, Python people don’t like getters and setters. Instead, they hide it behind a property.

The result is, when you read this:

a.my_property = 5
print(a.my_property)

You have no idea that this actually calls a method.

@david@daiwei.me The stuff in parens is lost on yarnd:

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@david@daiwei.me Yeah, Oracle is a Dumpster Fire, that’s true. 🫤

Does yarnd still support the old “threading”? Let’s see.

I really think I should go back to Java.

Writing programs in Python is so exhausting. I want a compiler and I want static typing. No, linters and type checkers and IDEs are not good enough. Compilers catch way more errors in advance.

Rust is also exhausting. They’re constantly adding language features and, at the same time, the runtime library remains tiny and you need 3rd party libraries for everything. Many of those are still at version 0.x (SemVer!) and you can’t rely on anything. Often times, you need the latest Rust nightly compiler.

Go is … I don’t like it. And huge binaries.

I like C as a language, but it’s too fragile. I want to have a proper HashMap every now and then.

None of the above have good GUI libraries, at least not on Linux.

And then there’s Java. This is my fractal renderer that I wrote over 17 years ago:

https://movq.de/v/fcd3c4e557/vid-1784121825.mp4

It’s fast. It has a GUI with custom widgets and those weren’t even hard to make. It still works without changing a single line of code. The source code files have timestamps from 2009 and I just noticed that the JAR file I’m using in the video was compiled in 2010.

Java as a language is relatively easy to learn and to master. There are few surprises. The source code organization with packages is good. Java API docs are clear and well written.

The JVM ramp-up times have improved considerably:

https://movq.de/v/e7314e521e/vid-1784121998.mp4

This isn’t like the Dark Ages anymore. Might even be usable for some CLI tools.

The only thing where Java really sucks is anything close-ish to the kernel. Try issuing an ioctl() … I couldn’t have made my TUI framework in Java, but then again, I wouldn’t have needed to because Swing already exists and it just works.

@prologic@twtxt.net See, that’s what edit/delete is good for. 😅🤪

@david@daiwei.me That’s a good thing. I still use it heavily, but I also realize that it is addictive. This whole idea of getting likes and boosts is horrible. Seeing “number goes up” is inherently addictive design, if you ask me. This should never have been added to a Free Platform like Mastodon, and I’m glad that twtxt doesn’t have anything like it.

@david@daiwei.me 🤣

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Yeah, okay, the default being local means it only stores this stuff offline. So they claim. I don’t trust this and I don’t want to go anywhere near it.

@prologic@twtxt.net It’s from Gabe’s feed: https://gabesarcade.com/twtxt.txt

Yeah, lol, fuck off. Tried to reproduce that hashing issue, thus playing around with Go a little bit. And what did I find?

$ tree ~/.config/go
/home/user/.config/go
└── telemetry
    ├── local
    │   ├── asm@devel-devel-linux-amd64-2026-07-14.v1.count
    │   ├── compile@devel-devel-linux-amd64-2026-07-14.v1.count
    │   ├── go@devel-devel-linux-amd64-2026-07-14.v1.count
    │   ├── link@devel-devel-linux-amd64-2026-07-14.v1.count
    │   ├── upload.token
    │   └── weekends
    └── upload

4 directories, 6 files

It collects and uploads “telemetry” now.

No.

(Don’t tell me how I can turn that off. Not interested. This is a compiler and it wants to track me, without asking for consent. That’s a no-go.)

@david@daiwei.me It really is almost impossible to debug these hash issues. Only thing I can do is some trial-and-error, to see if I somehow end up at pmrf6ftxsdhr instead of ksou5aqw7w5a. So far, no luck. 😅

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz Welcome back 🥳

Back at 29-30 °C in my apartment. 🥳🙄

@david@daiwei.me This is another dangling thread:

Trying to fetch "#kyjhiwcxeknm" from Yarn pod https://txt.sour.is ...
Trying to fetch "#kyjhiwcxeknm" from Yarn pod https://twtxt.net ...
Twt could not be found

@david@daiwei.me The one with www is correct: https://www.uninformativ.de/twtxt.txt is the canonical URL used in the url = metadata field. (For historical reasons, it also works without www and even with http.)

