@prologic@twtxt.net why sorry? For all we know @movq@www.uninformativ.de won the lottery, and is retiring in Tasmania. :-P

These collisions aren’t important unless someone tries to fork. So.. for the vast majority its not a big deal. Using the grow hash algorithm could inform the client to add another char when they fork.

With so many messenger apps, why would anyone use Telegram? 🤯

@prologic@twtxt.net it is funny. What do you think of it? True, or false?

Hmm:

42 75 69 6C 64 20 77 68 61 74 20 6D 61 6B 65 73 20 79 6F 75 20 68 61 70 70 79 2E 20 4C 65 74 20 6D 69 73 65 72 61 62 6C 65 20 70 65 6F 70 6C 65 20 62 75 69 6C 64 20 74 68 65 20 72 65 73 74 2E

@off_grid_living@twtxt.net I gave it a try, unfortunately it’s a scanned document (just a bundle of Images), the only real text in there, is the first two pages.

Aelaraji the Ubuntu Software can’t find this . Also why can’t TWTXT upload files to this forum? I could let you guys convert the file for me.

Here is the pdf file located on the Internet

https://endtimepublishing.com.au/images/bookspdf/Daniel_Workbook.pdf

Thanks aelaraji I will give this a go

nós a ligar as @tiasmalham com os miúdos à beira e começam logo a falar de caralhetes

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org oh, fancy!

sim boa tarde, tudo bem, olhe eu hoje não posso ir trabalhar, não vai dar, estou a ser alvo de um ciberataque de grande escala

(se funciona pra eles, funciona pra mim)

@prologic@twtxt.net how about following the same scheme as Yarn? I mean, I can match colours for visited/non-visited links that work nice, and provide, if that what you would like. What base colour would you like?

@prologic@twtxt.net the links are still problematically coloured, at least on dark mode. See screenshot below.

Idk about other pubnixes but i can freely edit caddy config (or change webserver and use other config format)

@prologic@twtxt.net I got tricked tow times in row 🥲

@fastidious@tilde.town Wait! I do know you! 😅

@fastidious@tilde.town Yeah, I gave it a try, now I’ll just wait. BTW, Your Nick rings a bell! I probably do remember it from reading old twts 👋 Happy getting to you here!

@prologic@twtxt.net I think printf is a more portable option than echo -e for interpreting \t as tab. E.g. printf ‘%s\t%s\t%s’ “$url” “$time” “$text”. In general I always prefer printf over echo for anything non-trivial in unix shell scripts. See last paragraph of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echo_(command)#History

NGL tilde town’s registration process was quite fun! reminded me of the good old text based adventure game.

@bender@twtxt.net Yes! tilde.town is next on my list if I don’t get a response in… too long.

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com I figure it will be the same as those on a tilde server, right? Try https://tilde.town/ !

Been curious about how people on Pubnix instances do manage their feed, if they have access to log? Sent in a req to join one still no res.

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com LOL. You got me! :-D

@bender@twtxt.net I can always edit my twt and correct my Oopsie xD Would that make him happier?

@falsifian@www.falsifian.org You are correct, but I ended up switching to /data/data/com.termux/files/usr/tmp as suggested by @doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt in (#66py4ja). there must have been a reason why that file was placed in /tmp/ in the first place, I just don’t know my way around python that much to figure it out 😅.

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com yeah, but he is shacking his finger at you for your use of markdown, and emoji. :-)

You proud daddy!? My twt is exactly 140 characters! 😂😂😂

Apparently Drama is tech entities’ new Going Viral PR stunt. After the Wordpress vs. WPE mayhem, Godot starts it’s own, Who/what’s next?

PHP uses \t as well for TABs.

@sorenpeter@darch.dk oh, I thought we were settled on TABs for a while now, weren’t we? 🤔 The new website mentions TABs too. The command echo -e (on any shell?) will use \t for them.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org what are you building now? The things you are mentioning I couldn’t even start wrapping my head around them! 😅 They sure sound expensive, tough.

Thanks @david@collantes.us, good to know, but we need to agree on what character we use, otherwise the hashes will not be the same:)

@sorenpeter@darch.dk a TAB is simply \t. Just add it to that echo line, and that’s it.

@prologic@twtxt.net from IRC:

“Hashes will increase then, and will use SHA256 instead? That is the end result of weeks long discussions, correct?”

@mckinley@twtxt.net they are fighting to make more money. Seeing it any other way is rather naïve.

