Started with

a concept sketch of a full body end-time factory worker on a distant planet, cyberpunk light brown suite, (badass), looking up at the viewer, 2d, line drawing, (pencil sketch:0.3), (caricature:0.2), watercolor city sketch,
Negative prompt: EasyNegativ, bad-hands-5, 3d, photo, naked, sexy, disproportionate, ugly
Steps: 20, Sampler: Euler a, CFG scale: 7, Seed: 2479087078, Face restoration: GFPGAN, Size: 512x768, Model hash: 2ee2a2bf90, Model: mimic_v10, Denoising strength: 0.7, Hires upscale: 1.5, Hires upscaler: Latent

Ended up after post processing:

a concept sketch of a full body end-time factory worker on a distant planet, cyberpunk light brown suite, (badass), looking up at the viewer, 2d, line drawing, (pencil sketch:0.3), (caricature:0.2), watercolor city sketch,
Negative prompt: EasyNegativ, bad-hands-5, 3d, photo, naked, sexy, disproportionate, ugly
Steps: 60, Sampler: DDIM, CFG scale: 7, Seed: 2479087078, Face restoration: GFPGAN, Size: 768x1152, Model hash: 2ee2a2bf90, Model: mimic_v10, Denoising strength: 0.2

Postprocess upscale by: 4, Postprocess upscaler: 4x-UltraSharp

@carsten@yarn.zn80.net Wow, good drawings! What program did you use? Looks like straight out of a comic book.

@carsten@yarn.zn80.net Wow! You drew this?

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org @adi@twtxt.net Stable Diffusion was the AI that I used to generate this with the MIMIC v1.0 model. https://civitai.com/models/35174/mimic

I wish I could draw like that. But I never learned to draw. I can only do some doodles.

@carsten@yarn.zn80.net Oh, all fake. Too bad.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org I would not call it fake. It is not drawn by hand, that’s sure. But fake?

@carsten@yarn.zn80.net @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org I also think it is best called fake. Art is created by human beings, for human beings. It mediates a relationship between two people, and is a means of expression.

A computer has no inner life, no feelings, no experience of the world. It is not sentient. It has no life. There’s nothing “in” there for it to express. It’s just generating pixels in patterns we’ve learned to recognize. These AI technologies are carefully crafted to fool people into experiencing the things they experience when they look at human-made art, but it is an empty experience.

@carsten@yarn.zn80.net I think fake is a bit harsh sure 😆 You went to some effort clearly 👌 – But as @abucci@anthony.buc.ci points out we don’t have a great connection to you and your inner feelings and vision aside from your test description (which may be good enough 🤔) Still I enjoyed what you did even if it was done with an LLM 🤣

@prologic@twtxt.net @carsten@yarn.zn80.net

(1) You go to the store and buy a microwave pizza. You go home, put it in the microwave, heat it up. Maybe it’s not quite the way you like it, so you put some red pepper on it, maybe some oregano.

Are you a pizza chef? No. Do we know what your cooking is like? Also no.

(2) You create a prompt for StableDiffusion to make a picture of an elephant. What pops out isn’t quite to your liking. You adjust the prompt, tweak it a bunch, till the elephant looks pretty cool.

Are you an artist? No. Do we know what your art is like? Also no.

The elephant is “fake art” in a similar sense to how a microwave pizza is “fake pizza”. That’s what I meant by that word. The microwave pizza is a sort of “simulation of pizza”, in this sense. The generated elephant picture is a simulation of art, in a similar sense, though it’s even worse than that and is probably more of a simulacrum of art since you can’t “consume” an AI-generated image the way you “consume” art.

All art is a lie. But the art-ifical can point our attention and experience towards (a/the?) truth which cannot been seen or heard in the natural world

@carsten@yarn.zn80.net I think nothing of AI in general. Too often AI-stuff turned out to be some kind of fraud. My general opinion of AI is very bad. You don’t know how or what the thing “learned”, most often something very different than what one would think. Hence, there’s no way to fix it if it’s broken. And as far as I understand it one doesn’t know when it’s trained enough. So in my eyes it’s a giant waste of resources. Anyways.

@darch@neotxt.dk What do you mean when you say that art is a lie?

@abucci@anthony.buc.ci is it fiction, made up

@carsten@yarn.zn80.net here’s the same prompt on craiyon.com, no retries:

@abucci@anthony.buc.ci Art is not only done by humans https://www.quora.com/Are-human-beings-the-only-species-that-do-art-Why-do-we-do-art

@abucci@anthony.buc.ci You can consume the image as you can consume any other image. If I print it and put it up next to Van Gogh, Goethe poems, Beethoven notes, it is something you can look at and enjoy, or not.

@carsten@yarn.zn80.net Animals have inner lives. Computers do not.

Are you really so desperate to make this point thst you’re citing Quora??? Believe what you want to believe.

@carsten@yarn.zn80.net You are conflating “aiming your eyes at” with “viewing art”. These are fundamentally different activities.

@darch@neotxt.dk So a fiction novel, which is labelled “fiction”, is a lie? I still don’t understand. The word “lie” entails an intention to deceive, but fiction writing does not intend to deceive.

Art is not the medium.

The medium can be material or conceptual, permanent or fleating, truthful or fictional, of human, animal, or artificial origin.

Art is the reconveyance of human emotion or experience to another via some medium.

@darch@neotxt.dk Made up is not the same as lie. That’s obvious isn’t it?!?!