Just discovered @lucidiot@tilde.town’s feed and am very saddened to see anyone take this position

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@mckinley@twtxt.net Well, sort of? I’ve been using them (copying or adapting and extending from what I saw others do) since before yarn.social was a thing. Yarn doesn’t (and shouldn’t) have the monopoly of “using twtxt comments how we like”.

@marado@twtxt.net @mckinley@twtxt.net Yhe stupid or funny thing about this (which I find brutally offensive) is the extensions were created out of observation of what the community was already doing.

That is to say; we just formalized what was already commonly being done.

🤦‍♂️

@prologic@twtxt.net well, I think that’s something coming along with fame from Yarn and freedom from them. Some people like to stay with simpler things even if they are obsolete, incompatible, and such. They has an option to not follow an improvement and to stay with the version 1.0 of the spec, and that’s OK in my book.

I agree to disagree, even if I really like the extensions, let’s say 1.1, not being able to communicate with people following forks or modern protocols. Their loss.

@mckinley@twtxt.net 😆

No one using Yarn extensions, it seems

@prologic@twtxt.net @eaplmx@twtxt.net To be fair, the only thing I can think of that makes Yarn feeds not be “standard twtxt” is the disregard for twt size (which many others also do with their non-yarn clients). But sure, I can see how reading these feeds might be frustrating: too big posts, markdown everywhere, linebreak characters, emojis… But I’ll consider it the “freedom of the user” to decide whether or not to follow a feed written in a certain style. The provocative metadata comment? Easy (and better) to just ignore.

and very often it comes from people rather that tech or specs.

Could be something like
“I don’t like ~prologic and/or I don’t like yarn.social, I won’t use that because I like things by my way”
It’s stupid, I’ve felt that, and now I try to ignore it a bit, it’s bad for our health to listen every feedback, IMO 🤷‍♂️

@abucci@anthony.buc.ci I really don’t know mate, I really don’t know. Its really disappointing to see to be honest and I’m really quite upset by this.

@eaplmx@twtxt.net The issue is not @lucidiot@tilde.town desire to remain with the simpler (unextended) Twtxt spec. That’s totally fine. It is this “lash out” and calling out Yarn.social in his feed, as if it were a bad thing that is truly deeply offensive to the work countless folks have done over two and a bit years now and the growing community that continues to build clients, spawn pods, and so on. It’s like a “shove it in your face” kind of moment to see something like this, even borderline “prejudice” really.

People are free to use Twtxt however they wish, and they are even free to use the Extensions we built, or not. So you are 100% right there.

@abucci@anthony.buc.ci I completely agree. It’s the same sort of thing you’ve even brought up before in other contexts. This is just not cool, its poor etiquette, its rude, its offensive, etc.

This just sucks 😢

@marado@tilde.pt well, I find that’s a problem of leaving that open. Using should vs must. Leaves that to different interpretations.

https://twtxt.readthedocs.io/en/latest/user/twtxtfile.html

A status should consist of up to 140 characters, longer status updates are technically possible but discouraged. twtxt will warn the user if a newly composed status update exceeds this limit, and it will also shorten incoming status updates by default.

@prologic@twtxt.net you once told me in #xu4dh4q

let’s remember that textual forms of communication sometimes don’t carry intent very well let alone emotion

I was grateful at that moment b/c I was personally engaged with someone I disagreed on their vision of the world and way to say things.

Perhaps you are being emotional to some random person (I don’t know if it’s a friend of yours) saying Yarn is a monopoly. Maybe is uninformed. Perhaps they doesn’t want to change. It could be their way to cope with their boring life. IDK.

Yeah, it’s frustrating when you do something with love, tender, spare time and it’s rejected or receives bad adjectives. I’ve been there with games.

I could only say, take it from who it comes from.

@prologic@twtxt.net you once told me in #xu4dh4q

let’s remember that textual forms of communication sometimes don’t carry intent very well let alone emotion

I was grateful at that moment b/c I was personally engaged with someone I disagreed on their vision of the world and way to say things.

Perhaps you are being emotional to some random person (I don’t know if it’s a friend of yours) saying Yarn is a monopoly. Maybe is uninformed. Perhaps they doesn’t want to change. It could be their way to cope with their boring life. IDK.

Yeah, it’s frustrating when you do something with love, tender, spare time and it’s rejected or receives bad adjectives. I’ve been there with games.

I could only say, take it from who it comes from. It’s not easy when your head is hot, but a few days later it won’t be a big deal.

@eaplmx@twtxt.net You are right on both counts and yes I did say this and of course I still believe its true 👌 That aside, calling our community and project (what should become a foundation when I have the money, with you guys driving it!) is not right though 🤗