Context for those who don’t know: Epic Games is the company behind the hugely popular video game Fortnite. As far as I know, the core game is still free-to-play and supported by microtransactions. It’s available on Windows, consoles, and mobile platforms. They sued Apple a few years ago because they felt the 30% cut Apple takes for in-app purchases was unreasonable and that they should be allowed to distribute their software independently of the App Store. It didn’t turn out so well for them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_Games_v._Apple

@slashdot@feeds.twtxt.net They must have spent such an ungodly amount in legal fees by now that I wonder if they’ll come out of this in the green if they get to keep all the money from in-app purchases. Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad they’re doing it, but I think there’s a reason why Epic Games is the only one fighting for app store neutrality.

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com You could just remove the {getuser()} part because you added ~.

Understand, ok seems i should leave gemini untouched

@prologic@twtxt.net yup, it was muted. I didn’t do it purposely, though. I truly don’t know how that happened. That beget the question, shouldn’t that be disallowed? That is, muting ourselves should not be possible. That same for following/blocking ourselves (if that breaks functionality).

Had a great time at the Duisburg zoo yesterday including the amazing dolphin show

Got my flu shot today!

I mean thread command but bash escapes quoted as command…

Ok, i know how to command working (not sure), but seems it only grab from cache. Maybe make fetch from twtxt.net if hash not found?

@prologic@twtxt.net Regarding the new way of generating twt-hashes, to me it makes more sense to use tabs as separator instead of spaces, since the you can just copy/past a line directly from a twtxt-file that already go a tab between timestamp and message. But tabs might be hard to “type” when you are in a terminal, since it will activate autocomplete…🤔

Another thing, it seems that you sugget we only use the domain in the hash-creation and not the full path to the twtxt.txt

$ echo -e "https://example.com 2024-09-29T13:30:00Z Hello World!" | sha256sum - | awk '{ print $1 }' | base64 | head -c 12

should i delete gemini support from twet? iirc in twtxt v2 it starts prohibited. And all of my fields are https

+1 👆

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt me too! 🤭 (kidding, kidding!)

@off_grid_living@twtxt.net is it locked because of a DRM thing or something else?

Otherwise you can check if you already have the pdftotext command that comes with the poppler-utils package, try converting converting the pdf into a text file and copy to your heart’s content. I have just tried it myself.

If you don’t have it already here’s what you can do on Ubuntu or any Debian based distribution of Linux:

• Update and upgrade your packages:
  > sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
  
• Install the poppler-utils package
  > sudo apt install poppler-utils
  
• Now you can convert your pdf to txt file with:
  > pdftotxt -layout -enc UTF-8 name_of_source_file.pdf name_of_destination_file.txt
  

You can always do a pdftotxt --help to see the rest of possible options.
Hope this helps.

No, im just crazy (joke)

@off_grid_living@twtxt.net mind sharing the PDF, to take a look? Some PDF containing text as images, which makes it more difficult to complete the task you want to perform.

Gentlemen, I have a pdf file (1.5MB) which I want to be able to block and copy text writing out of it, but it’s locked, preventing this. All I used to do was write it out by hand, or screen shot the text as an image.
Is there any software that opens pdf format for copying and pasting of the text?

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt am I understanding correctly that you do not have a desktop/laptop computer, but a pocket Android based one?

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt that was a quick and dirty thing I wanted to try 😄 but of course, you can point it wherever you believe it should.

Lol, good but why why not /data/data/com.termux/files/usr/tmp?

I believe I’d missed an f:

~/src/jenny $ git diff
diff --git a/jenny b/jenny
index ada8da2..8ae9a06 100755
--- a/jenny
+++ b/jenny
@@ -1194,7 +1194,7 @@ if __name__ == '__main__':
     if args.edit:
	edit_twt_file(app)
     elif args.fetch:
-        with DirectoryLock(f'/tmp/jenny-{getuser()}.run'):
+        with DirectoryLock(expanduser(f'~/tmp/jenny-{getuser()}.run')):
             retrieve_all(app)
     elif args.last_seen:
	 print('Feeds last seen at (times are local time), oldest first:')

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt I’ve just given it a try on android/termux and got it to work, I can’t promise it won’t break something else (because i definitely don’t know what I’m doing) but here’s what I broke 😅:

~/src/jenny $ git diff
diff --git a/jenny b/jenny
index ada8da2..8ae9a06 100755
--- a/jenny
+++ b/jenny
@@ -1194,7 +1194,7 @@ if __name__ == '__main__':
     if args.edit:
	edit_twt_file(app)
     elif args.fetch:
-        with DirectoryLock(f'/tmp/jenny-{getuser()}.run'):
+        with DirectoryLock(expanduser('~/tmp/jenny-{getuser()}.run')):
             retrieve_all(app)
     elif args.last_seen:
	 print('Feeds last seen at (times are local time), oldest first:')

and of course make sure you mkdir ~/tmp

Rightfully so, @xuu@txt.sour.is pod has it on cache: https://txt.sour.is/twt/v6eemvq. This pod (twtxt.net), knows nothing about it, so it seems.

