@abucci@anthony.buc.ci @movq@www.uninformativ.de I for ones was just silently confused, I’m not in the IRC, so whatever it was - therefore I didn’t see it. I also think it’s important to add, that no group, event or action, should be considered “protected from humor”.

It’s a feeling, hard to describe, but the Internet went for mostly toxic, with only a few sanitized places, to now almost fully sanitized. It ruined the fun.

The Fediverse fractured, mostly because some percentage of users, had to find a way to silence those offensive to them, for the entirety of their instance. I really don’t want this place, taking the same path.

@thecanine@twtxt.net you wrote;

“The Fediverse fractured, mostly because some percentage of users, had to find a way to silence those offensive to them, for the entirety of their instance”

It is called moderation. Often people can get away by blocking individuals. In extreme cases entire instances must be blocked.

I also don’t understand the sanitation you are referring to. You don’t interact with what you don’t like, or agree with. You won’t find nazis in my timelines, or fanatic religiosity. Everyone creates their own space.

If “this place” were to become one day unsuitable for me, I would move on. Not the first, not the last. I always ask myself first, though, “is it me?” Sometimes it is me, and I learn, and I try hard to change.

@abucci@anthony.buc.ci said it better than me. You don’t have the facts at hand, and your reply rose eyebrows, and least at my end.

@bender@twtxt.net @abucci@anthony.buc.ci I’m not trying to be hostile, or spread misinformation. I was there, on the Fediverse, back when it happened. If anyone wants more information about this part of Fediverse history, they can watch this short video about it: https://youtu.be/yZoASOyfvGQ

Even this video is in favor of this kind of instance-based moderation and so am I - to some, but much lesser extent. There are instances, that unfortunately became the home of mostly pedophiles or animal abusers and I’m sure no-one else, wants to see that, unless “that” means seeing these kinds of people in jail.

What I have a problem with, is circulating blocklists, including many instances, because of some political ideology or offensive/dark sense of humor - or worst case scenario, the actions of only few of its members.

An ideal implementation of the Fediverse, would in my opinion, warn users, when they’re about to interact with one of these instances, but still give them the options, to accept the risks and go forward with it.

I think this decision being left purely to instance administrators, can in some cases further the divide, between groups and opinions and lead to more extreme versions of those opinions eventually.

We can argue about the other topics too, but that’s probably less important, as I’ll always be of the opinion, that when it comes to humor, anything (me included) can be a target - to the point where I even think it’s ok, to make fun of tragedies, as soon as they happened, even if I usually don’t do that myself.

The sanitization only applies to some sites, like YouTube - removing the dislike button and making their rules way stricter, when it comes to some topics. There are other examples, but I don’t want to make this textwall infinite, so I’ll let go of this, for now.

Lastly and probably most importantly, it was pretty stupid of me, to add these other frustrations of mine, onto this thread about transphobia. Even if we disagree about what is, or isn’t too far, when it comes to humor, I’m obviously in favor, of keeping this place free of any kind of discrimination.

@thecanine@twtxt.net Hopefully we’ve changed subject here a little 😅

What I have a problem with, is circulating blocklists, including many instances, because of some political ideology or offensive/dark sense of humor - or worst case scenario, the actions of only few of its members.

I too don’t want to go down a path of what I call “over moderation”? When we had our first instance of extreme conspiracy content (that started on my pod), we felt the need to do something about this. Not because of the content per se, but because the person found a way to “prop” themselves and their views up above others (potentially) and that is one of Yarn.social’s goals. To make abusing the ecosystem quite hard. So we built “shadow banning” for this very reason.

It is my great hope that as Yarn.social continues to grow (albeit slowly) that certain design decisions like (not using an external scalable SQL database, ephemeral visibility of Twts and Yarns, powerful tools for users and operators), will keep pods small.

@prologic@twtxt.net I think circulating block lists, and especially blocking “dark senses of humor”, is 100% necessary for a heathy environment. There is no reasonable justification for forcing people to see “humor” or whatever you call it, when they don’t want to see it. Extremely bad actors say exactly this kind of stuff, and Nazis and fascists and shifty people of all stripes, for at least 100 years, have tried to hide their shiftiness by pretending it is “free speech” and “humor”. It is unacceptable in 2023 to use the same rhetoric, period, end of story.

And please don’t try to tone police me. I say what I say the way I say it with knowledge of what that means. If I’m not “gentle” there’s a reason for that.A better thing to do is ask why I wasn’t “gentle” in that particular case.

@abucci@anthony.buc.ci I think the conversations of the last
few days is showing me that my efforts to help build a truly decentralized “non social social media” with a sparse network of interconnected communities Igor’s is pricing to be “hard”. 😢

I don’t want to spend time moderating my pod let alone anyone else”. If I have to do that, I’ve failed to build the right tools and controls and the project as a whole would have failed. 🤦‍♂️

@eldersnake@yarn.andrewjvpowell.com Agreed 💯 That was the whole point of Yarn.social 👌

@abucci@anthony.buc.ci Don’t we have enough tools that allow users of single-user and multi-user pods to block stuff they don’t want to see? 🤔 The list includes:

• Unfollow a feed
  
• Mute a feed
  
• Mute a twt
  
• Mute a yarn