@hecanjog@hecanjog.com RE: “way out of capitalism” - it’s really interesting to read the slightly-expanded form of what you mean. People tend to have their own implicit associations with terms (like “capitalism”, “anti-capitalism”, etc.) and end-up arguing right past each other. There seems to be a lot more overlap than disagreement over the problems with the structures supporting modern life. Although that might not be too surprising. What is somewhat more surprising is that the final ideal seems to also be the same - honest relationships. The universal disdain seems to be toward systemic scams, which capitalize on accidental patterns and betray essential goals.