I don’t see it on the client (Yarn), but as you can see it is on the raw feed. 🧐

@prologic@twtxt.net I wonder where did this one went to:

2024-09-29T12:08:15Z	 @<lyse https://lyse.isobeef.org/twtxt.txt> love 27! Is that your town as seeing from the mountain, or some other town? From 395 to 40 is quite some picking! I figure that’s the most difficult part, right?

Ah, 16°C… what dreams are made of! 😍

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org love 27! Is that your town as seeing from the mountain, or some other town? From 395 to 40 is quite some picking! I figure that’s the most difficult part, right?

Ah, 16°C… what dreams are made of! 😍

It has twts cache which used if timeline is set to jew. Maybe i.should fork twet to make wishes like newlines (i see two squares), showing conversations, showing twts if not found in cache and parsing medata to configure url, nick and followers (currenly it duplicated in config and twtxt file)

Only with dovecot xD. For mail im use android native mail client and not mutt. And jenny display some errors with found some files and /tmp dir (android dont have /tmp)

twet display twts in raw format with some formatting (sadly no newlines). And for reply messages i just seen (#hash). But which text hidden on hash? currenly im open twtxt.net/twt/hash to see this

Yes, im also do not like Hugo so rewrite theme above to Jekyll (with some changes)

https://git.dc09.ru/DarkCat09/dc09-hugo

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt see jenny.

@doesnm@doesnm.p.psf.lt I am not sure I am understanding what you mean. Can you explain?

How to read twts without browser? I dont understand context in reply messages

I shall be there (here?). LOL.

Lol, im just join for several minutes. Wait, Merkle Trees in twtxt?

Very nice setup, @prologic@twtxt.net! I envy that display! 😍

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com come! @movq@www.uninformativ.de come! @xuu come! @abucci@anthony.buc.ci come!

The lottery is open for everyone, and the pool is small, so chances are you will (might?) be the winner. Come check, and see if you are the winner!

Come join us!

Happening now: https://meet.mills.io/call/Yarn.social

@prologic@twtxt.net YES James, it should be up to the client to deal with changes like edits and deletions. And putting this load on the clients, location-addressing with make this a lot easier since what is says it: Look in this file at this timestamp, did anything change or went missing? (And then threading will not break;)

People stranded on the roof of a hospital in Tennessee after hurricane Helene

Wild flooding in Ashville, NC due to Hurricane Helene

Diving into mblaze, I think I’ve nearly* reached peek email geek.

Just a bunch of shell commands I can pipe together to search, list, view and reply to email (after syncing it to a local Maildir).

EXAMPLES at https://git.vuxu.org/mblaze/tree/README

So far I’m using most of the tools directly from the command line, but I might take inspiration from https://sr.ht/~rakoo/omail/ to make my workflow a bit more efficient.

*To get any closer, I think I’d have to hand-craft my own SMTP client or something.

@bender@twtxt.net It’s the experience of an ordinary person in a strange place where memories are disappearing with the help of the Memory Police. The setting feels contemporary (to the book’s 1994 publication date) rather than futuristic, except for some unexplained stuff about memories.

@prologic@twtxt.net what if I copy your uuid, and use it on my feed? What happens then? Also, was the dot after the timestamp intended?

@prologic@twtxt.net

See https://dev.twtxt.net

Yes, that is exactly what I meant. I like that collection and “twtxt v2” feels like a departure.

Maybe there’s an advantage to grouping it into one spec, but IMO that shouldn’t be done at the same time as introducing new untested ideas.

See https://yarn.social (especially this section: https://yarn.social/#self-host) – It really doesn’t get much simpler than this 🤣

Again, I like this existing simplicity. (I would even argue you don’t need the metadata.)

That page says “For the best experience your client should also support some of the Twtxt Extensions…” but it is clear you don’t need to. I would like it to stay that way, and publishing a big long spec and calling it “twtxt v2” feels like a departure from that. (I think the content of the document is valuable; I’m just carping about how it’s being presented.)

@falsifian@www.falsifian.org “The Memory Police” sounds like an interesting title. What is it about, if you don’t mind? Even a brief sentence would suffice. Thanks!

Recent #fiction #scifi #reading:

• The Memory Police by Yōko Ogawa. Lovely writing. Very understated; reminded me of Kazuo Ishiguro. Sort of like Nineteen Eighty-Four but not. (I first heard it recommended in comparison to that work.)

