In-reply-to » (#22qxisq) @andros Thanks for consolidating a lot of good ideas. Especially how you have deiced to just extend the mention syntax for location-based treads. This might even be backward compatible with older (pre-yarn) clients. What about using Z for UTC +00:00- is that allowed in your specs? Regarding url = I would suggest to only allow one and the maybe add url_old = or url_alt = !? I'm still not a fan of a DM feature, even thou it helps that i have now been split out into a separate feed file. Instead if would suggest a contact = field for where people can put an email or other id/link for an established chat protocol like signal or matrix.

@prologic@twtxt.net @movq@www.uninformativ.de @bender@twtxt.net That would be fantastic! I encourage you to give feedback or give your experience as an issue: https://codeberg.org/Texudus/website/issues
The specification gives the feeling that it is complete, but there is always gap for small adjustments.

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In-reply-to » https://alex.party/posts/2025-05-05-the-future-of-web-development-is-ai-get-on-or-get-left-behind/

And on a similar note, cross-post from Mastodon:

What I love about HTML and HTTP is that it can degrade rather gracefully on old browsers.

My website isn’t spectacular but I don’t think it looks horrible, either. And it’s still usable just fine all the way down to WfW 3.11:

It’s not perfect, but it’s usable. And that makes me happy. Almost 30 years of compatibilty.

The biggest sacrifice is probably that I don’t enforce TLS and that HTTP 1.0 has no Host: header, so no vhosts (or rather, everything must come from the default vhost). (Yes, some old browsers send Host:, even though they predate HTTP 1.1. Netscape does, but not IBM WebExplorer, for example.)

(On the other hand, it might completely suck on modern mobile devices. Dunno, I barely use those. 🤪)

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In-reply-to » one of my servers (the one that hosts yarn!) crashed while i was asleep and i woke up to several discord pings telling me it's down T__T AND my terminal stopped working and i had to install new drivers! i am half asleep!!!!

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org it’s thankfully sorted out now but i literally turned on my PC and was like WTF IS GOING ON

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one of my servers (the one that hosts yarn!) crashed while i was asleep and i woke up to several discord pings telling me it’s down T__T AND my terminal stopped working and i had to install new drivers! i am half asleep!!!!

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In-reply-to » (#22qxisq) @andros Thanks for consolidating a lot of good ideas. Especially how you have deiced to just extend the mention syntax for location-based treads. This might even be backward compatible with older (pre-yarn) clients. What about using Z for UTC +00:00- is that allowed in your specs? Regarding url = I would suggest to only allow one and the maybe add url_old = or url_alt = !? I'm still not a fan of a DM feature, even thou it helps that i have now been split out into a separate feed file. Instead if would suggest a contact = field for where people can put an email or other id/link for an established chat protocol like signal or matrix.

Well because I can and want to see what will happen :)

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In-reply-to » (#22qxisq) @andros Thanks for consolidating a lot of good ideas. Especially how you have deiced to just extend the mention syntax for location-based treads. This might even be backward compatible with older (pre-yarn) clients. What about using Z for UTC +00:00- is that allowed in your specs? Regarding url = I would suggest to only allow one and the maybe add url_old = or url_alt = !? I'm still not a fan of a DM feature, even thou it helps that i have now been split out into a separate feed file. Instead if would suggest a contact = field for where people can put an email or other id/link for an established chat protocol like signal or matrix.

@bender@twtxt.net I think this would be a good idea as @movq@www.uninformativ.de and @andros@twtxt.andros.dev have done ✅ I may even join the experiments if I have any spare time to hack a custom yrand branch and run it up on say something like a yarnexp.mills.io or something 🤔

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In-reply-to » (#yvpi2xa) @bender My point was that the suggested syntax for extending mentions to point to a specific message (@<nick url timestamp>) and having location based treading this way, might not break older clients, since they might just igonore the last value within the brackets.