@david@daiwei.me Ah, edits. Okay. Let’s hope that it’s all fixed then. 🤞

… this came off more snippy than I wanted it to. Sorry. 😅

Good morning. I’m seeing so many broken threads. You’re still investigating this, right?

@bender@twtxt.net All the other ones worked but this broke? What’s different here? To which twt hash should this be a reply? 🤔

@david@daiwei.me Well, I don’t see any broken threads here. 🤔

@bender@twtxt.net No idea. I can only tell you that the correct hash would have been rwzz277nkyju for this line:

[2026-07-11 14:47:17+00:00] [(#5bpwpdcjnhcz) <a href="https://txt.sour.is/external?uri=https://daiwei.me/twtxt.txt">@david<em>@daiwei.me</em></a> (This thread is broken again on my end. Another bug or fix not released yet? 😅)]

(Guess I should have used my “find context” function. 🤪)

@bender@twtxt.net Ah, the first twts were from https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Fastidious/fastidious.github.com/master/twtxt.txt, not https://daiwei.me/twtxt.txt. Fetching the GitHub feed completes the thread. 👍

@david@daiwei.me (This thread is broken again on my end. Another bug or fix not released yet? 😅)

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org But but but but but … is that legal?! 😂

Well, this looks good, I guess:

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@prologic@twtxt.net Let’s give it a shot! Test!

@bender@twtxt.net Speaking of drawers at the office … this is mine:

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Looks a bit sad, eh? 🤣 (Or you could say: Minimalism!)

There you go: https://movq.de/blog/postings/2026-07-10/0/POSTING-en.html

@bender@twtxt.net

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Oh, crap! It’s only Thursday! I thought we had Friday already … nnnnooooooo, not another day. 😭

@bender@twtxt.net Ha, I remember these from our trip to Florida ~30 years ago:

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(Yep, it was a rainy day. 😂)

Heh, that’s a cute story: https://www.osnews.com/story/145459/you-paid-me-a-long-time-linux-user-to-use-windows-11-exclusively-for-a-month-heres-how-it-went/

@itsericwoodward@itsericwoodward.com And sometimes …

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(It’s an older meme but it checks out.)

@bender@twtxt.net Oh my god! 😅 That’s worth a small fortune on eBay. 🤣

I’m in the process of making a big page with photos and screenshots, and this is more stuff than I expected. 🫩

@arne@uplegger.eu You have Matrix at work? No Teams, Google Chat, Slack, Discord, whatever, but Matrix? Really? Where do you work, is this Socialist Russia?!

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org How many people are still using XMPP? 🤔 I’d expect the number to just as low as IRC users? 🤔

@prologic@twtxt.net Neither can I. 😱

However, I haven’t touched my favicon longer than that, lol:

$ l movq.de/favicon.ico
─rw─r──r── void users 2011-01-08 198 │ movq.de/favicon.ico

@GabesArcade@gabesarcade.com That’s Halo? I don’t think I ever saw that in person … 🤔

Sie schreien wie die Paviane und Gegenstände fliegen.

Es muss ein Fußballspiel sein.

Windows NT 4 didn’t have a Device Manager. You know, this thing right here that got introduced with Windows 95:

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And that’s super awkward in NT4.

You know what doesn’t have a Device Manager, either? Linux. Why? 🤔 Isn’t this one of the most useful system tools? It gives you an overview of the devices in your system and tells you which driver is used for them. Linux could really use such a tool, I think? 🤔

(There are programs like “hardinfo” and I remember ancient KDE providing such a tool, but they’re all an afterthought. Hardly integrated into the overall system.)

@prologic@twtxt.net Oohhhhhhhh, lovely. 😍

15 years without reinstalling on this particular box.