• Subcutanean by Aaron Reed; https://subcutanean.textories.com/ . Every copy of the book is different, which is a cool idea. I read two of them (one from the library, actually not different from the other printed copies, and one personalized e-book). I don’t read much horror so managed to be a little creeped out by it, which was fun.

• The Wind from Nowhere, a 1962 novel by J. G. Ballard. A random pick from the sci-fi section; I think I picked it up because it made me imagine some weird 4-dimensional effect (“from nowhere” meaning not in a normal direction) but actually (spoiler) it was just about a lot of wind for no reason. The book was moderately entertaining but there was nothing special about it.

Currently reading Scale by Greg Egan and Inversion by Aric McBay.

More thoughts about changes to twtxt (as if we haven’t had enough thoughts):

1. There are lots of great ideas here! Is there a benefit to putting them all into one document? Seems to me this could more easily be a bunch of separate efforts that can progress at their own pace:
   

1a. Better and longer hashes.

1b. New possibly-controversial ideas like edit: and delete: and location-based references as an alternative to hashes.

1c. Best practices, e.g. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

1d. Stuff already described at dev.twtxt.net that doesn’t need any changes.

1. We won’t know what will and won’t work until we try them. So I’m inclined to think of this as a bunch of draft ideas. Maybe later when we’ve seen it play out it could make sense to define a group of recommended twtxt extensions and give them a name.

2. Another reason for 1 (above) is: I like the current situation where all you need to get started is these two short and simple documents:
   https://twtxt.readthedocs.io/en/latest/user/twtxtfile.html
   https://twtxt.readthedocs.io/en/latest/user/discoverability.html
   and everything else is an extension for anyone interested. (Deprecating non-UTC times seems reasonable to me, though.) Having a big long “twtxt v2” document seems less inviting to people looking for something simple. (@prologic@twtxt.net you mentioned an anonymous comment “you’ve ruined twtxt” and while I don’t completely agree with that commenter’s sentiment, I would feel like twtxt had lost something if it moved away from having a super-simple core.)

3. All that being said, these are just my opinions, and I’m not doing the work of writing software or drafting proposals. Maybe I will at some point, but until then, if you’re actually implementing things, you’re in charge of what you decide to make, and I’m grateful for the work.

@prologic@twtxt.net it was discovered because aelaraji engaged with it. I don’t think you will see a reply. 😩

@prologic@twtxt.net Done. Also, I went ahead and made two changes: changed hexadecimal to base64 for hashes (wasn’t sure if anyone objected), and changed “MUST follow the chain” to “SHOULD follow the chain.

@prologic@twtxt.net Thanks for pointing out it lasts four hours. That’s a big window! I wonder when most people will be on. I might aim for halfway through unless I hear otherwise. (12:00Z is a bit early for me.)

Definitely NOT editing that Oupsie… + It looks all the same in terminal, so I can live with it.🤣

@prologic@twtxt.net do you think that, I don’t know, but maybe(?), Gopher/Gemini feeds might lack, pffff, I don’t know, any mechanisms for discovery…. and caching?!?! 🤣

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com LOL. For lyse’s sake (and everybody else’s), let’s not! 😂😂😂

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org I am jesting. Ain’t nobody got time for that!

@bender@twtxt.net So…

(#sbmynna) @xuu wrote:

”@bender I am also in camp no edit signals. deletes only breaks the head of a thread. all the replies are unaffected.”

I figure I could also answer every single twtxt like this, so that if the original gets edited, or deleted, at least I don’t sound foolish without knowing exactly what I replied to. 🤭

It Sounds like a good idea! should that be limited to just direct replays or can it be extended to replays to other replays, that way and With just the right amount of chain-replays, we’ll be RRrrrrrevolutionizing the way people Mailing Lists like, in no time! xD

P.S: Just a reminder! I’ve already told you not to mind my twts for the next couple of hours, right!

@bender@twtxt.net HAHA I’ve just bookmarked that Repo to go through it tomorrow 👌

@xuu wrote:

”@bender I am also in camp no edit signals. deletes only breaks the head of a thread. all the replies are unaffected.”

I figure I could also answer every single twtxt like this, so that if the original gets edited, or deleted, at least I don’t sound foolish without knowing exactly what I replied to. 🤭

@aelaraji@aelaraji.com LOL, now that’s rich! Hahahaha!

@xuu what do we want then? Just up the hash size to avoid collisions? I figure that’s easy. It’s going to be a short call tomorrow then. 😂🥳

@bender@twtxt.net I am also in camp no edit signals. deletes only breaks the head of a thread. all the replies are unaffected.

See!? Even Meta/Facebook uses plain text, not just Twtxt! 🤣

Meta fined $102 million for storing passwords in plain text