@sorenpeter@darch.dk Unfortunately it does break all clients, because the original spec stated:

Mentions are embedded within the text in either @ or @ format

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In-reply-to » (#22qxisq) @andros Thanks for consolidating a lot of good ideas. Especially how you have deiced to just extend the mention syntax for location-based treads. This might even be backward compatible with older (pre-yarn) clients. What about using Z for UTC +00:00- is that allowed in your specs? Regarding url = I would suggest to only allow one and the maybe add url_old = or url_alt = !? I'm still not a fan of a DM feature, even thou it helps that i have now been split out into a separate feed file. Instead if would suggest a contact = field for where people can put an email or other id/link for an established chat protocol like signal or matrix.

In other words, why didn’t you all do the same that @movq@www.uninformativ.de did, and setup a completely different feed for this?

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In-reply-to » (#22qxisq) @andros Thanks for consolidating a lot of good ideas. Especially how you have deiced to just extend the mention syntax for location-based treads. This might even be backward compatible with older (pre-yarn) clients. What about using Z for UTC +00:00- is that allowed in your specs? Regarding url = I would suggest to only allow one and the maybe add url_old = or url_alt = !? I'm still not a fan of a DM feature, even thou it helps that i have now been split out into a separate feed file. Instead if would suggest a contact = field for where people can put an email or other id/link for an established chat protocol like signal or matrix.

Why are we testing, or playing with, an alternate non-fully-compatible feed format within the same feed that we use daily?

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In-reply-to » (#22qxisq) @andros Thanks for consolidating a lot of good ideas. Especially how you have deiced to just extend the mention syntax for location-based treads. This might even be backward compatible with older (pre-yarn) clients. What about using Z for UTC +00:00- is that allowed in your specs? Regarding url = I would suggest to only allow one and the maybe add url_old = or url_alt = !? I'm still not a fan of a DM feature, even thou it helps that i have now been split out into a separate feed file. Instead if would suggest a contact = field for where people can put an email or other id/link for an established chat protocol like signal or matrix.

But Yarn does not like it: https://twtxt.net/twt/yoatzwa

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In-reply-to » (#22qxisq) @andros Thanks for consolidating a lot of good ideas. Especially how you have deiced to just extend the mention syntax for location-based treads. This might even be backward compatible with older (pre-yarn) clients. What about using Z for UTC +00:00- is that allowed in your specs? Regarding url = I would suggest to only allow one and the maybe add url_old = or url_alt = !? I'm still not a fan of a DM feature, even thou it helps that i have now been split out into a separate feed file. Instead if would suggest a contact = field for where people can put an email or other id/link for an established chat protocol like signal or matrix.

Yes it seem to work(ish) on timeline at least: https://darch.dk/timeline/post/imopblq

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In-reply-to » (#22qxisq) @andros Thanks for consolidating a lot of good ideas. Especially how you have deiced to just extend the mention syntax for location-based treads. This might even be backward compatible with older (pre-yarn) clients. What about using Z for UTC +00:00- is that allowed in your specs? Regarding url = I would suggest to only allow one and the maybe add url_old = or url_alt = !? I'm still not a fan of a DM feature, even thou it helps that i have now been split out into a separate feed file. Instead if would suggest a contact = field for where people can put an email or other id/link for an established chat protocol like signal or matrix.

@bender@twtxt.net My point was that the suggested syntax for extending mentions to point to a specific message (@<nick url timestamp>) and having location based treading this way, might not break older clients, since they might just igonore the last value within the brackets.

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In-reply-to » Nobody want to be a shitty programmer. The question is: Do you do anything not to not be one? Reading blogs or social media and watching YouTube videos is fun. After them, your code may be a little better, of course. But you need a lot. You need to study! Read good books and study the code of other programmers, for example. Maybe work with a new language, architectures and paradigms. You need break the routine.