$ head -n 1 /var/log/pacman.log
[2011-07-07 11:19] installed filesystem (2011.04-1)

Two more years and I’ll be celebrating the “20 years of Arch” anniversary.

@prologic@twtxt.net That looks nice! What’s the temperature?

← expected hash

← expected hash

← expected hash

Test 3

multiline link

https://movq.de/

Test 2

multiline

Test 1

@GabesArcade@gabesarcade.com The no-JS part is one thing, but you also have to disable the (nowadays common) forced-HTTP-to-HTTPS-redirect, because those old browsers can’t do modern crypto. And make sure that your webserver serves the correct page even if no Host header is sent by the client. And don’t even think about serving UTF-8 or even just putting utf-8 in the content type. 😅 And for the JPEG thumbnails I pass a special flag to ImageMagick so that IBM Web Explorer from OS/2 won’t trip. 🤣 And always use link rel="stylesheet" for CSS, because some browsers render inlined CSS as literal text. And … probably more that I forgot by now. 😂

@david@daiwei.me Not sure, actually. Let’s see. Those are the ones where I still have the original disks (or have bought them on eBay again):

• SuSE Linux 6.4 (it’s a massive 7 CD distro with a huge manual, best thing ever)
  
• OS/2 2.1
  
• OS/2 Warp 3 (red and blue spine because $reasons)
  
• OS/2 Warp 4
  
• PC DOS 7
  
• MS-DOS 6.22
  
• Windows 3.1
  
• Windows for Workgroups 3.11
  
• Windows 95 C
  
• Windows 98
  
• Windows NT 4 Workstation (still in the mail, though 😅)
  
• Windows 2000
  
• Windows XP Professional (last Windows I ever used on my private PCs)
  

(Plus a few “classic” office products as can be seen here: https://movq.de/blog/postings/2024-05-23/0/POSTING-en.html )

Okay, wow. Windows NT 4 wasn’t part of my timeline back then, so this is the first time I’m seeing it in action. And this thing came with IE 2, which I’ve also never seen before. (That’s interesting, because I remember using IE even on Win 3.x, but apparently that was already IE 3?)

It also makes me really happy to see my website work in these old browsers. Fullscreen images are “broken” because those are PNG or WebP, but the rest works just fine. 🥳

https://movq.de/v/56243a3e54

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Oh yeah, few people are as persistent as her. That said, it’s really easy to give up. This shit is overwhelming.

@citizenalex@citizenalex.envs.net Correct.

@bender@twtxt.net “Twt could not be found” 😢

@bender@twtxt.net For fork’s sake!

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Oh, yes. The brackets help a great deal.

@GabesArcade@gabesarcade.com Baseball, root beer, darts, atom bombs.

( https://mastodon.social/@nocontexttrek/116862294937117528 )

Java 1.3 on Windows 95 with Proton as the editor could be another option for next Advent of Code.

Win95 runs pretty smoothly on my old box (no surprise, that box came with Win95) and I like Java, so … why not …

Not sure about the speed, though. 🥴

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I just read @kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz’s blog post over here:

https://bubblegum.girlonthemoon.xyz/articles/learning-to-code-like-it-s-the-90s

Jesus, it must be so overwhelming for young people to get started with programming.

When I started programming, there was the built-in ROM BASIC of that PC and probably a bit of BASIC on a floppy, and that was it. Nowadays? Millions of libraries and frameworks and languages and what not – and, much worse, there’s the expectation that you need to make something fancy. When I started, printing something and understanding IF was good enough.

Installing software was (is?) such an incomprehensible mess on Windows … Why did you allow any program to install files anywhere in the system? Why was this considered normal and okay? With no chance of ever cleanly removing that stuff again?

And now we’re back to the trend of curl | bash these days … same thing.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org This apparently depends on the program now … Some Qt6 programs still allow that, others don’t. I can’t remember if GTK ever had that feature. 🤔 But yeah, this whole “move stuff around as you please”-mentality is mostly gone.

