In-reply-to » Righto, @eapl.me, ta for the writeup. Here we go. :-)

@eapl.me@eapl.me here are my replies (somewhat similar to Lyse’s and James’)

  1. Metadata in twts: Key=value is too complicated for non-hackers and hard to write by hand. So if there is a need then we should just use #NSFS or the alt-text file in markdown image syntax ![NSFW](url.to/image.jpg) if something is NSFW

  2. IDs besides datetime. When you edit a twt then you should preserve the datetime if location-based addressing should have any advantages over content-based addressing. If you change the timestamp the its a new post. Just like any other blog cms.

  3. Caching, Yes all good ideas, but that is more a task for the clients not the serving of the twtxt.txt files.

  4. Discovery: User-agent for discovery can become better. I’m working on a wrapper script in PHP, so you don’t need to go to Apaches log-files to see who fetches your feed. But for other Gemini and gopher you need to relay on something else. That could be using my webmentions for twtxt suggestion, or simply defining an email metadata field for letting a person know you follow their feed. Interesting read about why WebMetions might be a bad idea. Twtxt being much simple that a full featured IndieWeb sites, then a lot of the concerns does not apply here. But that’s the issue with any open inbox. This is hard to solve without some form of (centralized or community) spam moderation.

  5. Support more protocols besides http/s. Yes why not, if we can make clients that merge or diffident between the same feed server by multiples URLs

  6. Languages: If the need is big then make a separate feed. I don’t mind seeing stuff in other langues as it is low. You got translating tool if you need to know whats going on. And again when there is a need for easier switching between posting to several feeds, then it’s about building clients with a UI that makes it easy. No something that should takes up space in the format/protocol.

  7. Emojis: I’m not sure what this is about. Do you want to use emojis as avatar in CLI clients or it just about rendering emojis?

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In-reply-to » Righto, @eapl.me, ta for the writeup. Here we go. :-)

@eapl.me@eapl.me Regarding supporting languages:

That said, coming from platforms like X and Masto, where switching languages is easy, I naturally read content and write into my timeline in at least three languages. Changing my “account” is not a simple as switching languages, and in those platforms have another meaning (“I’m a different person”). Supporting that would be beneficial for some, though I’m not sure how many would use it.

I think this is more of a client concern in my opinion. Like @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org said earlier though, sometimes he and @movq@www.uninformativ.de “Twt” in German. I don’t (nor anyone else I’m aware of) have a problem with this. It seems to be that a “client” could detect this and deal with this appropriately or give a user appropriately controls.

For me (_personally__ I’ve never found it a problem. I use extensions like “Simple Translate” anyway, so it doesn’t matter a great deal to me.

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In-reply-to » Righto, @eapl.me, ta for the writeup. Here we go. :-)

@eapl.me@eapl.me Just responding to some of your specific ideations here:

Sure! From my research, Gemini (and likely Gopher as well) don’t have a similar header, so if a client is using those protocols, they won’t be able to inform your server.

So, it’s worth considering, would twtxt 2.0 only support HTTP/S?

I’m not sure how to standardize “Discovery” across different protocols for serving feeds, HTTP, Gopher, Gemini, etc. beyond what you initially suggested. But here’s the thing, the User-Agent HTTP Header isn’t the only aspect to “discovery”. Discovery in practise is more of an organic property of @-mentions across feeds in the first place, something that crawlers take advantage of.

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In-reply-to » Jack Dorsey's Block Scraps 'Web5' Project Block will abandon development of its Web5 decentralized internet project and reduce investment in music streaming service Tidal to focus on bitcoin mining hardware and self-custody wallets, the payments company announced in its third-quarter letter to shareholders. The Jack Dorsey-led firm cited strong market demand for its bitcoin mining products and Bitkey wallet as key drivers behind the st ... ⌘ Read more

@slashdot@feeds.twtxt.net Oh come one?! Web5?! Since when was this even thing?! 😱 🤦‍♂️ I could grample with Web 1.0, Web 2.0 and even Web 3.0 (to a container degre), but Web 4.0 and Web 5.0 ?! Come on?! 😱 Get the fuck out! (GTFO) 😠

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Jack Dorsey’s Block Scraps ‘Web5’ Project
Block will abandon development of its Web5 decentralized internet project and reduce investment in music streaming service Tidal to focus on bitcoin mining hardware and self-custody wallets, the payments company announced in its third-quarter letter to shareholders. The Jack Dorsey-led firm cited strong market demand for its bitcoin mining products and Bitkey wallet as key drivers behind the st … ⌘ Read more

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In-reply-to » Hey @eapl.me, your feed is broken. All U+2028 got transformed into newlines.

Damn, it’s certainly broken. Thank you for letting me know! I’m editing my .txt file by hand, and it seems WinSCP editor doesn’t support that character and replaced them all =/

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I built another small shelf for the drill press. I upcycled the wooden sticks from New Year rockets that littered the neighborhood. I really love the rustic look of it: https://lyse.isobeef.org/tmp/tischbohrmaschinenregal/

Shelf sitting on the drill press table before installing it between the posts of the stand
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Shelf sitting on the drill press table before installing it between the posts of the stand

When I glued the shelf between the posts of the stand, I tightened the long clamp too hard, ripping the back panel and shelf board apart. So, I had to reglue them. :-)

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In-reply-to » I've been thinking of a few improvements for the next generation of twtxt spec, let me know if these are useful or interesting :) https://text.eapl.mx/a-few-ideas-for-a-next-twtxt-version

Righto, @eapl.me@eapl.me, ta for the writeup. Here we go. :-)

Metadata on individual twts are too much for me. I do like the simplicity of the current spec. But I understand where you’re coming from.