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev@andros@twtxt.andros.dev i know MVC but i don’t know model view view model what does this mean…. i am learning PHP (and a tiny bit of perl scripting) as a mainly ruby girl so mayhaps i am improving but my focus is SERVERS

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In-reply-to » So, Monday, we meet again. I mean, it is not a complain per se. I am glad to meet Monday! I am just not-so-glad to meet the working-from-office Monday. But, so it is.

@prologic@twtxt.net hahahahaha! Don’t you go watering that seed, mate 😅. I mean, we all dream about it, ain’t that right?

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So, Monday, we meet again. I mean, it is not a complain per se. I am glad to meet Monday! I am just not-so-glad to meet the working-from-office Monday. But, so it is.

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In-reply-to » I've just released version 1.0 of twtxt.el (the Emacs client), the stable and final version with the current extensions. I'll let the community maintain it, if there are interested in using it. I will also be open to fix small bugs. I don't know if this twt is a goodbye or a see you later. Maybe I will never come back, or maybe I will post a new twt this afternoon. But it's always important to be grateful. Thanks to @prologic @movq @eapl.me @bender @aelaraji @arne @david @lyse @doesnm @xuu @sorenpeter for everything you have taught me. I've learned a lot about #twtxt, HTTP and working in community. It has been a fantastic adventure! What will become of me? I have created a twtxt fork called Texudus (https://texudus.readthedocs.io/). I want to continue learning on my own without the legacy limitations or technologies that implement twtxt. It's not a replacement for any technology, it's just my own little lab. I have also made a fork of my own client and will be focusing on it for a while. I don't expect anyone to use it, but feedback is always welcome. Best regards to everyone. #twtxt #emacs #twtxt-el #texudus

@ About the URL, since it no longer used for hashing there might be no need to change it. I agree that we keep all the parts that already are out there for the most parts. Instead of a contact field you could also just use links like: link = Email mailto:user@example.dk or link = Signal https://signal.me/sthF4raI5Lg_ybpJwB1sOptDla4oU7p[...]

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In-reply-to » (#22qxisq) @andros Thanks for consolidating a lot of good ideas. Especially how you have deiced to just extend the mention syntax for location-based treads. This might even be backward compatible with older (pre-yarn) clients. What about using Z for UTC +00:00- is that allowed in your specs? Regarding url = I would suggest to only allow one and the maybe add url_old = or url_alt = !? I'm still not a fan of a DM feature, even thou it helps that i have now been split out into a separate feed file. Instead if would suggest a contact = field for where people can put an email or other id/link for an established chat protocol like signal or matrix.

@sorenpeter@darch.dk you wrote:

“This might even be backward compatible with older (pre-yarn) clients.”

Yarnd is as backwards compatible with older clients as this. I dare to say, even more so. 😅

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In-reply-to » I've just released version 1.0 of twtxt.el (the Emacs client), the stable and final version with the current extensions. I'll let the community maintain it, if there are interested in using it. I will also be open to fix small bugs. I don't know if this twt is a goodbye or a see you later. Maybe I will never come back, or maybe I will post a new twt this afternoon. But it's always important to be grateful. Thanks to @prologic @movq @eapl.me @bender @aelaraji @arne @david @lyse @doesnm @xuu @sorenpeter for everything you have taught me. I've learned a lot about #twtxt, HTTP and working in community. It has been a fantastic adventure! What will become of me? I have created a twtxt fork called Texudus (https://texudus.readthedocs.io/). I want to continue learning on my own without the legacy limitations or technologies that implement twtxt. It's not a replacement for any technology, it's just my own little lab. I have also made a fork of my own client and will be focusing on it for a while. I don't expect anyone to use it, but feedback is always welcome. Best regards to everyone. #twtxt #emacs #twtxt-el #texudus

@sorenpeter@darch.dk Yes, there are interesting things that can be incorporated to see how they work.
The issue of allowing the use of Z for UTC is interesting. I think I should add a brief explanation.
The url issue is for a debate :D . Maybe an issue could be opened. My opinion is that it is necessary to leave it as it is right now because otherwise the thread system, or replies, may have problems (404s). It’s all a matter of discussion.
I like your idea of contact. I will add it.
Thanks to you for your feedback!!!

