In-reply-to » @bender I taught the whole ecosystem 😁 @prologic @eapl.me The question I was asked the most was: How do I discover people? Someone came up with a fantastic idea, instead of adding the new twt at the end of the feed, do it at the beginning. So you can paginate by cutting the request every few lines.

thanks? 😆

Now I need the non-hacker friends đŸ„Č

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In-reply-to » @bender I taught the whole ecosystem 😁 @prologic @eapl.me The question I was asked the most was: How do I discover people? Someone came up with a fantastic idea, instead of adding the new twt at the end of the feed, do it at the beginning. So you can paginate by cutting the request every few lines.

@eapl.me@eapl.me you wrote, partially:

“I’d like to change that. It’s by nerds/hackers, for nerds/hackers and friends of these.”

I wish you well, and good luck! 😅

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In-reply-to » @bender I taught the whole ecosystem 😁 @prologic @eapl.me The question I was asked the most was: How do I discover people? Someone came up with a fantastic idea, instead of adding the new twt at the end of the feed, do it at the beginning. So you can paginate by cutting the request every few lines.

it seems I don’t know how to do Markdown 😅

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In-reply-to » Twtxt was made for nerds, by nerds. I'd like to change that. It's by nerds/hackers, for nerds/hackers and friends of these. It doesn't have to be hacky all the time, as you don't need to be a nerd to have a blog. But, for that to happen, someone has to build the tools to improve UX.

@eapl.me@eapl.me this “directory” is actually named registry. You can see users at https://registry.twtxt.org/api/plain/users and his twts at https://registry.twtxt.org/api/plain/tweets

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In-reply-to » @bender I taught the whole ecosystem 😁 @prologic @eapl.me The question I was asked the most was: How do I discover people? Someone came up with a fantastic idea, instead of adding the new twt at the end of the feed, do it at the beginning. So you can paginate by cutting the request every few lines.

Twtxt was made for nerds, by nerds.
I’d like to change that. It’s by nerds/hackers, for nerds/hackers and friends of these. It doesn’t have to be hacky all the time, as you don’t need to be a nerd to have a blog.
But, for that to happen, someone has to build the tools to improve UX.

by design there really is no way to easily discovers others
Yeah, I agree, and although there are directories of email addresses, usually you don’t want that, unless you are a ‘public figure’.
I couldn’t say that a microblogging is a “social network” by default, as a blog is not either. At the same time, people would expect to find new people and conversations, as you’d do in a forum.

I think of two features on top of the current spec:

  • Clients showing a few posts of what your following are watching but you don’t, so perhaps you find something interesting to follow next. Or that feature of “Your ‘followings’ are following these accounts/people”. (Hard to explain in english, but I hope you get the idea)
  • Sharing your .txt into some directory, saying “Hey, I have this twtxt URL, I want to be discovered”. I’m thinking of something like the Federated tab on Mastodon.

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In-reply-to » Thank you @python_valencia for letting me show you the secrets of a decentralised plain text social network like twtxt. I hope you enjoyed the talk! â€ïžđŸ Media Media #python #twtxt

thanks andros!

instead of adding the new twt at the end of the feed, do it at the beginning
The PHP client did that originally, although I didn’t see a real benefit if you use
 a client.
It could help if you read the .txt file through a browser or something. Also, not many clients are prepared to cut the request, and you can’t rely on the file being organized that way, so finally we dropped that feature.

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In-reply-to » @bender I taught the whole ecosystem 😁 @prologic @eapl.me The question I was asked the most was: How do I discover people? Someone came up with a fantastic idea, instead of adding the new twt at the end of the feed, do it at the beginning. So you can paginate by cutting the request every few lines.

@bender@twtxt.net I tend to think of Twtxt like Email. It is truely decentralised. So therefore by design there really is no way to easily discovers others except through social interactions and a sort of “word of mouth” of human exchanges of communications.

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In-reply-to » @bender I taught the whole ecosystem 😁 @prologic @eapl.me The question I was asked the most was: How do I discover people? Someone came up with a fantastic idea, instead of adding the new twt at the end of the feed, do it at the beginning. So you can paginate by cutting the request every few lines.

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev and how will that help “discover people”? I am missing something, I am sure, as I don’t understand.

Twtxt was made for nerds, by nerds. So one would script a way to often (and/or ongoing) check your web server logs for new mentions, “follows”, etc.

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In-reply-to » @bender thinked about Gemini protocol. Why corporations shit this name with cryptocurrency and LLMs?

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt why? The Gemini protocol is an obscure, niche, good-for-nothing (yeah, I am trolling) protocol. Search for “Gemini”, and tell me in which page, on your search engine of choice, you see it being referred as a protocol.

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In-reply-to » Thank you @python_valencia for letting me show you the secrets of a decentralised plain text social network like twtxt. I hope you enjoyed the talk! â€ïžđŸ Media Media #python #twtxt

@bender@twtxt.net I taught the whole ecosystem 😁
@prologic@twtxt.net @eapl.me@eapl.me The question I was asked the most was: How do I discover people?
Someone came up with a fantastic idea, instead of adding the new twt at the end of the feed, do it at the beginning. So you can paginate by cutting the request every few lines.

