In-reply-to » Oh boy... Eugene Rochko's status. And what a flashy name, "Social Web Foundation". See the "industry support" header on that page. Don't like it one bit.

I share that opinion, but sadly advertisers were completely spoiled, over the years of social media companies bowing down to them. Even if unethical ways of targeting ads were banned, I assume the websites would get paid less.

Now when the pockets of many investors also dried up and they won’t just infinitely pump billions of dollars into an empty promise of mysterious grand future returns (unless AI is involved), sites would have no options, other than squeeze that cash, out of their users.

I know community donations exist, but they’re a model unsustainable for bigger sites and less dedicated communities - furthermore the more sites start begging for donations, the less money there will be to split among them.

The only option that remains, is paid subscriptions and microtransactions, that are already way out of hand, on many sites and I can’t even imagine how hard those would be pushed, if their finances got worse.

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In-reply-to » @doesnm What do you think of when you say "decentralized"?

@xuu@txt.sour.is I guess the way SimpleX does its routing is quote clever and ingineious really. – However we never designed Salty.im that way. That wasn’t an attack vector we were really concerned with right? I’ve been using SimpleX with you for the last day or so now and reading up on it, and whilst there are some overlapping and similar ideas I feel that SimpleX has slightly different design goals right?

I mean Salty.im is more designed to be self-hosted, with good crypto but we never tried to set out to build a complex multi-broker, relay network-type protocol right? Do we need to? Probably not I think. Hmmm 🧐

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In-reply-to » @doesnm Agree. salty.im should allow the user to post multiple brokers on their webfinger so the client can find a working path.

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt I mean generally speaking you would cache things for a period of time right? There are other things you could do as well to build a better more resilient system. These are good conversations to have, however we, and by we I mean mostly @xuu and I really, haven’t had a lot of time to spend/invest in Salty.im of late 😭

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt Are you interested in helping continue it’s development with us? Do you have any experience with cryptography and/or programming language like Go?

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In-reply-to » Oh boy... Eugene Rochko's status. And what a flashy name, "Social Web Foundation". See the "industry support" header on that page. Don't like it one bit.

So… Yes all this is sorta/kinda true, remember I used to work there once (great place to work, awful company). It isn’t by design or on-purpose I don’t think, at least not from the perspective I had back then.

What really needs to happen here in general, and I’ve said it before; is this:

Profiting off of user-generated data and metadata should be made illegal.

Social Media (systems) don’t need to be regulated beyond not allowing minors to access social media. But if you enact the changes to laws (see above) such that profiting off of userdata is made illegal, then you minors can be potentially “safe” from predators. Let’s be honest, predators are the “big tech” companies that make this shit™ highly addictive to the point where it “rots your brain”.

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In-reply-to » Oh boy... Eugene Rochko's status. And what a flashy name, "Social Web Foundation". See the "industry support" header on that page. Don't like it one bit.

I would recommend watching at least the very end of this video, as it explains, how Meta funds “independent advocacy groups”, to fight government regulation, disguised as some social good, open-source, equality, freedom, whatever…

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In-reply-to » @doesnm What do you think of when you say "decentralized"?

@prologic@twtxt.net currently? it wouldnt :D.

we would need to come up with a way of registering with multiple brokers that can i guess forward to a reader broker. something that will retry if needed. need to read into how simplex handles multi brokers

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In-reply-to » @doesnm What do you think of when you say "decentralized"?

In nostr/simplex you did not bounded account to server because its just a relay. In matrix, xmpp and salty.im you store account data on broker and when broker is down you will no longer to communicate

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In-reply-to » Oh boy... Eugene Rochko's status. And what a flashy name, "Social Web Foundation". See the "industry support" header on that page. Don't like it one bit.

It comes across as the beginning of a “corporate sell out”. Also, links to X, and Threads, but the Fediverse link doesn’t work. Really? Overall, it doesn’t seem right (at least to me). Oh, also Meta on that list: https://socialwebfoundation.org/2024/09/24/launch/. Nope. Pass.

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In-reply-to » Yeah.. it is very similar to salty.im a smp is a relay queue for messages. You can self host one if you choose. They also have something called xftp for data storage and device state transfer. You can also self host one.

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt salty.im needs a lot more work 🤞it is however designed to be 1000% decentralized 👌

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In-reply-to » Yeah.. it is very similar to salty.im a smp is a relay queue for messages. You can self host one if you choose. They also have something called xftp for data storage and device state transfer. You can also self host one.

I think salty.im is simplest than simplex. But attempt to implement this i have problems than salty cli cant decrypt messages from another saltpack realization (and reverse) . Also simplex is more decentralized (like nostr?)

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In-reply-to » (#eqgicaq) @3r1c I think I’m gonna like that blog. 😅 https://unixdigest.com/articles/is-the-madness-ever-going-to-end.html

I am reminded of this when I look at entire forks of vscode just to add a LLM code completion assistant.

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In-reply-to » Awesome, "unable to open database file: out of memory (14)" actually means that the SQLite file cannot be created, because the parent directory does not exist. Bonus points for Open(…) being successful and only executing the first command giving me that error. Meh.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de No, that’s just a general SQLite thing: https://gitlab.com/cznic/sqlite/-/issues/102 But, mkdir -p $dir and just retrying the command works.

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In-reply-to » Awesome, "unable to open database file: out of memory (14)" actually means that the SQLite file cannot be created, because the parent directory does not exist. Bonus points for Open(…) being successful and only executing the first command giving me that error. Meh.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Did someone call perror() after something that does not change errno? 🥴

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Awesome, “unable to open database file: out of memory (14)” actually means that the SQLite file cannot be created, because the parent directory does not exist. Bonus points for Open(…) being successful and only executing the first command giving me that error. Meh.

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In-reply-to » @prologic I’m sure you can somehow install something that calculates blake2b on OpenBSD. But it’s not part of the base system as a standalone CLI tool, there only appear to be Perl modules for it. The other SHA tools do exist.

@xuu@txt.sour.is Yes, of course. This has been blown out of proportion anyway. All I originally wanted to say is that the b2sum program isn’t very widely available.

It would help to know how many different clients there actually are. I suspect that number is very close to 3.

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In-reply-to » @bender Over here, people can put red ribbons on their fruit trees to signal that they are free to use for everyone. That's an effort to minimize the giant food waste. Meadow orchard owners who do not have the time or energy anymore to harvest themselves (I reckon a lot of them are of age nowadays), can ensure that the tasty things do not simply rot away. Also, the town hangs those ribbons on trees on municipal properties.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org forgot to add that this:

people can put red ribbons on their fruit trees to signal that they are free to use for everyone.

Is mighty awesome, and gives a sense of small community. That’s why I asked how big, or small, your town was. 😊

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