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In-reply-to » I've just released version 1.0 of twtxt.el (the Emacs client), the stable and final version with the current extensions. I'll let the community maintain it, if there are interested in using it. I will also be open to fix small bugs. I don't know if this twt is a goodbye or a see you later. Maybe I will never come back, or maybe I will post a new twt this afternoon. But it's always important to be grateful. Thanks to @prologic @movq @eapl.me @bender @aelaraji @arne @david @lyse @doesnm @xuu @sorenpeter for everything you have taught me. I've learned a lot about #twtxt, HTTP and working in community. It has been a fantastic adventure! What will become of me? I have created a twtxt fork called Texudus (https://texudus.readthedocs.io/). I want to continue learning on my own without the legacy limitations or technologies that implement twtxt. It's not a replacement for any technology, it's just my own little lab. I have also made a fork of my own client and will be focusing on it for a while. I don't expect anyone to use it, but feedback is always welcome. Best regards to everyone. #twtxt #emacs #twtxt-el #texudus

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev Thanks for consolidating a lot of good ideas. Especially how you have deiced to just extend the mention syntax for location-based treads. This might even be backward compatible with older (pre-yarn) clients.
What about using Z for UTC +00:00- is that allowed in your specs?
Regarding url = I would suggest to only allow one and the maybe add url_old = or url_alt = !?
I’m still not a fan of a DM feature, even thou it helps that i have now been split out into a separate feed file. Instead if would suggest a contact = field for where people can put an email or other id/link for an established chat protocol like signal or matrix.

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In-reply-to » Nobody want to be a shitty programmer. The question is: Do you do anything not to not be one? Reading blogs or social media and watching YouTube videos is fun. After them, your code may be a little better, of course. But you need a lot. You need to study! Read good books and study the code of other programmers, for example. Maybe work with a new language, architectures and paradigms. You need break the routine.

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev Yup! 👌

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In-reply-to » Nobody want to be a shitty programmer. The question is: Do you do anything not to not be one? Reading blogs or social media and watching YouTube videos is fun. After them, your code may be a little better, of course. But you need a lot. You need to study! Read good books and study the code of other programmers, for example. Maybe work with a new language, architectures and paradigms. You need break the routine.

@prologic@twtxt.net Absolutely! It is essential to practice and deepen every art 😄

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In-reply-to » Going to try and few up a few more UX bugs today with yarnd.

Hopefully I haven’t missed or messed anything upu 😅

* 101f3eb0 - (HEAD -> main) Fix a bunch of UX to do with following/unfollowing, bookmarking and unbookmarking (3 seconds ago) <James Mills>

Testing UI/UX is hard™ 😉

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In-reply-to » Going to try and few up a few more UX bugs today with yarnd.

On a public holiday here (Labor Day, ironic really considering the labor party here in Australia has won their 2nd term this election haha 🤣)

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In-reply-to » How do you stop a dog from barking? 🧐

@kat@yarn.girlonthemoon.xyz No no, it’s just barks at the slightest thing going on around the neighborhod 😃 like it just goes a bit nuts often 🤣 it was a rescue dog, two years old, and it wasn’t treated very well, a street dog. I think it’s just basically afraid of every human in the world 😢

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In-reply-to » Nobody want to be a shitty programmer. The question is: Do you do anything not to not be one? Reading blogs or social media and watching YouTube videos is fun. After them, your code may be a little better, of course. But you need a lot. You need to study! Read good books and study the code of other programmers, for example. Maybe work with a new language, architectures and paradigms. You need break the routine.

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev Programming is art. You become good at art by practising your art. You learn artistic patterns by being inspired by and reading others art works. The most importance however is that you practise your art.