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I’m not much a fan of registry limit/offset paging. I think I prefer the cursor/count method. And starting at zero for first and max for latest.

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In-reply-to » Guilty pleasure, blasphemy, shitty audio, 
 something like that. Seven Nation Army on double bass. đŸ€Ș https://movq.de/v/e3a4dcff2e/sad-nation-army.ogg

So smooth. love it!

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In-reply-to » "Unread messages: -1": Well, classic off by one error. I gotta have to hunt that down.

@xuu it is called “reaffirmation”. It is a lesser known feature that activates randomly to make sure you get the gist on things that matter. 😅

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In-reply-to » Wow, phishing is just around the corner 👀

2 is a great idea, you should suggest it in that blog post.

About 1, well, I think anyone has an email address and only about 5% use a Feed, so it makes sense to offer what most people use đŸ€”

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In-reply-to » I need to figure out a way to back off requests to feeds that don't update often.

if it hasn’t updated in a while so i put the request rate to once a week it will take some time before i see an update if it happens today.

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In-reply-to » Wow, phishing is just around the corner 👀

@eapl.me@eapl.me Interesting! Two points stood right out to me:

  1. Why the hell are e-mail newsletters considered a valid option in the first place? Just offer an Atom feed and be done with it! Especially for a blog of this very type. This doesn’t even involve a third party service. Although, in addition he also links to Feedburner, what the fuck!? No e-mail address or the like is needed and subject to being disclosed.

  2. When these spam mailers want to prevent resubscribing, then for fuck’s sake, why don’t they use a hash of the e-mail address (I saw that in yarnd) for that purpose? Storing the e-mail address in clear text after unsubscribing is illegal in my book.

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In-reply-to » I think I should try self-hosting some Mastodon thingy again.

@prologic@twtxt.net In all seriousness: Don’t worry, I’m not going to host some Fediverse thingy at the moment, probably never will. 😅

But I do use it quite a lot. Although, I don’t really use it as a social network (as in: following people). I follow some tags like #retrocomputing, which fills my timeline with interesting content. If there was a traditional web forum or mailing list or even a usenet group that covered this topic, I’d use that instead. But that’s all (mostly) dead by now. â˜č

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In-reply-to » I need to import my yarn cache. It's sitting at about 1.5G in registry format. That should make things interesting...

@xuu@txt.sour.is Wow, that’s a giant graveyard. In my new database I have 16,428 messages as of now. Archive feed support is not yet available, so it’s just the sum of all the 36 main feeds.

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Here I am, writting this simple text, and there you are, reading it. There is something quasi-magical in the simplicity of this remote and asyncronous communication, how easy it is for someone, somehow, to write a toot that someone, somehow will be able to read. But for me the real magic is in those two keywords and the variety they represent: the someone, the somehow. You can read this, it does not matter where or how I wrote it. And you, the reader, can be anywere in the world, you can be reading this on a desktop computer, or a tablet, a phone, a wristwatch, via e-mail or RSS, on a fediverse client or maybe a twtxt one. It does not matter if you are my neighbor or across the world, rich or poor, no one needs to know your gender, your height, how many cookies you ate today.

All of this, this quasi-magical simplicity, is possile because we use Open Standards. And today I welcome you to join me in celebrating them, and with you a happy #DocumentFreedomDay !

#DFD #DFD2025 #DocumentFreedomDay2025

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In-reply-to » Wait! What's going on?! 🧐

@prologic@twtxt.net Gemini has an answer for you:

This is a conversation thread from a twtxt network, detailing a user’s (movq) frustration with the Mastodon “export data” feature and their consideration of self-hosting a fediverse alternative. Here’s a summary:

  • movq’s initial issue:
    • movq is concerned about the volatility of their data on their current Mastodon instance due to a broken “export data” feature.
    • They contacted the admins, but the issue remains unresolved.
    • This led them to contemplate self-hosting.
  • Alternative fediverse software suggestions:
    • kat suggests gotosocial as a lightweight alternative to Mastodon.
    • movq agrees, and also mentions snac as a potential option.
  • movq’s change of heart:
    • movq ultimately decides that self-hosting any fediverse software, besides twtxt, is too much effort.
  • Resolution and compromise:
    • The Mastodon admins attribute the export failure to the size of movq’s account.
    • movq decides to set their Mastodon account to auto-delete posts after approximately 180 days to manage data size.
    • Movq also mentions that they use auto-expiring links on twtxt to reduce data storage.

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In-reply-to » The Mastodon admins say that it’s probably because of the size of my account (~600 MB), so the export process times out. And I understand that. Here on twtxt, I always use auto-expiring links when I post images or videos. It just gets too much data otherwise. I think I’ll just set my Mastodon account to auto-delete posts after ~180 days or something like that. Nobody cares about old posts anyway.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de 600MiB is nothing. That instance must be running on a reduced power machine and, perhaps, has too many users. Have you considered starting afresh? That’s what I have done (when it comes to the Fediverse), four times! :-D

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In-reply-to » I think I should try self-hosting some Mastodon thingy again.