I know I keep referring to StarOffice 3.1 a lot, but it’s just such a good example for all these things. All the toolbars and panels could be rearranged:

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(This is running in Wine, btw.)

LibreOffice is the descendant of StarOffice and it doesn’t support anything like that anymore.

Maybe it was deemed too confusing for users? “Oh no, I mis-clicked something and now that bar is gone! How do I get it back? I don’t even know what it’s called!” 🤔

@arne@uplegger.eu Wie sah’s denn drinnen aus? 😅

@bender@twtxt.net twtxthashgeddon, word of the year! 😂

@arne@uplegger.eu Yay! So I’m the only one who fucked it up. 🤪🙈

Well, they paid me something back. (I’m not required to file a tax report, which means that I absolutely should do it. They’re ripping off the “lazy” people.)

@arne@uplegger.eu Foo, bar, and baz! Does it work? Is the houseplant happy?

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Oh wow, those are some amazing photos! 🤯

Test! It works now.

🚨 jenny was broken due to the switch to v2 hash tags.

I pushed a hotfix to main, but this needs a few more test cases. I’ll do that tomorrow.

How about now?

Shit. Jenny is broken. 🥴

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Test!

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Ah, yes, you live in “the zone”: https://social.bund.de/@DeutscherWetterdienst/116839789079697685

If you like Wordle, you’re gonna love Poople: https://poople.io/

@itsericwoodward@itsericwoodward.com … does your cat wear a bow tie?

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Don’t worry, my apartment is still at around 28-30 °C, too, and there’s the construction site outside which is noisy is fuck. Everything sucks at the moment. 🤣

It’s 4am now – and it’s raining! 🥳🥳🥳

@prologic@twtxt.net Depends on what you want, I guess.

Stability: vim-classic > vim > neovim

Features: neovim > vim > vim-classic

😅

@kiwu@twtxt.net Last time you asked we were all tired. Now we’re EXHAUSTED because it’s 40 °C around here. 🥵😂😭

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org It was around 29 °C for a while inside and pretty nice on the balcony, but that’s over now. 🤣

Other than the few Unicode issues I mentioned recently, vim-classic works just fine. I completely forgot that I switched to it.

Starting the day with 32 °C inside and absolutely no cooling from the outside.

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@bender@twtxt.net I know heat (I’ve been to Southeast Asia, for example – or Florida 🤣), but you’re right, it does hit very differently when it’s at home. “At home” is usually the cool and relaxed place, but now it’s hell. And no AC anywhere in sight.

We’re at 39.5 °C now. Are we going to hit 40?

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@prologic@twtxt.net (I haven’t checked out CEF recently. Back then (over 10 years ago), just using a GTK widget was certainly much easier than CEF. 😅)

@prologic@twtxt.net Ah, the joy of making your own browser – welcome to the club. 😃 (I chose WebKitGTK back then and that was not super compatible with websites … CEF would have been better, but also harder to use.)

Compromise: Don’t lazy-load the first ~7 images or so, i.e. the ones that are immediately in view.

tl;dr: Lazy loading is much better on slow internet lines but shittier on fast ones. 🫠

Ah, with lazy loading, browsers only start loading images when the load event occurs. And that takes time. Hm. Not a fan, I might revert this. 🤔

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org I noticed that loading="lazy" might not be so great after all.

This is without lazy loading:

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The total page load time is around 400-500 ms. Okay.

Now this is with lazy loading:

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It finished much quicker, after about 250 ms. Sounds good.

But notice this gap right here?

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This wasn’t there before. With lazy loading, it now takes something like 80-100 ms until the browser even starts loading images. This is Chromium, but Firefox shows a similar gap.

The net result is that there is a very noticeable delay/flicker when you open a page, because it takes so long until the images have loaded. Yes, the layout doesn’t shift around, but that has nothing to do with lazy loading.

How odd. 🤔