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In-reply-to » Nobody want to be a shitty programmer. The question is: Do you do anything not to not be one? Reading blogs or social media and watching YouTube videos is fun. After them, your code may be a little better, of course. But you need a lot. You need to study! Read good books and study the code of other programmers, for example. Maybe work with a new language, architectures and paradigms. You need break the routine.

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev

You need break the routine.

I haven’t really done that lately. 🤔 Maybe have another go at Rust (given its increasing importance in the Linux kernel)? Or Elixir, yes, I only had some very, very brief contact with it. 🤔

I just came across an old forum posting of mine about Prolog. That brought up some memories. Prolog is pretty alien, but I do miss stuff like that because it’s so different.

Just thinking out loud here. 😅

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Passei boa parte da tarde a tentar montar um servidor doméstico do #Luanti (ex-Minetest) e bato sempre em connection timeouts, mesmo dentro da rede local.

Não compreendo mesmo o que se passa, consigo ligar sem problema entre as máquinas (cliente/server), mas na hora de ligar com o jogo ao servidor, timeout. Experimentei pôr outro pc a fazer de server, mesmo resultado.

Aquela frustração de ter de desistir, especialmente num domingo. Ugh.

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In-reply-to » I've just released version 1.0 of twtxt.el (the Emacs client), the stable and final version with the current extensions. I'll let the community maintain it, if there are interested in using it. I will also be open to fix small bugs. I don't know if this twt is a goodbye or a see you later. Maybe I will never come back, or maybe I will post a new twt this afternoon. But it's always important to be grateful. Thanks to @prologic @movq @eapl.me @bender @aelaraji @arne @david @lyse @doesnm @xuu @sorenpeter for everything you have taught me. I've learned a lot about #twtxt, HTTP and working in community. It has been a fantastic adventure! What will become of me? I have created a twtxt fork called Texudus (https://texudus.readthedocs.io/). I want to continue learning on my own without the legacy limitations or technologies that implement twtxt. It's not a replacement for any technology, it's just my own little lab. I have also made a fork of my own client and will be focusing on it for a while. I don't expect anyone to use it, but feedback is always welcome. Best regards to everyone. #twtxt #emacs #twtxt-el #texudus

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev @eapl.me@eapl.me Still lots of bugs in my client. 🥴 I’ll try to fix it next week.

And yes, using the same timestamp twice will very likely break threads.

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In-reply-to » I've just released version 1.0 of twtxt.el (the Emacs client), the stable and final version with the current extensions. I'll let the community maintain it, if there are interested in using it. I will also be open to fix small bugs. I don't know if this twt is a goodbye or a see you later. Maybe I will never come back, or maybe I will post a new twt this afternoon. But it's always important to be grateful. Thanks to @prologic @movq @eapl.me @bender @aelaraji @arne @david @lyse @doesnm @xuu @sorenpeter for everything you have taught me. I've learned a lot about #twtxt, HTTP and working in community. It has been a fantastic adventure! What will become of me? I have created a twtxt fork called Texudus (https://texudus.readthedocs.io/). I want to continue learning on my own without the legacy limitations or technologies that implement twtxt. It's not a replacement for any technology, it's just my own little lab. I have also made a fork of my own client and will be focusing on it for a while. I don't expect anyone to use it, but feedback is always welcome. Best regards to everyone. #twtxt #emacs #twtxt-el #texudus

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Really? 😅 Thank you!

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Nobody want to be a shitty programmer. The question is: Do you do anything not to not be one?
Reading blogs or social media and watching YouTube videos is fun. After them, your code may be a little better, of course. But you need a lot. You need to study! Read good books and study the code of other programmers, for example. Maybe work with a new language, architectures and paradigms. You need break the routine.

If you know Object-oriented programming, you learn functional programming.
If you know Model-View-Controller, you learn Model-View-ViewModel.
If you don’t know anything about architectures, you learn Clean Architecture, Hexagonal Architecture, etc.
If you know Python, you learn Ruby or Go.
If you know Clojure or Lisp… you don’t need to learn anything else. You are already a good programmer. Just kidding. You can learn Elixir or Scala.