Numbering twts in a feed is basically the attempt of generating message IDs. It’s an interesting idea, but I reckon it is not even needed. I’d simply use location based addressing (feed URL + ‘#’ + timestamp) instead of content addressing. If one really wanted to, one could hash the feed URL and timestamp, but the raw form would actually improve disoverability and would not even require a richer client. But the majority of twtxt users in the last poll wanted to stick with content addressing.

yarnd actually sends If-Modified-Since request headers. Not only can I observe heaps of 304 responses for yarnds in my access log, but in Cache.FetchFeeds(…) we can actually see If-Modified-Since being deployed when the feed has been retrieved with a Last-Modified response header before: https://git.mills.io/yarnsocial/yarn/src/commit/98eee5124ae425deb825fb5f8788a0773ec5bdd0/internal/cache.go#L1278

Turns out etags with If-None-Match are only supported when yarnd serves avatars (https://git.mills.io/yarnsocial/yarn/src/commit/98eee5124ae425deb825fb5f8788a0773ec5bdd0/internal/handlers.go#L158) and media uploads (https://git.mills.io/yarnsocial/yarn/src/commit/98eee5124ae425deb825fb5f8788a0773ec5bdd0/internal/media_handlers.go#L71). However, it ignores possible etags when fetching feeds.

I don’t understand how the discovery URLs should work to replace the User-Agent header in HTTP(S) requests. Do you mind to elaborate?

Different protocols are basically just a client thing.

I reckon it’s best to just avoid mixing several languages in one feed in the first place. Personally, I find it okay to occasionally write messages in other languages, but if that happens on a more regularly basis, I’d definitely create a different feed for other languages.

Isn’t the emoji thing “just” a client feature? So, feed do not even have to state any emojis. As a user I’d configure my client to use a certain symbol for feed ABC. Currently, I can do a similar thing in tt where I assign colors to feeds. On the other hand, what if a user wants to control what symbol should be displayed, similar to the feed’s nick? Hmm. But still, my terminal font doesn’t even render most of emojis. So, Unicode boxes everywhere. This makes me think it should actually be a only client feature.

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In-reply-to » I have lots of things to do at home. All I need is more energy.

@wbknl@twtxt.net you and I. There is a backyard waiting for me to mow (most likely will tackle it tomorrow), and a front yard that yearns the touch of the mower as well (that one will have to wait a bit longer).

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In-reply-to » FYI 👋 I will be deleting the following inactive users from my pod (twtxt.net) soon™:

@prologic@twtxt.net Yeah, the principle of data economy. :-)

Btw. if you blindly run the command again in a few days, your query might match new feeds that are not included in today’s list. Hence, some accounts might be dropped without a warning. But then, they probably don’t care.

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In-reply-to » I've been thinking of a few improvements for the next generation of twtxt spec, let me know if these are useful or interesting :) https://text.eapl.mx/a-few-ideas-for-a-next-twtxt-version

Hehe, thank you guys, I’m still alive :)

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In-reply-to » @wbknl How do you mean? How do you think that would even work? 🤔

@wbknl@twtxt.net CW was all I did during my military “tour”. I learned Morse code when I was 5 years old, and used it during my youth, and early adulthood. Went to competences, and won, and all! :-)

My father was a professional radio-telegraphist for many years, until his retirement at 67 years old.

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In-reply-to » The german government fell apart yesterday and now we’re probably going to have new elections within the next 4-5 months.

(I don’t think this is related to or caused by the US stuff. It’s weird timing, though.)

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The german government fell apart yesterday and now we’re probably going to have new elections within the next 4-5 months.

It’s too early to tell, but it’s not looking good. We don’t have an orange clown (yet), but the country is deeply divided. Right and far-right parties are on the rise.

😐

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FYI 👋 I will be deleting the following inactive users from my pod (twtxt.net) soon™:

$ ./tools/inactive_users.sh 730

@thgie@twtxt.net last seen 732 days ago
@will@twtxt.net last seen 740 days ago
@shaneflores@twtxt.net last seen 752 days ago
@magnus@twtxt.net last seen 757 days ago
@nickmellor@twtxt.net last seen 757 days ago
@birb@twtxt.net last seen 763 days ago
@screem@twtxt.net last seen 772 days ago
@servusdei@twtxt.net last seen 774 days ago
@alex@twtxt.net last seen 790 days ago
@andreottica@twtxt.net last seen 801 days ago
@fox@twtxt.net last seen 822 days ago
@anx@twtxt.net last seen 829 days ago
@olav@olav.bonn.cafe last seen 855 days ago
@caesar@twtxt.net last seen 866 days ago
@jim@twtxt.net last seen 869 days ago
@rell@twtxt.net last seen 882 days ago
@readfog@twtxt.net last seen 886 days ago

If anyone on this lists sees this post and wishes to preserve their feed/account for some reason (beyonds backups I maintain), please login at least once over the next coming weeks to get off this list. I will re-run this tool again, and then nuke blindly anything that matches >730 days of inactivity.

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In-reply-to » One of my quirks—don’t ask me why—is collecting backpacks, bags, patches, and watches, especially those related to aviation and the military. Just yesterday, I added a Direct Action Messenger bag and a 5.11 backpack to my collection.

@bender@twtxt.net Not too big. Its 13.7 x 10 x 5.

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In-reply-to » One of my quirks—don’t ask me why—is collecting backpacks, bags, patches, and watches, especially those related to aviation and the military. Just yesterday, I added a Direct Action Messenger bag and a 5.11 backpack to my collection.

@wbknl@twtxt.net that Messenger bag is a big one, isn’t it?

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One of my quirks—don’t ask me why—is collecting backpacks, bags, patches, and watches, especially those related to aviation and the military. Just yesterday, I added a Direct Action Messenger bag and a 5.11 backpack to my collection.

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