The Mastodon admins say that it’s probably because of the size of my account (~600 MB), so the export process times out. And I understand that. Here on twtxt, I always use auto-expiring links when I post images or videos. It just gets too much data otherwise. I think I’ll just set my Mastodon account to auto-delete posts after ~180 days or something like that. Nobody cares about old posts anyway.

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In-reply-to » Thinking about adding a little “focus” feature to my window manager: It hides all but one window, no wallpaper, no bars.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org @bender@twtxt.net It already is a tiling window manager, but some windows can’t be tiled in a meaningful way. I admit that I’m mostly thinking about QEMU or Wine here: They run at a fixed size and can’t be tiled, but I still want to put them in “full screen” mode (i.e., hide anything else).

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In-reply-to » I now subscribed to most feeds in my Go tt reimplementation that I already followed with the old Python tt. Previously, I just had a few feeds for testing purposes in my new config. While transfering, I "dropped" heaps of feeds that appeared to be inactive.

I need to import my yarn cache. It’s sitting at about 1.5G in registry format. That should make things interesting


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In-reply-to » I now subscribed to most feeds in my Go tt reimplementation that I already followed with the old Python tt. Previously, I just had a few feeds for testing purposes in my new config. While transfering, I "dropped" heaps of feeds that appeared to be inactive.

neat! my watcher is currently sitting at about 75 MB following over 1500 feeds. only about 200 are currently somewhat active.

-rw-r--r--. 1 xuu  xuu   69M Mar 25 20:46 twt.db
-rw-r--r--. 1 xuu  xuu   32K Mar 25 21:34 twt.db-shm
-rw-r--r--. 1 xuu  xuu  5.6M Mar 25 21:34 twt.db-wal
sqlite> select state, count(*) n from feeds group by 1;
hot|7
warm|8
cold|183
frozen|743
permanantly-dead|857

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In-reply-to » Thanks, @movq!

There are 82.108 read statuses, but only 24.421 messages in the cache. In contrast to the cache with the messages, the read statuses are never cleaned up when a feed was unsubscribed from. And the read statuses also contain old style hashes, before we settled on the what we have today. Still a huge difference. Hmm.

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In-reply-to » I now subscribed to most feeds in my Go tt reimplementation that I already followed with the old Python tt. Previously, I just had a few feeds for testing purposes in my new config. While transfering, I "dropped" heaps of feeds that appeared to be inactive.

Thanks, @movq@www.uninformativ.de!

My backing SQLite database with indices is 8.7 MiB in size right now.

The twtxt cache is 7.6 MiB, it uses Python’s pickle module. And next to it there is a 16.0 MiB second database with all the read statuses for the old tt. Wow, super inefficient, it shouldn’t contain anything else, it’s a giant, pickled {"$hash": {"read": True/False}, 
}. What the heck, why is it so big?! O_o

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In-reply-to » Thinking about adding a little “focus” feature to my window manager: It hides all but one window, no wallpaper, no bars.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de You could also just use a tiling window manager. :-) As a bonus, it doesn’t waste dead space, the window utilizes the entire screen. To also get rid of panels and stuff, put the window in fullscreen mode.

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In-reply-to » I now subscribed to most feeds in my Go tt reimplementation that I already followed with the old Python tt. Previously, I just had a few feeds for testing purposes in my new config. While transfering, I "dropped" heaps of feeds that appeared to be inactive.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org I’m glad to hear that! Yay for more clients. 😊

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In-reply-to » I now subscribed to most feeds in my Go tt reimplementation that I already followed with the old Python tt. Previously, I just had a few feeds for testing purposes in my new config. While transfering, I "dropped" heaps of feeds that appeared to be inactive.

If I didn’t mess this up, 61 feeds reduced down to 36.

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I now subscribed to most feeds in my Go tt reimplementation that I already followed with the old Python tt. Previously, I just had a few feeds for testing purposes in my new config. While transfering, I “dropped” heaps of feeds that appeared to be inactive.

This might motivate me to actually “finish” the new client, so that it could become my daily driver. No need to use the old software stack any longer. Let’s see how bad this goes.

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In-reply-to » Hi! For anyone following the Request for Comments on an improved syntax for replies and threads, I've made a comparative spreadsheet with the 4 proposals so far. It shows a syntax example, and top pros and cons I've found: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KOUqJ2rNl_jZ4KBVTsR-4QmG1zAdKNo7QXJS1uogQVo/edit?gid=0#gid=0

(I didn’t submit a proposal of my own, because it would basically just be a duplicate of another one. 😅)

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I’ve identified several issues with my current (admittedly cheap) upright bass by now. It might be time to upgrade to a better model. đŸ€”

If only those things weren’t so damn expensive. I just checked the prices and simply burst out laughing. 😂

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