Be a good programmer my friend.

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In-reply-to » I've just released version 1.0 of twtxt.el (the Emacs client), the stable and final version with the current extensions. I'll let the community maintain it, if there are interested in using it. I will also be open to fix small bugs. I don't know if this twt is a goodbye or a see you later. Maybe I will never come back, or maybe I will post a new twt this afternoon. But it's always important to be grateful. Thanks to @prologic @movq @eapl.me @bender @aelaraji @arne @david @lyse @doesnm @xuu @sorenpeter for everything you have taught me. I've learned a lot about #twtxt, HTTP and working in community. It has been a fantastic adventure! What will become of me? I have created a twtxt fork called Texudus (https://texudus.readthedocs.io/). I want to continue learning on my own without the legacy limitations or technologies that implement twtxt. It's not a replacement for any technology, it's just my own little lab. I have also made a fork of my own client and will be focusing on it for a while. I don't expect anyone to use it, but feedback is always welcome. Best regards to everyone. #twtxt #emacs #twtxt-el #texudus

@andros@twtxt.andros.dev Alright. 👍 Btw, your feed uses spaces instead of tabs. 😅

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In-reply-to » I've just released version 1.0 of twtxt.el (the Emacs client), the stable and final version with the current extensions. I'll let the community maintain it, if there are interested in using it. I will also be open to fix small bugs. I don't know if this twt is a goodbye or a see you later. Maybe I will never come back, or maybe I will post a new twt this afternoon. But it's always important to be grateful. Thanks to @prologic @movq @eapl.me @bender @aelaraji @arne @david @lyse @doesnm @xuu @sorenpeter for everything you have taught me. I've learned a lot about #twtxt, HTTP and working in community. It has been a fantastic adventure! What will become of me? I have created a twtxt fork called Texudus (https://texudus.readthedocs.io/). I want to continue learning on my own without the legacy limitations or technologies that implement twtxt. It's not a replacement for any technology, it's just my own little lab. I have also made a fork of my own client and will be focusing on it for a while. I don't expect anyone to use it, but feedback is always welcome. Best regards to everyone. #twtxt #emacs #twtxt-el #texudus

@movq@www.uninformativ.de ok, I have included a small modification in the documentation to allow you to reply in your own thread: https://texudus.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
You can see my reply: https://andros.dev/texudus.txt
Don’t delete anything and give me time to make my modifications to the client.

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In-reply-to » (#lqutlya) @kat I've almost fixed this btw 🤗 Just testing it thoroughly and polihsing the code. In case you're curious, I do this style of development called "Observability Driven Development" (ODD) whereby I make observations of the system via metrics and internal observations and adjust the system's overall behavior to the desired outcome 😅

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org You are of course right! 🤣 There are some low level components that can and should be unit tested for sure! 👌

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In-reply-to » (#lqutlya) @kat I've almost fixed this btw 🤗 Just testing it thoroughly and polihsing the code. In case you're curious, I do this style of development called "Observability Driven Development" (ODD) whereby I make observations of the system via metrics and internal observations and adjust the system's overall behavior to the desired outcome 😅

@prologic@twtxt.net To clarify, from my observations on how the system behaves, it feels like that. This doesn’t make it any better, I know. Sorry mate! I never claimed that testing is always easy, but in my experience it sure does help cutting down regressions. But to each their own, no worries. The diagram is all Greek to me. Anyway.

@bender@twtxt.net True.

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slowing working away at my latest code project: learning PHP by recreating the 2000s fandom mainstay known as a fanlisting! it’s been super fun i added a dynamic nav bar and other modifications in the latest commit

fanlistings even to this day rely on old PHP scripts dating back to the early 2000s that need whole ass mySQL or postgres DBs and are incredibly insecure. you can look at them here they’re like super jank lol it’s sad that new fanlistings have to use them because there’s no other options….

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